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The Bald Canadian Goose,eh

Ot, tell me this, how do you advertise beef as being US when it is processed by in your words, "lawbreakers", from South America, do you get a lot of consumers wishing to buy from "sweatshops"?

Many of these illegals now here and coming daily are not Mexican- they run the gamut of Central American and South American countries.....Many aren't coming to the land of opportunity for work-many are looking at this as the land of milk and honey, where they can further their criminal and drug activities with much more money to be had....Many are members of Latino Gangs, that are slowly taking over sections of the US- and they are in Canada too....Many have long criminal histories - sex crimes, robberies, extortion, murder, and drugs--which has become a way of survival for many in some countries
 
Murgen said:
Ot, tell me this, how do you advertise beef as being US when it is processed by in your words, "lawbreakers", from South America, do you get a lot of consumers wishing to buy from "sweatshops"?

Many of these illegals now here and coming daily are not Mexican- they run the gamut of Central American and South American countries.....Many aren't coming to the land of opportunity for work-many are looking at this as the land of milk and honey, where they can further their criminal and drug activities with much more money to be had....Many are members of Latino Gangs, that are slowly taking over sections of the US- and they are in Canada too....Many have long criminal histories - sex crimes, robberies, extortion, murder, and drugs--which has become a way of survival for many in some countries

Anymore- many of the elite in the US have illegals working for them as maids, gardeners, pool cleaners etc.- became so common place they don't even consider themselves as lawbreakers when they hire them anymore...Do you remember how many Presidential political post nominees had to withdraw when the FBI check showed they hired illegal nannies and maids? If I remember right there were Judges and attorney generals included... If more of these employers had been prosecuted, the situation would never have got so out of hand...

Sweatshops :???: Many free enterprise advocates will argue that...Remember we have a miniumum wage law in this country -$5.15 for most- $2.13 for waitress types....But if you're hiring an illegal that isn't reporting anything anyway, you can pay what you want....$1.00 or $2.00 an hour if there are enough scrambling for a job...If you're reporting salaries and benefits on a fake identity, show it on paper that you paid $5.50hr, pay only $2 and pocket the rest....

An old Border Patrol Agent told me that many of these "so-called business's" actually anonomously reported themselves to immigration just before pay day- especially if they knew they had a new batch of workers showing up... Immigration would raid and they wouldn't have to pay all those that got caught and deported....I really liked him, because he always took the detainees back and made the boss settle up and pay them....
 
Murgen and Jason,

Here is California, wonder what Texas and Arizona are fleeced for?


Medicaid paid to illegal immigrants: $2.5 billion

Medical care to uninsured illegal immigrants: $2.2 billion

Food assistance programs for illegal aliens: $1.9 billion

Federal Prison and Court Costs for illegal aliens: $1.6 billion

Federal aid to local schools for illegal immigrants: $1.4 billion

Grand Total: $10.4 billion every year and growing rapidly


Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.

The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," said FAIR President Dan Stein.
"Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become," he said.
California is estimated to be home to nearly 3 million illegal aliens.
Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year.
He also said the total cost of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas, such as special English instruction, school meal programs or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal-alien workers were added into the equation.
Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.
In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.
The FAIR report focused on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994, Mr. Stein said. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants at about $1.1 billion a year.
Mr. Stein said an enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants in 10 years is because of the rapid growth of the illegal population. He said it is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
"1994 was the same year that California voters rebelled and overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for mass illegal immigration," he said. "Since then, state and local governments have blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens.
"Predictably, the costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy," he said.
Mr. Stein said that the state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal-alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed, and that policies need to be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.
 
Murgen- I have to tell you the story of the Mexican illegal that I arrested and found out was wanted for murder in Salt Lake-- it kind of shows the different mores and culture we're looking at....

I was working the railyard area when I spotted what I thought was a fight- when I got closer I could see it was 3 men that had a naked Native American girl spread eagled over an old tractor tire next to a building....One guy was raping the girl when the suspect Mexican hit him over the head with a pipe-- I ran toward them and he turned and came at me with the pipe- stopping about 6 inches short of finding out what a .45 auto silvertip will do.....The guy he hit over the head was a long haired blonde, that turned out to be of Dutch descent that had illegally come into the country thru South America and Mexico from Antiqua- had a long record of drugs and drug smuggling....

Anyway when the Immigration Interpreter helped me interview the Mexican suspect he told us that he had hit the blonde kid because he wasn't sharing fast enough and came after me because he thought I was going to take his woman ( I was in plain clothes)- and he was going to kill me before he had to share her with any more....They'd just met "his woman" about an hour earlier while sharing a bottle of wine......

