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That Carter Idiot

Mike

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Hamas' Useful Idiot
Human Events ^ | 04/15/2008 | Robert Maginnis

When former president Jimmy Carter meets with terrorist Hamas leader Khaled Mashall this Friday in Damascus he will apparently violate two federal laws. His eager defiance of the law threatens Americans at home and our troops abroad.

Muhammad Nazzal, an Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) terror group official in Syria, told the Associated Press that Carter had sent an envoy to Damascus requesting a meeting with their exiled leader Mashaal. Hamas “Welcomed the request.”

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said of Carter’s meeting, “US government policy is that Hamas is a terrorist organization and we don't believe it is in the interest of our policy or in the interest of peace to have such a meeting." Assistant secretary of state David Welch spoke with the 82-year-old Carter before his trip and asked him not to meet any representative of Hamas.

Carter’s meeting will violate the Logan Act (18 U.S.C. § 953) which makes it a felony for any American, “…without authority of the United States,” to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any “…disputes or controversies with the United States.” A citizen found guilty of this law could be imprisoned for up to three years. Carter’s specific intention is “to provide momentum for current efforts to secure peace in the Middle East.”

The Logan Act dates back to the French revolution. In 1797, President John Adams sent envoys to Paris to settle differences with the French arising from our failure to support their revolution. When the envoys returned empty-handed, Dr. George Logan, a physician and Philadelphia Republican, attempted to resolve the crisis on his own.

Logan, who carried a private certificate from then vice president Thomas Jefferson, succeeded. Logan’s freelancing effort, however, irritated President Adams who recommended that Congress take action to stop the “…temerity and impertinence of individuals affecting to interfere in public affairs between France and the United States.” In 1799, Congress passed the law which remains in effect to this day.

Carter’s proposed meeting will also violate part of the USA Patriot Act of 2001 which prohibits any US citizen from knowingly providing “…material support or resources” to a foreign terrorist organization (18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)). The phrase “material support or resources” includes “expert advice” which is what former presidents provide. A citizen found guilty of violating this law could be imprisoned for life.

The State Department has legally defined Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization based on three criteria: it is a foreign organization, it engages in terrorist activity, and it threatens the security of US nationals or the national security of the US.

Hamas was founded in 1987 during the first violent Palestinian insurrection (intifada) against Israel. Since January 2007, Hamas has governed the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and has activities in Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria.

Hamas has claimed responsibility for suicide bombings inside Israel and routinely fires rockets at Israeli settlements. Its leaders are committed to terrorism and say they intend to continue their attacks until Israel is eradicated.

In February, on al-Aqsa television, Hamas parliamentarian Fathi Hammad, declared that, “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine."

Israel is not the only nation threatened by Hamas. Before his assassination in 2004, Hamas chief Abdel al-Aziz Rantisi took part in a Gaza rally in support of the Iraqi insurgency. Amid chants of “Death to America” and the burning of American flags, Rantisi called on Iraqis to “Strike and Burn” US troops and “Teach them the lessons of suicide actions.”

In August 2004, Hamas’ current leader Mashaal signed a statement calling on all Muslims to join with radical Iraqi cleric Muqtada al-Sadr in his fight against American forces in Iraq. Later, al-Sadr vowed to serve as the “striking arm” for Hamas in Iraq.

Hamas also serves Iranian interests in Israel. It receives weapons and money from Tehran and The London Times reports that Hamas has been sending its forces to Tehran to train with Iran’s Qods (Jerusalem) Force and Lebanon’s Hezbollah for more than two years. Both Qods and Hezbollah have American blood on their hands.

Hamas is also a threat to our homeland. Rantisi wrote a 2003 article stating that attacking America was not only “…a moral and national duty -- but above all, a religious one.” FBI director Robert Mueller said, "Although it would be a major strategic shift for Hamas, its United States network is theoretically capable of facilitating acts of terrorism in the United States."

That shift may be underway. In August 2004, a Hamas money-man, Ismail Selim Elbarasse, was arrested for videotaping cables and other features "…integral to the structural integrity” of Maryland’s Bay Bridge. The incident was treated as a Hamas reconnaissance of the bridge and “…as a potential link between Hamas and al Qaeda.” Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), who pleaded with Carter not to meet with Mashaal, believes Hamas is responsible for the murders of at least 26 Americans.

Carter’s plan to showcase his opposition to the government makes him just one among a number of prominent Democrats who have violated the law by meeting with our avowed enemies.

