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The Barack Obama We Hardly Know

Mike

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The Barack Obama We Hardly Know
Monday , October 27, 2008

By John R. Lott Jr.
Is Barack Obama a socialist? A Marxist? It is hard to believe that question could even be seriously asked of a major party political candidate.

Nevertheless, there have been a few times that voters have gotten a glimpse of Obama in unguarded moments. Glimmers that remind me of the left-wing academic whom I ran into a number of times while we were both at the University of Chicago Law School.

— When Charlie Gibson asked Obama in April why he supported higher capital gains taxes, even if that meant less government revenue and thus less money to give to those Obama wants to help, Obama didn’t challenge Gibson’s claim. Instead he said: “I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”

— In the middle of October, when speaking to “Joe the Plumber,” Obama justified higher taxes this way:

"It is not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”

— A bombshell was released this weekend when a copy of an interview by Obama on WBEZ-FM, Chicago Public Radio, from 2001 was found (bold italics added):

"The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society ... and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that. ... I think that you can craft legal theoretical justifications for it legally, any three of us here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts."

Class warfare rhetoric is one thing. But as Obama’s comments to Charlie Gibson indicate, Obama disapproves of the very notion that people should be successful. Why is making the wealthy poorer “fairness,” even when the poor also get less money? The goal is not to help the poor, it's to keep the wealthy from getting too much. It is apparently better that everyone be poorer than it is to have everyone have more money but a greater dispersion of income.

How is simply giving people money a way to make sure that they “have a chance for success too”? Obama might end up giving people who currently aren’t paying taxes even more money than they currently get from the Earned Income Tax Credit. But he will be doing so at a real cost: he is creating a high effective marginal tax rate that will keep them poor and keep them dependent on the government largess.

Obama’s tax credits are phased out as people earn higher incomes — that is, the government takes money away from you as your income goes up. Someone earning an extra dollar at $40,000 will find that income taxes alone will take 40 cents from that dollar.

Obama’s old comments from WBEZ seem impossible to ignore. Put aside that Obama obviously doesn’t believe that affirmative action represents redistributive justice. Saying that the Supreme Court “never ventured” into “redistribution of wealth” rules that out.

Obama’s constant theme is of transferring wealth, to “spread it around.”

There is so much else beyond his statements. Obama surrounded himself with people who were socialists and communists. Obama’s minister of 20 years, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright with his black liberation theology, a religion described as turning “Jesus into a black Marxist rebel.” Father Michael Pfleger, another Obama spiritual adviser, is also quite leftist. And his associate William Ayers apparently told an author, who was writing a book on 1960s radicals shortly before the foundation was set up in 1995, that “I’m a radical, leftist, small ‘c’ communist.”

In April Obama was caught on tape telling San Francisco donors, in a meeting that was closed to the press, that “it’s not surprising then they get bitter, [small town Pennsylvanians] cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” It was a very elitist left-wing statement. But the despising of people turning to religion is certainly something held in common by those on the far left.

During the presidential campaign Obama’s past positions have generally been ignored. Why wasn’t there one single question during the debates as to why Obama has so radically changed his positions on so many issues within just a few months?

Who is Obama going to put on the Supreme Court? With Democrats controlling a filibuster-proof Senate, will we be seeing the most extreme left-wing academics in law schools fill up the courts?



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John Lott is the author of Freedomnomics and a senior research scholar at the University of Maryland.
 

