Kato said:If you knew the USDA inspector in charge of those cattle crossing the border you wouldn't even ask this question. :!:
Sandhusker said:Kato said:If you knew the USDA inspector in charge of those cattle crossing the border you wouldn't even ask this question. :!:
Do you know where they crossed?
Kato said:Very likely at the crossing between Boissevain Manitoba and Dunseith North Dakota. The only other possiblity is at Pembina North Dakota, but the majority of Manitoba calves go through Boissevain.
Western Manitoba has a number of bigger feedlots, and one of the a number of high volume cattle buyers, so the odds are strong on Boissevain.
Oldtimer said:Kato said:Very likely at the crossing between Boissevain Manitoba and Dunseith North Dakota. The only other possiblity is at Pembina North Dakota, but the majority of Manitoba calves go through Boissevain.
Western Manitoba has a number of bigger feedlots, and one of the a number of high volume cattle buyers, so the odds are strong on Boissevain.
Speculation...Another assumption, just like many of our posts have been on this subject...Over two months since the incident- and a couple weeks since the USDA said they have it solved and they still have released very little info...I get e-mails of all USDA press releases (several a day) and not one has mentioned the incident....And I've heard or seen nothing out of Canada...I would think that as important as this could end up being to Canada someone would be wanting to see the USDA investigation reports and have something to say about it...
This is not like its an issue that has military security privilege nor a criminal investigation privilege since they indicated no crime was committed...Do we not still live in a Democracy where the citizenery has a right to know what their polical appointees and bureaucrats are doing? Where is the openness and transparency that USDA promised :???:![]()
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.....Plumb stinks!!!!!!!!
Bill said:Oldtimer said:Kato said:Very likely at the crossing between Boissevain Manitoba and Dunseith North Dakota. The only other possiblity is at Pembina North Dakota, but the majority of Manitoba calves go through Boissevain.
Western Manitoba has a number of bigger feedlots, and one of the a number of high volume cattle buyers, so the odds are strong on Boissevain.
Speculation...Another assumption, just like many of our posts have been on this subject...Over two months since the incident- and a couple weeks since the USDA said they have it solved and they still have released very little info...I get e-mails of all USDA press releases (several a day) and not one has mentioned the incident....And I've heard or seen nothing out of Canada...I would think that as important as this could end up being to Canada someone would be wanting to see the USDA investigation reports and have something to say about it...
This is not like its an issue that has military security privilege nor a criminal investigation privilege since they indicated no crime was committed...Do we not still live in a Democracy where the citizenery has a right to know what their polical appointees and bureaucrats are doing? Where is the openness and transparency that USDA promised :???:![]()
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.....Plumb stinks!!!!!!!!
Your right it stinks Oldtimer and your the one who keeps spreading it around with your constant whining.
Waaaaaaa USDA
Waaaaaaa Canada
Waaaaaaa Canada
Waaaaaaa USDA
You are the one who plastered this all over the internet and now can wear the egg on your face quite proudly. Be sure to share some of it with your other members of the R-Choir.
Kato said:Very likely at the crossing between Boissevain Manitoba and Dunseith North Dakota. The only other possiblity is at Pembina North Dakota, but the majority of Manitoba calves go through Boissevain.
Western Manitoba has a number of bigger feedlots, and one of the a number of high volume cattle buyers, so the odds are strong on Boissevain.
Oldtimer said:Bill said:Oldtimer said:Speculation...Another assumption, just like many of our posts have been on this subject...Over two months since the incident- and a couple weeks since the USDA said they have it solved and they still have released very little info...I get e-mails of all USDA press releases (several a day) and not one has mentioned the incident....And I've heard or seen nothing out of Canada...I would think that as important as this could end up being to Canada someone would be wanting to see the USDA investigation reports and have something to say about it...
This is not like its an issue that has military security privilege nor a criminal investigation privilege since they indicated no crime was committed...Do we not still live in a Democracy where the citizenery has a right to know what their polical appointees and bureaucrats are doing? Where is the openness and transparency that USDA promised :???:![]()
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.....Plumb stinks!!!!!!!!
Your right it stinks Oldtimer and your the one who keeps spreading it around with your constant whining.