Last year, house speaker Nancy Pelosi traveled to Damascus “…to communicate on foreign-policy issues” with Syrian president Bashar Assad. She claimed her trip sought a “…road to peace” but her stature and the fact that Syria was enabling Iraqi insurgents against American forces sent mixed messages.

In 1972, actress Jane Fonda toured North Vietnam where she participated in a staged press conference accompanied by captured American servicemen to “prove” that the POWs weren’t being mistreated. It’s noteworthy that Fonda has endorsed Senator Barack Obama, who promises as president to “…meet separately, without precondition” with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

In 1984, civil rights leader Jesse Jackson traveled to Cuba and Nicaragua and returned home with Cuban political prisoners seeking asylum. Then Jackson met with Hamas’ Mashaal in Syria in 2006. Jackson, too, has endorsed Obama.

None of these transgressors have been taken to task for their behavior. The responsibility for the nation’s foreign policy is constitutionally vested with the president. Jimmy Carter had his chance in the 1970s and made a mess of it. We should not allow him to speak for us now and should never elect a presidential candidate who pledges to meet with terrorist regimes “without precondition.”

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Maginnis is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, a national security and foreign affairs analyst for radio and television and a senior strategist with the U.S. Army.

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Mike

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A group of more than 50 congressmen from both sides of the aisle have sent a letter beseeching former president Jimmy Carter not to meet with Khaled Meshal, the head of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.

The letter, sponsored by Reps. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Shelley Berkeley, D-Nev., and signed by congressional leaders including House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, and veteran representative Barney Frank, D-Mass., lists the 26 Americans who have been killed in terrorist attacks launched by Hamas.

"President Carter, do not meet with the man who ordered their deaths," wrote the congressmen.

Carter reportedly hugged — and kissed — a Hamas leader Tuesday in the West Bank town of Ramallah on a Mideast visit that is to culminate in a meeting Friday with the group's exiled leader in Damascus, Syria.

Carter's embrace of Nasser Shaer, a senior Hamas politician, at a closed-door reception organized by Carter's office was reported by several news outlets Tuesday. Carter has been widely criticized over the trip by both U.S. and Israeli officials, who have listed Hamas as a terror organization.

Carter also laid a wreath at the grave of Yasser Arafat, whom he praised as a man who fought for "just causes" in the world. The Bush administration and many Israelis blame Arafat for the breakdown of peace talks seven years ago and the violence that followed.

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"Carter has weight and respect, and I hope he'll have a role and effect on the Palestinian problem," Shaer said, according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

The AP said Carter's office refused to comment, saying he does not discuss closed meetings.

Shaer, who served as deputy prime minister and education minister in the Hamas-led Palestinian government that unraveled last year, is considered a leading member of the Islamic militant group's pragmatic wing. After a stint in an Israeli prison last year, he is now a professor at a West Bank university, teaching comparative religion.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Carter's meeting with Hamas "dignified" a group committed to Israel's destruction. "One cannot but wonder how this attitude is supposed to promote peace and understanding," he said.

Israel and the West Bank are the first stops on a visit that also is to include Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Syria — where the virulently anti-Israel Hamas movement is headquartered. Shunned by his Israeli hosts and criticized by the White House for his willingness to meet with Hamas, Carter has urged that both stop isolating the militant group.

"Since Syria and Hamas will have to be involved in a final peace agreement, they have to be involved in discussions that lead to final peace," Carter said Tuesday.

The U.S. has also expressed displeasure at Carter's overtures to Hamas, an Islamic group responsible for the deaths of some 250 Israelis in suicide bombings and labeled a terrorist organization by both countries.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is not meeting with Carter during his visit, and the only Israeli leader to host him, President Shimon Peres, scolded Carter for his planned meeting with Mashaal.

Critics say also say engaging Hamas will undermine moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as he tries to make peace with the Jewish state. Abbas is in a bitter rivalry with Hamas, which routed his forces in the Gaza Strip last year and seized control of the area.

The Israeli daily Haaretz on Tuesday criticized the government for giving Carter, a Nobel laureate who brokered Israel's first peace agreement with an Arab nation, a cool reception.

"The boycott will not be remembered as a glorious moment in this government's history," the newspaper said. "Jimmy Carter has dedicated his life to humanitarian missions, to peace, to promoting democratic elections and to better understanding between enemies throughout the world."

Earlier this week, Carter said isolating Hamas is counterproductive and volunteered to serve as a conduit between the group and the U.S. and Israeli governments.

Carter acknowledged Tuesday he was not on an official mission and had "no authority at all."