Blkbuckaroo

Well-known member
How many people on this board are Black and have lived in pennsylvania,raise your hand,i'm raising my hand.Lived there from 83'to 86 straight from SanFran.Went to junior high there,and can truthfully say that's where i learned about racisim.I unlike Obama don't have a problem with anyone holding on to religion and guns, need them .But there is some truth to what he's saying,can remember being in a cafe one day with my mom and hearing a conversation in the next booth,of folks talking about how us african americans have never contributed anything to this country,you know us that help build this country in slavery and bondage for 450 years.And are behind in Education and land Aquasition 450 YEARS.Remember my first day of school there,walking to my first class,and low and behold,there was a group of about 15 kids in a circle,lots of other kids around shouting and upon further inspection there's a little black kid,later to become a good friend of mine,being pushed around by all these bullys and being called names i won't repeat on this board,soon as they saw me they said here's another one,but i ain't no push over.Went over there and grab that kid by the arm and pulled him outta' that lynch mob,and ask who want's some one on one action.No takers.They said we'll meet you at the arcade,they never showed up.One of about 15 blacks in a 3000 kid school system,it was sometimes intimidating,but can truthfully say many more good folks then bad.Where i first got in to FFA ,so at least i got something out of that place,Penn state,Penn.And iv'e got many more stories to that degree,i know from experience about pennsylvania,i don't come here clipping articles or pointing unnessary fingers i lived it in real time.Some times when you come from a small place you can get small minded.Cause you can't get to know anyone different then yourself.Don't try and rile people up over things you have'nt personnally experienced!Won't even go into the the dummy with a noose hanging from a street light in Boalsburg,PA that said chinamen keepout,1986.Nogh said.
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
Buckaroo I'm sure there are many with similiar stories. I was raised in the "pre civil rights" era and saw what happened even that recently. Your people have now had well over 40 years of opportunity. That's 3 generations in some cases. Some have done exceptionally well. Others are no different than in the '50. But those won't ever chance nor will their offspring unless they are self motivating. Anyway, thanks for the story, glad you made it thru and hopefully you are living your dreams.
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
Blkbuckaroo said:
How many people on this board are Black and have lived in pennsylvania,raise your hand,i'm raising my hand.Lived there from 83'to 86 straight from SanFran.Went to junior high there,and can truthfully say that's where i learned about racisim.I unlike Obama don't have a problem with anyone holding on to religion and guns, need them .But there is some truth to what he's saying,can remember being in a cafe one day with my mom and hearing a conversation in the next booth,of folks talking about how us african americans have never contributed anything to this country,you know us that help build this country in slavery and bondage for 450 years.And are behind in Education and land Aquasition 450 YEARS.Remember my first day of school there,walking to my first class,and low and behold,there was a group of about 15 kids in a circle,lots of other kids around shouting and upon further inspection there's a little black kid,later to become a good friend of mine,being pushed around by all these bullys and being called names i won't repeat on this board,soon as they saw me they said here's another one,but i ain't no push over.Went over there and grab that kid by the arm and pulled him outta' that lynch mob,and ask who want's some one on one action.No takers.They said we'll meet you at the arcade,they never showed up.One of about 15 blacks in a 3000 kid school system,it was sometimes intimidating,but can truthfully say many more good folks then bad.Where i first got in to FFA ,so at least i got something out of that place,Penn state,Penn.And iv'e got many more stories to that degree,i know from experience about pennsylvania,i don't come here clipping articles or pointing unnessary fingers i lived it in real time.Some times when you come from a small place you can get small minded.Cause you can't get to know anyone different then yourself.Don't try and rile people up over things you have'nt personnally experienced!Won't even go into the the dummy with a noose hanging from a street light in Boalsburg,PA that said chinamen keepout,1986.Nogh said.

Blkbuckaroo,
I'm sorry you had that experience and I applaud you for standing up, sadly I don't believe PA is the only place that people feel that way, and I do believe it happens to all races to varying degrees at times. I do have a question for you and I am being very sincere and I will not judge you right or wrong for your answer if you choose not to answer, thats fine with me? Do you think that reparations should be paid to black people in the US for slavery?
 

Yocal

Member
I agree that mike does a lot of "clipping arcticles". It almost seems like he's just riding the coattails of political figures with no say of his own. :wink:
 

mrj

Well-known member
Yocal, maybe it means he's capable of clipping and pasting articles that state his views.......it has to be faster than researching (to support viewpoints) and typing ones own thoughts.

Blkbuckaroo, while none who are not of your race can experience exactly what you did, it is not at all uncommon for kids of the same race, who are somehow 'different' to experience the same form of bullying....in any size school. Whether that difference is being a farm kid coming into a town school, wearing different styled clothing, or any other thing bullies can see to make someone a target.

