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The Ant and the Grasshopper, with modern translation

CattleArmy

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I'd have to say I am on the side of the ant, but I also say some grasshoppers run into hard times that are not their fault and programs that keep them warm and such are not a bad thing. Some people use the system others need it. JMO
 

nonothing

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I think the grass hopper should look to get a better union leader then he has...As we all know( well those of us who saw the movie " a bugs life"") that ants live in colonies involving huge numbers.We also know that ant's live under a Matriarch system,similar to that of the native Americans years ago...So the soldiers(ants) or warriors (Indians) would go out and hunt for food and bring it back for all to eat...So those in the colony who could not hunt would still be feed and sheltered...

To call the ant a conservative is wrong.For the ant population looks after all of its brethren just like those native Americans did...Those that spent more time looking after their own situations and bulling or killing the ants, could maybe fall under the conservative blanket..the grass hoppers suffered in the end cause they never learned how to help anyone but themselves...They never saw the use for working together to build all, but rather looked at things with a "whats mine is mine I earned it attitude" ..

I do not see any parallels between the ant and the conservative ..Conservative folk in my opinion seem to judge others much more harsher then they judge themselves...They seem to forget those that helped them along the way,but, yet expect the down trodden to do it on their own...and in my opinion the conservative feel that those that get help are not worthing of the helping hand they get....
 

Steve

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I do not see any parallels between the ant and the conservative ..Conservative folk in my opinion seem to judge others much more harsher then they judge themselves...They seem to forget those that helped them along the way,but, yet expect the down trodden to do it on their own...and in my opinion the conservative feel that those that get help are not worthing of the helping hand they get....

and do you just base that on here, or do you check a persons' party affiliation before you judge them?

If it is based on this Political web site,.. you need to get out more..

Most of US have helped other... but if we "told about all we do"... it would be bragging...

but just to show how wrong you are... I'm going to brag*...

This weekend.. and for the last several weeks I have been involved in a "project"

yesterday and last night we raised

$551 for world hunger...
$1079 for Volunteers in Medicine..
and while the total is not in.. over $2200 for a local family living in a shelter Homeless program..
and several hundred in pledges for the local food pantry...

I played a troll... and hobbled up to the stage... turned into a rock and then scrambled away... my knees still hurt, but I'll get over it..

add that into getting together prizes from every one who owed (past tense now) me a favor...

My wife made up two prize baskets herself .. and I run the ticket sales... if some one comes back a little short,.. I take the money out of my pocket to make the books balance...

add in several hundred in in cash and prize donations and alot of running around and time...

I thought it was worth it...to help those in need....

but then again as a conservative... I must not fit your stereotype...

*intent was not to brag, Nor to belittle.
Merry Christmas...
 

nonothing

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Steve said:
I do not see any parallels between the ant and the conservative ..Conservative folk in my opinion seem to judge others much more harsher then they judge themselves...They seem to forget those that helped them along the way,but, yet expect the down trodden to do it on their own...and in my opinion the conservative feel that those that get help are not worthing of the helping hand they get....

and do you just base that on here, or do you check a persons' party affiliation before you judge them?

If it is based on this Political web site,.. you need to get out more..

Most of US have helped other... but if we "told about all we do"... it would be bragging...

but just to show how wrong you are... I'm going to brag*...

This weekend.. and for the last several weeks I have been involved in a "project"

yesterday and last night we raised

$551 for world hunger...
$1079 for Volunteers in Medicine..
and while the total is not in.. over $2200 for a local family living in a shelter Homeless program..
and several hundred in pledges for the local food pantry...

I played a troll... and hobbled up to the stage... turned into a rock and then scrambled away... my knees still hurt, but I'll get over it..

add that into getting together prizes from every one who owed (past tense now) me a favor...

My wife made up two prize baskets herself .. and I run the ticket sales... if some one comes back a little short,.. I take the money out of my pocket to make the books balance...

add in several hundred in in cash and prize donations and alot of running around and time...

I thought it was worth it...to help those in need....

but then again as a conservative... I must not fit your stereotype...

*intent was not to brag, Nor to belittle.
Merry Christmas...


good for you Steve,I hope you had fun in you effort to help.....One thing though Steve. i never started this thread or the stereo typing.I just took what was posted and added my opinion as i see it....Keep on helping others,it is nice to see that there is a little liberal inside you...

PS I never asked for anyone's story of proof,I feel a man knows when he does right and wrong...No matter how one helps, either it be through silent motivation or self exknowledgement helping is helping no matter what the reasons.I thank you for lending a hand to help your fellow man.
 

aplusmnt

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Steve said:
I do not see any parallels between the ant and the conservative ..Conservative folk in my opinion seem to judge others much more harsher then they judge themselves...They seem to forget those that helped them along the way,but, yet expect the down trodden to do it on their own...and in my opinion the conservative feel that those that get help are not worthing of the helping hand they get....

and do you just base that on here, or do you check a persons' party affiliation before you judge them?