Waaaaaaa USDA
Waaaaaaa Canada
Waaaaaaa Canada
Waaaaaaa USDA
You are the one who plastered this all over the internet and now can wear the egg on your face quite proudly. Be sure to share some of it with your other members of the R-Choir.
Bill- I'll admit that I've done as much speculating and assuming as everyone else in an attempt to get info about this incident....But after over one month and not even a report of the incident from USDA, you have to bring attention to the issue and public/political pressure on them...That is one of the problems that comes about when a government agency blankets itself in secrecy....Rumors, speculation, and loss of credibility....This has been one of the biggest faults of this administration and what has brought so much of the media to question their credibility....
Now we have over two months and still little for details on what happened...
I spent 30 years working with high interest, high emotion incidents and found that being as open and honest with the citizenry and media is important- and to get press releases and info out ASAP to keep the rumors from starting...USDA completely dropped that ball- and I don't think its because they're that stupid or lack enough public relations people-- which raises the stink level on why they don't want this to be looked at by the public....
Oldtimer said:Did you have something to say besides attack me :???:
Tam said:Oldtimer said:Did you have something to say besides attack me :???:
Just asking questions Oldtimer. :wink:
Let me re-ask
1.Just how much high interest stuff was going on the Valley County Montana, that needed press releases issued?
Tam I talked weekly with Billings Gazette, Great Falls Tribune, Glasgow Courier, UPI, and many of the other media outlets...
High interest, high emotion-- many homicides, which included several triple murders (remember we are on and border a Reservation)- arson deaths, house explosions with multiple deaths, oil rig explosions with multiple deaths, oilrig gas asphixations, we had 5 exposure deaths in one year, multi county drug busts, the largest embezzlement in the history of the state (Marc Racicot prosecuted), the largest seizure and sale of cattle in state history (700+ head) , suicides, car accidents, boat or drowning accidents (we have the largest earth filled dam and reservoir in the nation), Amtrak wrecks, etc. I could go on for some time....These have high interest in a state like Montana and any time you are involved with suspicious or questionable deaths- high emotion...
2.did you do as much speculating, guess work and spreading of misleading crap in those thirty years with your press releases as you do now?
3.Or did you do your job and investigated to find out the truth before making statements the evidence could back up unlike what you do now?
No speculation-- only the facts that could be released at the time...Sometimes the first day that would only be to verify or release that the incident occurred and that would be followed up with more info as soon as it was known....And that was never a month or two later without any official press release....
4. If you honestly believe open and honest with the citizenry is so important why didn't you issue a retired Deputy Dog press release to the Local paper about your local butcher taking the Product of Canada labels off after you went dumpster diving?
There were press releases and info issued regarding the fact that Packers/retailers were defrauding consumers by use of the USDA stamp...Much of that was done by the Montana Senator who co-sponsored the MT M-COOL law...Surprised a lot of local folks that thought they were getting local feedlot beef, since some of the retailers did on farm slaughtering- -But were not licensed to sell that product retail under Montana law... Really surprised them to find out that our government could have been pawning off Canadian beef to them unknowingly while allowing the retailers to label it as US......The local media was caught unknowing about it either and took quite an interest in following up with follow up stories on it......
The local commissioners also signed a petition and letter of support at that time for the M-COOL-- which went all the way to the national level with MACO (Montana Association of County Officials) and NACO (National) coming out in support of M-COOL- which they still do....
5. Or would that have cut into his ability to compete with the BIG BOYs to much?
We singled out no individuals, since they were all doing it and violating no law-- but did make sure the word got out on that this was a national fraud and was occurring right here too.....
How are we to know what kind of LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER you were without asking a few questions? :wink:
By your answer I doubt the media got to ask any question at your Press conferences I bet you just issued written press release so they couldn't ask questions? :wink:
Many times I issued only written releases- so that they would not print something you did not say.....For many years I issued verbal thru a local news reporter that was very trustworthy- and she would write up the release for the rest of the press agencies--- until she retired.....
