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Steve

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like any list one has to question certain admissions to the list..

after reading Lee's writeup... I do not see a traitor, as much as a man who made some tough decisions and I would not have put him on this list

at least they were honest in their writeup about his contributions to our country.. .. ...
8. ROBERT EDWARD LEE

Son of the famed Revolutionary cavalier Henry “Light Horse Harry” Lee III, Robert E. Lee bucked the tradition of being named Henry but continued the family’s history of illustrious and exemplary military service, being promoted to a full colonel by Abraham Lincoln shortly after the secession of Texas. Approached numerous times by Confederate conspirators, Lee publicly swore allegiance to the Union and privately ridiculed Confederate military plans, being among the few people who believed the war would be long and bloody. When war became inevitable, Lee was even invited to manage the defense of Washington D.C., a position he rejected as he felt he would be required to invade his home state of Virginia. Lee was desperate to avoid war and supported any attempt at compromise.

So why and how did he become one of the Confederacy’s greatest and most well-known generals? In the end, Lee felt allegiance to his state first and his country second, and when Virginia seceded he believed he had no choice but to resign his U.Ss Army commission and take up the defense of Northern Virginia. Lee’s predictions of a slow, painful war came true, though as general-in-chief of the Confederate military in the last months of battle he was able to block efforts by some officers to set up guerrilla operations in the mountains and generally guided the rebel military to a conditional surrender. After the war, Lee immediately lent his name and remaining wealth to reconciliation efforts and a system of state-funded schools for the newly freed black population, eventually receiving a personally written amnesty from Andrew Johnson before dying of a stroke in 1870. Despite his personal ambivalence over the war, Lee remains an iconic figure and a major symbol of the antebellum South, as well as a good person to name your car after.

how can you fault a man who tried to avoid the war,.. was critical of a confederate military, decided to side with his state, and resigned his commission to do so,.. and

when he lost.. he not only worked to stop continued bloodshed, but worked to better the lives of the freed slaves.. ?
 

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Robert E Lee was a fantastic gentleman. Your author should learn history better before he compiles a list of traitors. General sherman set fire to homesteads and salted wells and raped women of the country he was trying to preserve (supposedly).
 

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I wasn't going to post on the idiocy of that article pertaining to R.E. Lee.

I still won't.

Just few years back, China was left completely out of "space race". During the Clinton administration they acquired the tools & knowledge from the USA to put themselves right in the middle of it.

Why isn't Clinton on that list?
 

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I wasn't going to post on the idiocy of that article pertaining to R.E. Lee.

I still won't.

Just few years back, China was left completely out of "space race". During the Clinton administration they acquired the tools & knowledge from the USA to put themselves right in the middle and on top of it.

Why isn't Clinton on that list?
The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate
Richard Poe
Tuesday, May 27, 2003
China will likely replace the USA as world leader, said Bill Clinton in a recent Washington Post interview. It is just a matter of time. Clinton should know. He has personally done more to build China’s military strength than any man on earth.

Most Americans have heard of the so-called "Chinagate" scandal. Few understand its deadly import, however. Web sites such as "Chinagate for Dummies" and its companion "More Chinagate for Dummies" offer some assistance.

Unfortunately, with a combined total of nearly 8,000 words, these two sites – like so many others of the genre – offer more detail than most of us "dummies" can absorb.

For that reason, in the 600 words left in this column, I will try to craft my own "Idiot’s Guide to Chinagate," dedicated to all those busy folks like you and me whose attention span tends to peter out after about 750 words.

Here goes.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented no threat to the United States. Chinese missiles "couldn’t hit the side of a barn," notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets.

Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.

China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy – equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do its dirty work while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.

In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal, respectively, thus controlling access both ways.

A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing California's Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from its bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.

How did the Chinese catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed – or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness is to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.

As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity" – the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.

To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O'Leary to head the Department of Energy. O'Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.

Federal investigators later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton’s open-door policy – probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes.

Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.

In his book "The China Threat," Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked.

Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clinton's campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs. Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.

"We like your president. We want to see him re-elected," former Chinese intelligence chief Gen. Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung.

Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton's way.

Clinton's top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady, who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.

Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clinton's front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Brown's Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash.

Needless to say, China does not share Clinton's enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity. The Chinese look out for No. 1.

"War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war."

Bill Clinton has given them a good start.

For more columns by Richard Poe, Click here.

Richard Poe is a New York Times best-selling author and cyberjournalist. For more information on Poe and his writings, visit his Web site, www.richardpoe.com. He may be reached at [email protected]
 

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3. AMERICAN WAFFEN-SS VOLUNTEERS

“George Washington Brigade” made up entirely of renegade Americans. The GWB turned out to be a myth


Just another attempt by the "lefties" to smear those they consider "Nazis", but were actually progressives.
 