If it is based on this Political web site,.. you need to get out more..

Most of US have helped other... but if we "told about all we do"... it would be bragging...

but just to show how wrong you are... I'm going to brag*...

This weekend.. and for the last several weeks I have been involved in a "project"

yesterday and last night we raised

$551 for world hunger...
$1079 for Volunteers in Medicine..
and while the total is not in.. over $2200 for a local family living in a shelter Homeless program..
and several hundred in pledges for the local food pantry...

I played a troll... and hobbled up to the stage... turned into a rock and then scrambled away... my knees still hurt, but I'll get over it..

add that into getting together prizes from every one who owed (past tense now) me a favor...

My wife made up two prize baskets herself .. and I run the ticket sales... if some one comes back a little short,.. I take the money out of my pocket to make the books balance...

add in several hundred in in cash and prize donations and alot of running around and time...

I thought it was worth it...to help those in need....

but then again as a conservative... I must not fit your stereotype...

*intent was not to brag, Nor to belittle.
Merry Christmas...

Maybe nonothing should have seen that 20/20 show were they showed that Conservatives gave more than Liberals to help people.

http://usconservatives.about.com/b/2006/12/17/conservatives-give-more-than-liberals.htm

John Stossel's latest 20/20 report ... points out that more than 80 percent of philanthropic giving and volunteering in this country is done by conservatives. The study done over years, according to Stossel, by a self-proclaimed liberal professor at Syracuse University, showed liberals are far less likely to give to any charities, volunteer or even give blood, so this study encompasses every aspect of "personal" giving.
Data proves conservatives will donate more often and give more, even when they have less of an income than their liberal counterpart. It was shown that liberals in general do not feel giving is a personal responsibility, and their reasoning somehow transfers responsibility onto the government.

But, it's not just being conservative that makes more people give. Apparently, it's a combination of religion and conservatism. Stossel writes that religious people are more likely to give money to charities, and give four times as much when they donate. In fact, religious participation is the single largest predictor of whether someone will give.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2006/12/06/who_gives_to_charity[/i]
 

Steve

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NoNothing
PS I never asked for anyone's story of proof,I feel a man knows when he does right and wrong..

So if I just said,... No your wrong, you would have just accepted that I was right... :wink:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Steve said:
NoNothing
PS I never asked for anyone's story of proof,I feel a man knows when he does right and wrong..

So if I just said,... No your wrong, you would have just accepted that I was right... :wink:

Again I read the first post on this thread,I decided to write my opinion of that post..I never brought in names I just simply put my take,(all be it different from the original)on how I saw the ant and grasshopper different then the articles author...

If some one was to ask me as I wrote my opinion out,"what will Steve think of my opinion"? I would of answered "depends how much thought he put in".".but if he does choose to answer,I suspect that some how it will involve him,therefore leaving the original characters of the story the ant and the grass hopper,to be pushed aside"...

As far as your question goes,it is a moot point...I never wrote my post towards you Steve,I do not recall me making it about you,and you never crossed my mind while writing it...But, some how you made it about yourself,I can not say I am surprised at that..I never wrote my opinion to try and changed others ideals here,I know how it is here.I just gave my take on a story authored by no one who even comes to this site..so if you were to say I was wrong,It would of been a more acceptable statement then you giving me proof of your helping hand,when I never asked that question to you.

Do not however get me wrong,what you did to help others was a grand gesture,and I am not knocking your effort,rather I applaud it..Again I will say it No matter how one helps, either it be through silent motivation or self exknowledgement helping is helping no matter what the reasons....In the end the right people still get help...
 

Steve

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NoNothing
Quote:
I do not see any parallels between the ant and the conservative ..Conservative folk in my opinion seem to judge others much more harsher then they judge themselves...They seem to forget those that helped them along the way,but, yet expect the down trodden to do it on their own...and in my opinion the conservative feel that those that get help are not worthing of the helping hand they get....

Your wrong... I don't judge others,.. that is for GOD to do.. I remember where I came from.. I expect the down-trodden to lift themselves up with help.. if they want to stay down... not my problem... I believe many are worthy of a helping hand,.. and I am a conservative!

NoNothing
As far as your question goes,it is a moot point...I never wrote my post towards you

I am a conservative .. your wrong.. Your opinion was general and attacked "conservatives".. it painted a broad brush... Since I am a conservative, I responded with an example to show how wrong you were...