I also started a newspaper column about 5 years before I retired- where we listed all the calls recieved for assistance for the week along with the action taken (investigation, arrest, etc.--if an arrest the name of the person arrested)...Many weeks this takes up or covers almost a whole page in the paper...They are still doing this and it is very popular with folks in the county- and I've had some that say its the first thing they read when they get the weekly paper and they wouldn't buy the paper if it ended....Its all about trying to be an open and transparent government agency....
But accusing me of attacking you after your post trying to get me to back your claims the Canadian Authorities refused to help the USDA in their investigation what a laugh
:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You haven't come up with an answer for my Senator about how we can guarantee these quarantined cattle can be tracked if we find the need to..... :???:
Proper paperwork: However, Sam Holland, state veterinarian for South Dakota, said the paperwork indicates that tags of the cattle in question were checked at the Canadian border. The proper papers were found at the port of entry, he said Wednesday.
'The paperwork trail that's required for slaughter cattle is pretty irrefutable,' Holland added.
Holland, who has been critical of some USDA dealings, said the investigation into the Vandyke situation was thorough and straightforward. While more work could be done on the case, Holland said that it now appears that the proper information has been released.
don said:from farms.com:
Canada Not to Blame for Cattle Mix-Up - 2/2/2007
NASHVILLE (DTN) -- Canada did not violate any trade restrictions in a mix-up
of cattle last November that led a livestock group to call for an investigation,
a top veterinarian for USDA said Thursday.
An investigation was launched by USDA after the South Dakota Stockgrowers
Association questioned why a packer refused to pay a producer for cattle with
a Canadian tag, claiming the producer was not aware he had bought Canadian
cattle at a sale barn.
Canadian feeder cattle are not allowed for import or sale at a stockyards.
Cattle are only allowed to go to a feedlot then directly to a meatpacking
plant.
The controversy flared when officials from Swift & Co. in Grand Island,
Neb., told a South Dakota cattle producer some of his cattle had to be condemned
and could not be sold because he had improperly co-mingled undocumented Canadian
cattle in his shipment to the plant. The stockgrowers group, which opposes
Canadian imports, denounced the situation.
John Clifford, chief veterinarian with the USDA Animal and Plant Health
Inspection Service, told members of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association
working group for Canada-U.S. trade that Swift had actually imported the cattle
and then they were improperly co-mingled with U.S. cattle in the pens at the
packing plant. Clifford said USDA officials had the health certificates from
Canada and the ear tags showing the animals were properly imported.
The slaughter cattle were delivered Nov. 28 to the packing plant and processed
Nov. 29. That same day was when the South Dakota cattle feeder also had his
cattle delivered to Swift. Earlier this week, Swift acknowledged the mistake
and paid the producer for his cattle.
USDA "was satisfied those tags were from cattle legally exported from Canada
to the packing plant," said John Masswohl of the Canadian Cattlemens' Association.
The cattle from Canada were able to be tracked because of the animal identification
system in that country, Masswohl said.
Such incidences, as minor as they may seem, are a major complication for
Canadian cattlemen trying to expand trade of live cattle to breeding cattle
and older cull animals born after March 1, 1999. Masswohl and other officials
with the Canadian Cattlemens' Association are at the NCBA convention to alleviate
fears over the issue.
"We're talking about how people trade and what that means for the producers,"
Masswohl said. Older Canadian cattle have been banned from the U.S. since
the first case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy in that country in May
2003.
Cattle producers in northern states are worried about price impacts on
the cow market and what happens if there is another positive case of BSE from
a Canadian animal on U.S. soil.
"Nobody can guarantee that's not going to happen," Masswohl said. "We have
assumed all along there are going to be more cases."
Still, the risk of contaminated beef in the food supply is minimal and
the safeguards are strong, Masswohl said.
i guess now we just have to wait for ocm to tell us which direction the cattle actually came from. he's certainly keeping us in suspense. sounds so spoooooky!
don said:sandhusker: If everything was so simple, why did it take the USDA two months to figure that out, and why were they so tight lipped? Why couldn't Swift figure it out in a matter of hours? None of this raises a red flag for you?
if something's up sandhusker just let us know what really happened. pretty easy to sit on the side and call everybody liars but so far you r-calfers have brought nothing. all you say is you don't believe usda. maybe you're right but bring us the real story. you're sounding like yappy little puppies - all bark no bite.