When questioned about the Salt Lake fire- he readily admitted it...Apparently a couple of his drinking buddies had taken off with a bottle of his hooch and he was going to get even by burning them out- thought he was plumb justified in doing so, even tho it killed people...He'd ran back to Mexico and layed low for awhile- thought they'd forgot about it by now, so came north again with a truckload of Nicarauguans... Mexican records showed he'd spent years in prison for crimes and mental problems....

We don't need anymore of these on the streets- they need to be weeded out and kept out of the country- not given free access to go back and forth across the border when they want to....
 
Of the 15,000 murders committed in the US every year, how many are done by illegals, how many are committed by domestics?
 
So what your saying Oldtimer that everyone of Mexican descent is an arsonist murderer and a gang rapist-sure everyone down there feels safe having an objective open minded individual like yourself in law enforcement-ever heard of racial profiling-guess people like you are poster boys for it. was Ted Bundy Hispanic, Scott Peterson Nicauraugan-was the man you arrested evil and scum of course-was he representative of his culture and creed not a chance.
 
Ot in your post above 1 of the 3 was Mexican 1 was Dutch the other? Were they landed immigrants or true illegals? The Dutch guy smuggled in from Mexico?

You posted some numbers of the costs paid out for illegals, but where is the tax benefit of increased GDP and taxes paid by the employers?

Illegals have papers. They can't just work for anyone. If the paper work is wrong how is an employer supposed to know?

You state people on wellfare should get the jobs, that's why they are on wellfare, they don't want to work. Would you hire a lazy slob who won't do the work ot even show up, or a hard working possible illegal (he has official papers).

It's a bigger problem that requires more than a simplistic solution.

As for Asian gangs in Canada, it is somewhat of a problem, but not 1 person not associated with them or the drug culture has been hurt. Murders have all been traced back to illegal activity. Honest citizens have little to worry about. Besides the gang members are usually 2nd and third generation Asian Canadians, not fresh imports.

Immigrants usually are grateful for a chance to make their way. If they are treated with a little respect, they usually return it.
 
Jason- Northern Rancher- You are missing the entire point... I am not condemning Mexicans or Dutch people-- I am condemning the ones ( Mexican, Dutch, Arabic or Martian) that have to enter the country illegally because they do not meet the requirements to be allowed in legally....This is not racial profiling it is MO profiling... Right now if you are a criminal, psycotic, terrorist, or have no legitimate reason to enter the US, you go thru the Mexican border- which has not been and is not being protected......

The proposed new US rule will allow all persons (estimated at 10-15 million) who snuck into the country illegally to gain legal status- no matter who they are and what they have done ( or what they plan to do)... It will also open the border for unregulated movement and immigration thru Mexico into the US, and as things look after 2010 into Canada ( new United States of North America), unrestricted....

Even Canada has border and immigration restrictions now for going north- some much stronger than ours...Altho Canada's refugee status immigration is lacking- the laws for US citizens legally entering Canada are quite strict as you do not allow in anyone, even visitors, charged or convicted of a felony or even some misdemeanors (DUI, Assault, Domestic Abuse, misd. drug possession, etc.)...

I agree we in the US have a MAJOR drug and crime problem- and we have millions already commiting horrendous crimes-- but should we open our doors and allow in millions more unrestricted? :???: :? .......

Jason said:
Ot in your post above 1 of the 3 was Mexican 1 was Dutch the other? Were they landed immigrants or true illegals? The Dutch guy smuggled in from Mexico?

The Mexican was an illegal immigrant who had been in and out of the country many times- several times deported... The Dutch Antiquan was an illegal with a conviction record of drugs (cocaine) and therefore banned from entry- so he chose the easiest route- thru the Mexican border, and altho we could never prove it believe he transported a load in on this trip....The other fellow was never caught- as he took off running while I had my hands full trying to take the guy with the pipe into custody-- the Dutch guy was caught by my backup, that caught him running down an alley still trying to get his bib overalls up....All I know about the one that got away was he was Latino looking and that the others said he was an illegal Mexican too--Forall I know, he could be still in the country looking for more "women to share".....If I find him I'll send him north, Jason- since you seem to have all the answers on how to reform these types :wink: :roll: :lol:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
A program on talk radio today said that the Hells Angels are the top priority for police and more of a concern then Asian gangs.

have the asian gangs piss off the hells angels....then the police can focus on other crime, let the two gangs wipe each other out!
 

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