It's not about me... It is about your biased belittling opinion...of conservatives.

I know many conservatives who donate alot of their time,..money and knowledge to help those who are less fortunate...

as a liberal it appeared you didn't like your portrayal as the grasshopper..tough... do something to make your life better and then you to could support many causes..

Moral of the story might be

"Liberals don't want to support their causes,..they want to force conservatives to support them"...
 

Steve

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NoNothing
In the end the right people still get help...

I doubt it... the problem with most "helping" charities is that they do nothing to actually fix the underlining problems..

so all they do is create a dependency on the charity..

The best help you can give some one is the ability to be independent,.. and to stand on their own feet... then at some time they could help others...

That is the gift that was given to me... and I pray I can pass it along...
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Steve said:
I expect the down-trodden to lift themselves up with help.. if they want to stay down... not my problem...

Seems that is the way God expects it also.

2 Thessalonians 3:10

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
I am a conservative .. your wrong.. Your opinion was general and attacked "conservatives".. it painted a broad brush... Since I am a conservative, I responded with an example to show how wrong you were...



Again my opinion was no more general than the post that is at the start of this thread...I never used an example of anyone when i responded to the original posting...Also talk about broad brush,i think that broad brush was used on the original posting,but again you never mentioned its unfairness..


as a liberal it appeared you didn't like your portrayal as the grasshopper..tough... do something to make your life better and then you to could support many causes..

Moral of the story might be

"Liberals don't want to support their causes,..they want to force conservatives to support them"...

So as a conservative you dont like my portaral of the ant ...tough.. do something to make your life better and then you can support many causes.(please do not give me a list of all you do.i am not doubting your helping hands).

Moral of the story should be...there is good people on either side of the political ideals...I never attacked anyone all I did was offer an opinion which went against the original post...It always seems ok to trash anything liberal here,but if a so called liberal leaves a negative post against the conservative way,well the back slapping and laughing of the conservative folk, turns to personal stories of individaul goodness or a religous rant....

The best help you can give some one is the ability to be independent,.. and to stand on their own feet... then at some time they could help others...

That is the gift that was given to me... and I pray I can pass it along...


I agree 100% with the best help is helping another accomplish his/her own way...Also it is nice to see a man pass on what he was given.......
 

Steve

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NoNothing
It always seems ok to trash anything liberal here,but if a so called liberal leaves a negative post against the conservative way,

If you leave a negative against others you should expect someone to confront your opinion.. and if you can't back it up.. at least try not to whine so much...

and if you can "refute" someones negative post against liberals by all means say something... who knows you might learn that others will back you up.. I really doubt it,..

and since you keep saying that your opinion was "Again my opinion was no more general than the post that is at the start of this thread...I never used an example of anyone when I responded to the original posting." could you please point out what lines led to your opinion that the conservative ant was as bad as you said... cause I don't see it..
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, "It's Not Easy Being Green." Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, "We shall overcome." Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer! The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients. The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow. The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

Be careful how you vote in 2008!

Looks to me like you liberals just want another scapegoat... some one to blame for your failed welfare policy...so you attack the conservative ant again...

Liberals don't want to support their causes, they want to force conservative to support them...
 

backhoeboogie

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lyric said:
I am a democrat. I am against gun control

Isn't that an oxymoron?

lyric said:
I am a democrat. I completly appreciate the stories in the ant and grasshopper posts.

I am starting to see a pattern develop here.


lyric said:
Have been accused of being a closet republican

That would start to make sense to me.

Lyric, there is hope for you. I don't think you need to be all that concerned with what a liberal is. I can only hope there are more demo folks like you out there. Looking forward to reading more of your words.
 

TSR

Well-known member
backhoeboogie said:
lyric said:
I am a democrat. I am against gun control

Isn't that an oxymoron?

lyric said:
I am a democrat. I completly appreciate the stories in the ant and grasshopper posts.

I am starting to see a pattern develop here.


lyric said:
Have been accused of being a closet republican

That would start to make sense to me.

Lyric, there is hope for you. I don't think you need to be all that concerned with what a liberal is. I can only hope there are more demo folks like you out there. Looking forward to reading more of your words.

I believe there are a lot of Democrats out there like Lyric, in fact I know many. Maybe future Independents are really what they are. Ever watch Lou Dobbs? I believe the Independent movement is gaining momentum. It may not happen in this presidential election but in other elections in the future hopefully, there will be some Independents running. I am really tired of Bush catering to big business and I don't see a lot of change coming with the Democrats. I believe what Oldtimer said in one of his posts is true-- the money is supporting the candidates they know can be controlled to do their bidding,whether it be Dem. or Rep. JMHO
 

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