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redrobin said:
Robert E Lee was a fantastic gentleman. Your author should learn history better before he compiles a list of traitors. General sherman set fire to homesteads and salted wells and raped women of the country he was trying to preserve (supposedly).

War is hell redrobin. Let's not mention Andersonville. (Estimated 45,000 Union soldiers starved to death there). Some of our "southern gentlemen" had been raping black women for 200 years.
 

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TexasBred said:
redrobin said:
Robert E Lee was a fantastic gentleman. Your author should learn history better before he compiles a list of traitors. General sherman set fire to homesteads and salted wells and raped women of the country he was trying to preserve (supposedly).

War is hell redrobin. Let's not mention Andersonville. (Estimated 45,000 Union soldiers starved to death there). Some of our "southern gentlemen" had been raping black women for 200 years.

45,000 dead prisoners at Andersonville is about 4 times the true number.

All in all about equal amounts of North & South Prisoners died in camps.
Confederate - 30,218
Union - 25,796

http://www.northernsunprint.com/page/content.detail/id/501835.html?nav=5000

Don't guess you ever heard about the women at Roswell either? :roll:

In July 1864 during the Atlanta campaign General William T. Sherman ordered the approximately 400 Roswell mill workers, mostly women, arrested as traitors and shipped as prisoners to the North with their children.

There is little evidence that more than a few of the women ever returned home.

As the Union forces approached Atlanta in the early summer of 1864, almost all the members of the founding families of Roswell—aristocrats from the Georgia coast, most of them owners and/or stockholders of the Roswell Manufacturing Company mills—had fled. The remaining residents were mostly the mill workers and their families. The two cotton mills and a woolen mill continued to operate, producing cloth for Confederate uniforms and other much-needed military supplies, such as rope, canvas, and tent cloth.

On July 5, seeking a way to cross the Chattahoochee River and gain access to Atlanta, Brigadier General Kenner Garrard's cavalry began the Union's twelve-day occupation of Roswell, which was undefended. The next day
Roswell Mill Women Housing
Garrard reported to Sherman that he had discovered the mills in full operation and had proceeded to destroy them, and that about 400 women had been employed in the mills. On July 7 Sherman replied that the destruction of the mills "meets my entire approval." He ordered that the owners and employees be arrested and charged with treason, elaborating, "I repeat my orders that you arrest all people, male and female, connected with those factories, no matter what the clamor, and let them foot it, under guard, to Marietta, whence I will send them by [railroad] cars, to the North. . . . Let them [the women] take along their children and clothing, providing they have a means of hauling or you can spare them."

The women, their children, and the few men, most either too young or too old to fight, were transported by wagon to Marietta and imprisoned in the Georgia Military Institute, by then abandoned. Then, with several days' rations, they were loaded into boxcars that proceeded through Chattanooga, Tennessee, and after a stopover in Nashville, Tennessee, headed to Louisville, Kentucky, the final destination for many of the mill workers. Others were sent across the Ohio River to Indiana.

First housed and fed in a Louisville refugee hospital, the women later took what menial jobs and living arrangements could be found. Those in Indiana struggled to survive, many settling near the river, where eventually mills provided employment. Unless husbands had been transported with the women or had been imprisoned nearby, there was little probability of a return to Roswell, so the remaining women began to marry and bear children.

The tragedy, widely publicized at the time, with outrage expressed in northern as well as southern presses, was virtually forgotten over the next century. Only in the 1980s did a few writers begin to research and tell the story. Even then, the individual identities and fates of the women remained unknown.

In 1998 the Roswell Mills Camp No. 1547, Sons of the Confederate Veterans, initiated a project to acknowledge and honor the deported mill workers. Through publicity, advertisements, and research, some of the descendants and other relatives were found; most of their deported ancestors had settled in the North.

In July 2000 the project culminated in a ceremonial event highlighted by unveiling a memorial monument in Roswell's mill village park to commemorate the sacrifices of the mill workers and to honor the 400 women.
 

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No I hadn't Mike, but I don't see anywhere that anyone was murdered and/or raped. Only that the mill had to be destroyed (which is normal in war) and the people were arrested, shipped out and appear to have done ok afterward.
 

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Oh, you want rape huh? As if taking 400 women & children from their homes and moving them to another part of the country where only a couple made it back is very "civilized". :roll:

http://civilwarodyssey.blogspot.com/2011/03/behind-curtain-rape-and-other-horrors.html

Punishing civilians?

"Look to the South and you who went with us through that land can best say if they have not been fearfully punished. Mourning is in every household, desolation written in broad characters across the whole face of their country, cities in ashes and fields laid waste, their commerce gone, their system of labor annihilated and destroyed. Ruin and poverty and distress everywhere, and now pestilence adding to the very cap sheaf of their stack of misery"...Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, the man who left a 60 mile wide, 300 mile long path of death and desolation across GA and up through SC.