My point is, those kids seize on ANYTHING that is different, not only race. It may or may not be something they learn at home and IMO, is at least as likely to be because they have the 'bully' personality. That has been recognized, finally, as a serious problem and while bullies need to be prevented from their attacks, some also need, and respond favorably to, therapy or even simple discussion of the problem.

Something in favor of "small places" is that there are more likely to be teachers or administrators on those playgrounds who WILL stop such bullying.

I'm not dismissing what happened to you and others, only stating such behaviors are not always race motivated, and that results can be very similar if not identical, in how they make the intended victims and perpetrators feel. Also in the danger involved. And none of it should be tolerated.

Point of possible interest: SD has had many black people who homesteaded here and in the experience of many, they have been treated no differently than any one else in the community, going back to before 1900. Even in the day of Lewis and Clark exporations, the black man with them was treated the same as his white companions and master, if a bit as a novelty by the Natives they encountered.

mrj
 

Blkbuckaroo

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
Blkbuckaroo said:
How many people on this board are Black and have lived in pennsylvania,raise your hand,i'm raising my hand.Lived there from 83'to 86 straight from SanFran.Went to junior high there,and can truthfully say that's where i learned about racisim.I unlike Obama don't have a problem with anyone holding on to religion and guns, need them .But there is some truth to what he's saying,can remember being in a cafe one day with my mom and hearing a conversation in the next booth,of folks talking about how us african americans have never contributed anything to this country,you know us that help build this country in slavery and bondage for 450 years.And are behind in Education and land Aquasition 450 YEARS.Remember my first day of school there,walking to my first class,and low and behold,there was a group of about 15 kids in a circle,lots of other kids around shouting and upon further inspection there's a little black kid,later to become a good friend of mine,being pushed around by all these bullys and being called names i won't repeat on this board,soon as they saw me they said here's another one,but i ain't no push over.Went over there and grab that kid by the arm and pulled him outta' that lynch mob,and ask who want's some one on one action.No takers.They said we'll meet you at the arcade,they never showed up.One of about 15 blacks in a 3000 kid school system,it was sometimes intimidating,but can truthfully say many more good folks then bad.Where i first got in to FFA ,so at least i got something out of that place,Penn state,Penn.And iv'e got many more stories to that degree,i know from experience about pennsylvania,i don't come here clipping articles or pointing unnessary fingers i lived it in real time.Some times when you come from a small place you can get small minded.Cause you can't get to know anyone different then yourself.Don't try and rile people up over things you have'nt personnally experienced!Won't even go into the the dummy with a noose hanging from a street light in Boalsburg,PA that said chinamen keepout,1986.Nogh said.

Blkbuckaroo,
I'm sorry you had that experience and I applaud you for standing up, sadly I don't believe PA is the only place that people feel that way, and I do believe it happens to all races to varying degrees at times. I do have a question for you and I am being very sincere and I will not judge you right or wrong for your answer if you choose not to answer, thats fine with me? Do you think that reparations should be paid to black people in the US for slavery?
Firstly i would like to say i'm glad to live in the best country in the world.God bless America,no matter what our past history is,we have the chance to progress and become better.Texas-40 years seems like alot to some but how old is this country?I would say that i've grown up in a predominatlly caucasion communities living rurally and thus have been able to aquire some skills and education they have'nt gotten,so my views are'nt as extreme as that of blacks that have'nt been afforded the oppurtunity that i've had,how ever small they may have been.i never lived in the projects,but i did live down the street for a period of my life,so i know from which i speak.In my personal family all my uncles,aunts,cousins,grandfolks,mother of course have pulled them selves out of the trenches of poverty,and never complained about,just took action and made something of thier lives.I've had good role models,which alot of blackmen don't have.So i'm lucky in that aspect.I to have pulled myself up by my own bootstraps,everything i have i can proudly say i've worked for,a few cows ,some horses,trailers,trucks,tractors,land etc,no handouts,no welfare to this cowboy.None.Although i admit to getting and giving a hand up,along the way,who has'nt.I some times look at my black brothers and sisters"general speaking" sittin' on welfare and think,get your asses in gear damnit,time to get off your butts and stop complaining,it ain't working,and it reflects badly on those of us that are doing something about our situation.As far a reparations,i've often thought about it,Native americans got land and casinos,some blacks might like a paycheck or 50 acres and a mule,LOL!,there's some humor to this,has to be,but the only reparation i want is the respect of a man that works hard for his family and community,regerdless of his skin color.I know past history,and don't want it repeated in any way, shape or form.Side note,my lovely wife whom happens to be white also saw lots of discrimination from blacks while in San Fran,so i know it goes both ways.I don't care if you don't agree with me on politics,but anyone on this board who want' s to be a friend,i put my hand out in friendship,i have alot of friends that are conservatives,and i'm conservative on some issues,but we never let that ruin or friendship,at the end of the day,we just agree to disagree and crack a cold one!Cheers.
 