"I'm not a negotiator. I'm just trying to understand different opinions and provide communication between people," Carter said.

When meeting Meshal, Carter said, "I'm going to try everything I can to get him to agree to a peaceful resolution," both with Israel and with Hamas' internal Palestinian rivals.

Carter said he requested permission to enter Hamas-ruled Gaza but was turned down. He did not provide details. Israel and Egypt control Gaza's border crossings and such a visit would also require the approval of Carter's U.S. Secret Service detail. There have been no official visits to Gaza by Americans since Hamas won Palestinian parliamentary elections in early 2006.

President Bush did not visit Arafat's mausoleum in Ramallah when he visited earlier this year.

Carter's office also said a request for security protection from Israel's Shin Bet agency had not been met.

The Shin Bet said it never received a request to provide security. Stewart Tuttle, spokesman for the U.S. Embassy, said the embassy never relayed a request for Shin Bet protection because Carter was on a private visit.

A statement from the Carter delegation said the former president's U.S. security detail "was always, without exception, assisted" by the Shin Bet in previous visits after he left office. However, the statement did not directly blame Israel.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

Sandhusker

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I respect Jimmy for his work with Habitat for Humanity, but if you go into a den of snakes, you need to go in shooting, not hugging and kissing.
 
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Sandhusker said:
I respect Jimmy for his work with Habitat for Humanity, but if you go into a den of snakes, you need to go in shooting, not hugging and kissing.

How come none of you was screaming or complaining when George of Arabia was mankissing the King of Saudi Arabia- which just happened to be the homeland for many of the 9/11 terrorists (including Osama Bin Laden) and one of the countries that has probably put more funding into Al Quaeda than any other..... :???: :(

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I'll bet Senator Craig was wishing GW would have taken him on this trip :wink: :lol:
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
I respect Jimmy for his work with Habitat for Humanity, but if you go into a den of snakes, you need to go in shooting, not hugging and kissing.

How come none of you was screaming or complaining when George of Arabia was mankissing the King of Saudi Arabia- which just happened to be the homeland for many of the 9/11 terrorists (including Osama Bin Laden) and one of the countries that has probably put more funding into Al Quaeda than any other..... :???: :(

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I'll bet Senator Craig was wishing GW would have taken him on this trip :wink: :lol:

Come on OT do not be an idiot like the Liberal media. Like it or not Saudi Arabia is an allie of ours, and the 911 terrorist probably hated one country and its leaders more than America and that was the Saudi family.

Bin Laden is a proclaimed enemy of the Saudis those that attacked us from Saudi were doing so in rebellion against their home land and its leaders not in support of it.

Now yes I do not trust them no more than you do, but official policy and not only Bush's but Clinton's and other Presidents is that we are friendly with the Saudis. Hamas is an enemy of the U.S. they are a terrorist group.

You are loosing credibility when you say stuff even though you know the truth.
 
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A+--So now some Muslims are good Muslims-EH ? Wasn't it just a thread or two or so all the neocons on here were saying they were all bad and a threat to us all and even talking genocide.... :???:

Or is it because Saudi Arabia has money- and oil :???: This Bush/Cheney/big oil administration has kissed more than the lips of the oil rich Saudi Muslims...
 

hopalong

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I wonder how many posts Oldtimer has used the word neocon in?? Seems as that is now his favorite word of the day!
Kind of like a broken record that keeps sticking on the same phrase all the time. neocon this, neocon that, neocon neocon neocon!
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Must be a word he learned while attending all these CIA/FBI joint chief of staff meetings that were so top secret that no one knows about them except Oldtimer hiself :D :D :D
 
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hoppy- your just flaming cause you aren't elitist enough to get to swap spit with and give GW any tongue..... :wink: :lol: :p
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
A+--So now some Muslims are good Muslims-EH ? Wasn't it just a thread or two or so all the neocons on here were saying they were all bad and a threat to us all and even talking genocide.... :???:

Or is it because Saudi Arabia has money- and oil :???: This Bush/Cheney/big oil administration has kissed more than the lips of the oil rich Saudi Muslims...

As for how many Muslims are good Muslims, guess that would depend on how many of them are disobeying their beliefs and which side of the debate you are on. To a Muslim a good Muslim supports the killings of innocent people they support terrorist. To an American that is not a Muslim a good Muslim is someone who disobeys the teachings of the Koran and leads a peaceful life.

The American Government can not be unfriendly with a Country just because of the National religion. The point is not all Muslim countries are threatening the U.S. and as long as they leave us alone and serve no threat to us and chose to be friendly then we must be friendly back to them.

