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The Art Of Rigging An Election

Mike

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Senator Ted Cruz and Gov. John R. Kasich of Ohio have agreed to coordinate in future primary contests in a last-ditch effort to deny Donald J. Trump the Republican presidential nomination, with each candidate standing aside in certain states amid growing concerns that Mr. Trump cannot otherwise be stopped.

In a statement late Sunday night, Mr. Cruz’s campaign manager, Jeff Roe, said that the campaign would “focus its time and resources in Indiana and in turn clear the path for Governor Kasich to compete in Oregon and New Mexico.”

Minutes after Mr. Roe’s statement, the Kasich campaign put out a similar message. The Ohio governor’s chief strategist, John Weaver, said that his campaign would shift its resources to states in the West and “give the Cruz campaign a clear path in Indiana.”

Both campaigns said they expected allies and third-party groups to follow their lead, and a representative from the “super PAC” supporting Mr. Kasich confirmed late Sunday that it would not advertise in Indiana.

The arrangement is a striking departure for Mr. Cruz, who has in the past rebuffed calls from some Republican leaders — including members of the Kasich campaign and Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee — to divvy up states in an effort to complicate Mr. Trump’s path.

The move also signals a major shift in tone from the Cruz campaign toward Mr. Kasich, whom Cruz aides have long cast as a spoiler in the race. Mr. Cruz has openly questioned whether Mr. Kasich was auditioning to be Mr. Trump’s vice president.

But Indiana, which votes on May 3, is seen as critical to Mr. Cruz’s chances of keeping Mr. Trump safely beneath the delegate count required for the nomination. In a signal of Indiana’s importance, Mr. Cruz has held several events in the state in recent days, giving relatively little attention to the five states that vote on Tuesday, when he is expected to lose more delegates to Mr. Trump.
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Mr. Kasich’s team had hoped to coordinate in this manner much sooner. Last month, at a debate in Miami, Mr. Weaver broached the possibility with Mr. Roe of splitting the remaining states in an effort to minimize Mr. Trump’s delegate haul. Mr. Cruz’s team rejected the overture, in part because it would have meant ceding the spotlight in high-profile contests, such as New York, in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states. Mr. Weaver and Mr. Roe reached the accord this time and the two candidates did not discuss it, according to an adviser to Mr. Kasich.

What changed between the talks last month and now, according to Mr. Cruz’s advisers, is that there are few states left on the calendar and Mr. Cruz must stop Mr. Trump in Indiana.

Mr. Trump’s landslide victory in New York last week and an expected win Tuesday in a handful of Eastern states has demoralized those Republicans hoping to halt his candidacy. They fear that if he wins Indiana after his run of recent success, the appetite and financing to block him in the remaining states will dissipate. Indiana is also one of the few remaining states before California votes on June 7 where there is much indecision. The intervening states either clearly favor Mr. Trump or Mr. Cruz, or they will scatter their delegates through some proportional approach.

Public polling in Indiana shows Mr. Cruz trailing Mr. Trump, in part because Mr. Kasich is threatening to win a significant number of votes, particularly in the Indianapolis area, which is filled with more affluent Republicans. Indiana awards delegates based on congressional district results and the overall winner; five of the state’s nine districts include or immediately border the county that is home to Indianapolis.

A Fox News survey released last week showed Mr. Trump taking 41 percent of the vote while Mr. Cruz received 33 percent and Mr. Kasich 16 percent. But without Mr. Kasich in the race, Mr. Trump’s lead narrowed to two points.

The timing was crucial, too. Mr. Cruz now will have more than a week of campaigning in Indiana unimpeded by Mr. Kasich. And with Oregon starting its early voting this week, the two camps had to come to an agreement. At this late stage, it is unclear how effective the effort might be at swaying voters, especially if the campaigns do not give more explicit instructions. Unlike a similar gambit last month, when Senator Marco Rubio urged supporters in Ohio to vote for Mr. Kasich to slow Mr. Trump, there was no such request in the two statements on Sunday.

Mr. Weaver said the campaign was “very comfortable with our delegate position in Indiana already,” a reference to success in lining up individual delegates from the state to the national convention. (These delegate will be bound to the results of next month’s primary on the first convention ballot but will be free agents should there be subsequent ballots.) As for why Mr. Cruz’s campaign showed a willingness to deal now, Mr. Kasich’s advisers noted that he was in a stronger position when it rejected the overture that took place over a month ago.

As of late Sunday night, a website listing scheduled events for the Kasich campaign no longer included two rallies in Indiana that had been planned for Tuesday.

The abrupt change placed some campaign allies in an awkward spot. Trusted Leadership PAC, a “super PAC” supporting Mr. Cruz, announced on Friday that it planned to spend $1.6 million in Indiana, unveiling an attack ad against Mr. Kasich. “He just said Republicans have no ideas,” the group says of Mr. Kasich. “He’s right insofar as we have no idea why he is still running.”

Mr. Roe said the campaign planned to “compete vigorously to win” in any other states not mentioned in the statement. But Mr. Cruz’s advisers said he was willing to punt on Oregon and New Mexico, which together account for 52 delegates, because the campaign needed to offer states with approximately the same number of delegates as Indiana’s 57. And Oregon and New Mexico are proportional states, so they are not likely to hand either candidate a significant trove of delegates.