The kindest thing that could possibly be said about General William T. Sherman, Commanding General of the United States during the War Between the States, is that he was stark, raving mad. If he was insane - as many contemporary newspapers alleged and as he actually once claimed to be - then it might offer the only lame defense for the dastardly deeds of the United States' most infamous war criminal.

Sherman, with the blessing and enthusiastic approval of General Ulysses S. Grant and President Abraham Lincoln, waged "Total War" against defenseless civilians throughout the Confederate States of America, 1861 - 1865. It was truly a "War of Northern Aggression" against a people who only wanted to be left alone.

General Sherman was personally responsible for the pillaging, plundering and burning of countless defenseless cities, towns and homes. He and his barbaric Union troops brought wrought total destruction on farms, livestock and civilian food supplies. They turned thousands of women and children out into the winter cold, leaving them to fend for themselves with no food and no shelter. He and his troops hauled thousands of wagon loads of stolen Southern goods back to the North. They gang raped both black and white women and slaughtered thousands of innocent Americans, including old men, women, and children of all races.

Sherman had no shame. Here are some of his own words that illustrate his maniacal lust for blood. In a letter to his wife he said of the southern secessionists: "why death is mercy, and the quicker he or she is disposed of the better . . . . Until we can repopulate Georgia, it is useless to occupy it, but the utter destruction of its roads, houses, and people will cripple their military resources"

In an order to one of his generals, Thomas Ewing (Order #11) Sherman said "There is a class of people (in the South), men women and children, who must be killed or banished before you can hope for peace and order."

And again to his wife he wrote from north Georgia, "I begin to regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand men as a small affair, a kind of morning dash."

"The Government of the United States has in North Alabama," Sherman once declared, "any and all rights which they choose to enforce in war - to take their lives, their homes, their lands, their everything . . . . war is simply power unrestrained by constitution or compact." "We will . . . take every life, every acre of land, every particle of property, everything that to us seems proper,"

Sherman's own words condemn him.

After his atrocities against the people of the Confederate States, Sherman continued his maniacal murders by overseeing the genocide of the Native American population in the West in Indian Wars. Of the Plains Indians he said, "It is one of those irreconcilable conflicts that will end only in one way, one or the other must be exterminated . . . . We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to the extermination, men, women and children" ... "The more Indians we can kill this year, the less will have to be killed next year," wrote Sherman. "They all have to be killed or be maintained as a species of paupers."

William T. Sherman wrote his own epitaph - "Faithful and Honorable." A more fitting epitaph would be "Insane and Conscienceless."

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_General_Sherman#ixzz1yqWWGVZF
 

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Abuse of civilians and POW's was not limited to the yankees.....rebs did their share as well............all is fair in love and war it's said. A shame 99% of the battles took place in the southern states. Major destruction should have been expected when the first shots were fired. Even today you destroy the enemies resources and try to leave him nothing to come back to as well as the people working in industries which supply an army. Just an accepted tactic of war !!!!
 

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TexasBred said:
smalltime said:
Maybe the next civil war here in America will be more civilized?NOT!

War is war....not a place you look for civility.

Even war is not an excuse for immoral behavior.. nothing is..

ever man should be able to look at his mother, grandmother, wife or child and proudly say he did what is right,.. even in the worst of wars...
 

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I think someone needs to be bumped to make room for Obama, Holder, Billary, Pelosi and 5/9th's of the current supreme court.
 

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Steve said:
TexasBred said:
smalltime said:
Maybe the next civil war here in America will be more civilized?NOT!

War is war....not a place you look for civility.

Even war is not an excuse for immoral behavior.. nothing is..

ever man should be able to look at his mother, grandmother, wife or child and proudly say he did what is right,.. even in the worst of wars...

Yet the crew who dropped "the bomb" on Japan are hero's. The 2nd one coming after the knew the destruction of the first.
 

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TexasBred said:
Steve said:
TexasBred said:
War is war....not a place you look for civility.

Even war is not an excuse for immoral behavior.. nothing is..

ever man should be able to look at his mother, grandmother, wife or child and proudly say he did what is right,.. even in the worst of wars...

Yet the crew who dropped "the bomb" on Japan are hero's. The 2nd one coming after the knew the destruction of the first.

we could re-fight every war.. but the fact is a person must be accountable for their actions..

dropping a bomb is a far cry from rape... using one to justify the other is corrupt and wrong..

one is a lawful command the other is a crime...
 

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I disagree that Robert E. Lee was a traitor. He remained true to his state of Virginia as his upbringing taught him. I have read that Robert E. Lee was opposed to slavery and that U.S. Grant actually owned slaves.
I graduated from Robert E. Lee High School.
 

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