And yes Iraq was a threat to us, and had threatened us. Saudi as a country was not a threat to us, there leaders were not threatening us.

If Bin Laden was in the room with one bullet in a gun and Bush was there and the King of Saudi was there he would probably shoot the king of Saudi and spare Bush life. Al Qaeda hates the Saudi government as much or more as the U.S.
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
hoppy- your just flaming cause you aren't elitist enough to get to swap spit with and give GW any tongue..... :wink: :lol: :p

At least I am not trying to slip Hillery some tounge!!!! :roll: Carry on with your Bush bashing!!!
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
To a Muslim a good Muslim supports the killings of innocent people they support terrorist. WRONG


To an American that is not a Muslim a good Muslim is someone who disobeys the teachings of the Koran and leads a peaceful life. WRONG AGAIN...You love to spout Bible verses...why not read another Holy book and see EXACTLY what it says before you start talking....try reading the Quran! You won't go to hell for reading it, it's located in your local library..... :shock: :shock: Yeah!!


The American Government can not be unfriendly with a Country just because of the National religion. The point is not all Muslim countries are threatening the U.S. and as long as they leave us alone and serve no threat to us and chose to be friendly then we must be friendly back to them. Well..you should have vcalled GW on the hotline and told him this about 5 yrs ago


And yes Iraq was a threat to us, and had threatened us. HOW?????.. and using that oldie but goodies PROVE IT

Saudi as a country was not a threat to us, there leaders were not threatening us. Oil embargos of the past is not a threat and letting oil ride to $115/ barrel is not a threat to us?


If Bin Laden was in the room with one bullet in a gun and Bush was there and the King of Saudi was there he would probably shoot the king of Saudi and spare Bush life. Al Qaeda hates the Saudi government as much or more as the U.S You are so simplisitc here and NO working knowledge of the Arab mindset. He'd line them up one in front of the other and shoot'em both with one bullet. BinLaden is smart and this is why he's still sitting out there living life while our kids die and he lets us consume ourselves, he won't have to lift a finger .
 
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hopalong said:
Oldtimer said:
hoppy- your just flaming cause you aren't elitist enough to get to swap spit with and give GW any tongue..... :wink: :lol: :p

At least I am not trying to slip Hillery some tounge!!!! :roll:

Thats good- since that would be considered necrophilia- and is illegal in most states....
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
To a Muslim a good Muslim supports the killings of innocent people they support terrorist. WRONG


To an American that is not a Muslim a good Muslim is someone who disobeys the teachings of the Koran and leads a peaceful life. WRONG AGAIN...You love to spout Bible verses...why not read another Holy book and see EXACTLY what it says before you start talking....try reading the Quran! You won't go to hell for reading it, it's located in your local library..... :shock: :shock: Yeah!!


The American Government can not be unfriendly with a Country just because of the National religion. The point is not all Muslim countries are threatening the U.S. and as long as they leave us alone and serve no threat to us and chose to be friendly then we must be friendly back to them. Well..you should have vcalled GW on the hotline and told him this about 5 yrs ago


And yes Iraq was a threat to us, and had threatened us. HOW?????.. and using that oldie but goodies PROVE IT

Saudi as a country was not a threat to us, there leaders were not threatening us. Oil embargos of the past is not a threat and letting oil ride to $115/ barrel is not a threat to us?


If Bin Laden was in the room with one bullet in a gun and Bush was there and the King of Saudi was there he would probably shoot the king of Saudi and spare Bush life. Al Qaeda hates the Saudi government as much or more as the U.S You are so simplisitc here and NO working knowledge of the Arab mindset. He'd line them up one in front of the other and shoot'em both with one bullet. BinLaden is smart and this is why he's still sitting out there living life while our kids die and he lets us consume ourselves, he won't have to lift a finger .


I have posted before on past threads scriptures that support what I have said about the Muslim faith. And yes they were scriptures from the Quran. But I will look them back up for you as soon as I have time.

Got a busy day today so I will get them for you later tonight or tomorrow along with reply to your other thoughts. But if you get antsy and want to do some research yourself you can search for them.
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
To a Muslim a good Muslim supports the killings of innocent people they support terrorist. WRONG


To an American that is not a Muslim a good Muslim is someone who disobeys the teachings of the Koran and leads a peaceful life. WRONG AGAIN...You love to spout Bible verses...why not read another Holy book and see EXACTLY what it says before you start talking....try reading the Quran! You won't go to hell for reading it, it's located in your local library..... :shock: :shock: Yeah!!