An internal Cruz campaign memo last month was bullish on New Mexico, where the campaign said it expected to earn a majority of delegates.

For Mr. Kasich, who still trails Mr. Rubio in delegates, the agreement allows them a better chance at winning a handful more delegates going into the convention in proportional states where Mr. Cruz will now not be much of a factor.

Ceding these delegates to Mr. Kasich is of little concern to Mr. Cruz now because the senator can no longer clinch the nomination before Cleveland. He is focused entirely on stopping Mr. Trump from reaching 1,237 delegates by the end of voting in June, so whether he or Mr. Kasich were the ones sharing the delegates with the front-runner in New Mexico and Oregon mattered little.


For Mr. Trump, who has argued repeatedly in recent days that Republican leaders are conspiring to stop him as part of a “rigged” nominating system, the new alliance against him could provide further evidence for his argument to his grass-roots supporters.

“Wow,” he wrote on Twitter late Sunday night, “just announced that Lyin’ Ted and Kasich are going to collude in order to keep me from getting the Republican nomination. DESPERATION!”
 

Brad S

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Simply, trump doesn't carry a majority of republican voters. That's a fact that won't change. Trump benefitted from a large field that split up conservative support. And liberal don dominated his genre, because he's the only liberal I mean really liberal. If trump ran head to head in the primary against almost any of the other candidates, he loses decisively. But that's not reality. He ran against a bunch of conservatives that split the conservative vote. Trump has a plurality, never a majority, of the vote. The Republican Party left the Nixon wing with Reagan, except for trump.

The party must and should see to it that a minority player doesn't get nominated because the conservatives thinned out the conservative vote.

All the trumptards are trying to do is legitimize a plurality. Hell no, that won't work.

Since trump is calling people "pus sy"
Who is the real pus sy that won't debate cruz? Ya, to trumps defense, he's a pus sy but he's nit stupid enough to expose his intellect to cruz
 

loomixguy

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Brad S said:
Simply, trump doesn't carry a majority of republican voters. That's a fact that won't change. Trump benefitted from a large field that split up conservative support. And liberal don dominated his genre, because he's the only liberal I mean really liberal. If trump ran head to head in the primary against almost any of the other candidates, he loses decisively. But that's not reality. He ran against a bunch of conservatives that split the conservative vote. Trump has a plurality, never a majority, of the vote. The Republican Party left the Nixon wing with Reagan, except for trump.

The party must and should see to it that a minority player doesn't get nominated because the conservatives thinned out the conservative vote.

All the trumptards are trying to do is legitimize a plurality. Hell no, that won't work.

Since trump is calling people "pus sy"
Who is the real pus sy that won't debate cruz? Ya, to trumps defense, he's a pus sy but he's nit stupid enough to expose his intellect to cruz

:agree:
 

loomixguy

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If Tramp is such a staunch Republican, why did he donate 25K to Terry McAwful, the Virginia Democrat governor who gave convicted felons back the right to vote (vote Democrat, that is)?
 

Mike

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Same reason John Kasich accepted money from George Soros?

Businessmen donate equally to both parties. Or did you forget he wasn't a politician at one time? Besides, that was March of 2013.
 

loomixguy

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Ted didn't take money from the anti Christ. Time to open your eyes about Tramp. Or maybe you & your pal from Glasgow WANT Hillary to be elected?
 

Brad S

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Mike, look at yourself. You know that Virginia governorship was most important. Liberals had their asses kicked all over the globe, but winning Virginia 3 long decades ago, NO- 1000 days ago really was all they had to keep their lie alive. How is supporting terry mcaulif defensible in any way? Oh some candidate took insurance money so that's the same as supporting dems 3 short years ago in a pivitol election? It isn't anything close to the same.

What sort of feeble intellect supports the most liberal wing of American politics 3 years ago, but now claims to be the real conservative? This nationalism is a problem. He doesn't say "under my administration the individual will be protected against state intrusion, and liberty is infact the decider of prosperity. No, trump says he knows just the right levers of power to make us really win. The difference between trump and any other statist is merely which levers of power to implement. That ain't it bro, that ain't it. The conservative says to protect liberty and the individual will make himself prosperous. Protect the liberty of the individual from the intrusive government. If trump wants to discuss which levers of power are the correct approach to our issues, he is a statist and is running in the wrong party.
 

loomixguy

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Brad, you've just made the point that it's hard enough to win an argument with an intelligent person, but damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.

Tramp won't debate Cruz one on one, won't release his tax records, won't lay out any real plans he has other than to "build a wall and have Mexico pay for it", is pro abortion, pro planned parenthood, anti gun, hasn't ever read the Constitution, has supported liberal politicians and policies his entire adult life, is anti Israel, and constantly lies about anything and everything, and is going to trial charged with fraud in two states. But the TRUMPANZEES will tell you "he's really quite conservative". We've heard that tired old song & dance before. We didn't believe it then, why should we believe it now? Tigers don't change their stripes.
 
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