The American Government can not be unfriendly with a Country just because of the National religion. The point is not all Muslim countries are threatening the U.S. and as long as they leave us alone and serve no threat to us and chose to be friendly then we must be friendly back to them. Well..you should have vcalled GW on the hotline and told him this about 5 yrs ago


And yes Iraq was a threat to us, and had threatened us. HOW?????.. and using that oldie but goodies PROVE IT

Saudi as a country was not a threat to us, there leaders were not threatening us. Oil embargos of the past is not a threat and letting oil ride to $115/ barrel is not a threat to us?


If Bin Laden was in the room with one bullet in a gun and Bush was there and the King of Saudi was there he would probably shoot the king of Saudi and spare Bush life. Al Qaeda hates the Saudi government as much or more as the U.S You are so simplisitc here and NO working knowledge of the Arab mindset. He'd line them up one in front of the other and shoot'em both with one bullet. BinLaden is smart and this is why he's still sitting out there living life while our kids die and he lets us consume ourselves, he won't have to lift a finger .


I have posted before on past threads scriptures that support what I have said about the Muslim faith. And yes they were scriptures from the Quran. But I will look them back up for you as soon as I have time.

Got a busy day today so I will get them for you later tonight or tomorrow along with reply to your other thoughts. But if you get antsy and want to do some research yourself you can search for them.



Hmmmm ...I see!!!!! Must've stumped you.

Oh....we both know I got this one right...so don't stress yourself with a hurried reply. :roll: :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:

I have posted before on past threads scriptures that support what I have said about the Muslim faith. And yes they were scriptures from the Quran. But I will look them back up for you as soon as I have time.

Got a busy day today so I will get them for you later tonight or tomorrow along with reply to your other thoughts. But if you get antsy and want to do some research yourself you can search for them.


Hmmmm ...I see!!!!! Must've stumped you.

Oh....we both know I got this one right...so don't stress yourself with a hurried reply. :roll: :roll:


9:73

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." (Dawood)




Here is a scripture aimed at Christians who believe in Jesus

Sura 3:151 -

" We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers." (Pickthall)


Nonbelievers do have the option to mend there ways or become Muslims to avoid being killed, Bin Laden has overed this before in his Video's and speeches to Americans, I believe the President of Iran also offered this to Bush in his letter to him in past.

Sura 2:191:

"Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed. But do not fight them within the precincts of the Holy Mosque unless they attack you there; if they attack you put them to the sword. thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they mend their ways (become Muslims), know that God is forgiving and merciful." (Dawood)


More fighting of us evildoers and causing terror

Sura 2:193:

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." (Pickthall)

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


What the Koran teaches about non Muslims.

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.


9.123

They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

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Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."


Sura 5:72 (shows who some of them unveliever are, those who believe in Jesus)

"They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers." (Pickthall)


Maybe you will get lucky and not be killed and just have to pay a tax to the Muslims.

Sura 9:29

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. "


There is 3 types of Muslims secular Muslims who don't read Koran, moderate Muslims who try to reconcile Koran with Western values, and the fundamentalists who read Koran literally. We have to be concerned that one day those two that do not read it or are hypocrites do not decide to read it and apply what it says.
 

aplusmnt

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Kolan to highlight just one scripture for you that pretty well sums all the above ones up.

We can call it the Koran scripture of the day :wink:


8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:

I have posted before on past threads scriptures that support what I have said about the Muslim faith. And yes they were scriptures from the Quran. But I will look them back up for you as soon as I have time.

Got a busy day today so I will get them for you later tonight or tomorrow along with reply to your other thoughts. But if you get antsy and want to do some research yourself you can search for them.


Hmmmm ...I see!!!!! Must've stumped you.

Oh....we both know I got this one right...so don't stress yourself with a hurried reply. :roll: :roll:

Hasn't been too long ago you had a fit when someone accused you of taking too much tome to respond, and you said you had other things to do besides just be on here!!

The shoe doesnt fit?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
OPPPS guess not you are a liberal different rules for people like you!!
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Oh....we both know I got this one right...so don't stress yourself with a hurried reply. :roll: :roll:

What is taking you so long to come admit you were wrong? :)

You strumming through the Koran looking for some scripture to grasp onto that says Muslims are nice people?

Or maybe you have a funeral to attend like I did yesterday? I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are busy and will come as soon as you can to admit you were wrong and that the Koran does teach terror and Murder! :wink:
 
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