Blkbuckaroo

Well-known member
mrj said:
Yocal, maybe it means he's capable of clipping and pasting articles that state his views.......it has to be faster than researching (to support viewpoints) and typing ones own thoughts.

Blkbuckaroo, while none who are not of your race can experience exactly what you did, it is not at all uncommon for kids of the same race, who are somehow 'different' to experience the same form of bullying....in any size school. Whether that difference is being a farm kid coming into a town school, wearing different styled clothing, or any other thing bullies can see to make someone a target.

My point is, those kids seize on ANYTHING that is different, not only race. It may or may not be something they learn at home and IMO, is at least as likely to be because they have the 'bully' personality. That has been recognized, finally, as a serious problem and while bullies need to be prevented from their attacks, some also need, and respond favorably to, therapy or even simple discussion of the problem.

Something in favor of "small places" is that there are more likely to be teachers or administrators on those playgrounds who WILL stop such bullying.

I'm not dismissing what happened to you and others, only stating such behaviors are not always race motivated, and that results can be very similar if not identical, in how they make the intended victims and perpetrators feel. Also in the danger involved. And none of it should be tolerated.

Point of possible interest: SD has had many black people who homesteaded here and in the experience of many, they have been treated no differently than any one else in the community, going back to before 1900. Even in the day of Lewis and Clark exporations, the black man with them was treated the same as his white companions and master, if a bit as a novelty by the Natives they encountered.

mrj
I agree,it's not always race related.Thanks for weighing in on this everyone,i'm not here for pity or the hard sell,i just read that and it struck a chord with me.Oh by the way his name was "YORK".
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
Blkbuckaroo said:
Yanuck said:
Blkbuckaroo said:
How many people on this board are Black and have lived in pennsylvania,raise your hand,i'm raising my hand.Lived there from 83'to 86 straight from SanFran.Went to junior high there,and can truthfully say that's where i learned about racisim.I unlike Obama don't have a problem with anyone holding on to religion and guns, need them .But there is some truth to what he's saying,can remember being in a cafe one day with my mom and hearing a conversation in the next booth,of folks talking about how us african americans have never contributed anything to this country,you know us that help build this country in slavery and bondage for 450 years.And are behind in Education and land Aquasition 450 YEARS.Remember my first day of school there,walking to my first class,and low and behold,there was a group of about 15 kids in a circle,lots of other kids around shouting and upon further inspection there's a little black kid,later to become a good friend of mine,being pushed around by all these bullys and being called names i won't repeat on this board,soon as they saw me they said here's another one,but i ain't no push over.Went over there and grab that kid by the arm and pulled him outta' that lynch mob,and ask who want's some one on one action.No takers.They said we'll meet you at the arcade,they never showed up.One of about 15 blacks in a 3000 kid school system,it was sometimes intimidating,but can truthfully say many more good folks then bad.Where i first got in to FFA ,so at least i got something out of that place,Penn state,Penn.And iv'e got many more stories to that degree,i know from experience about pennsylvania,i don't come here clipping articles or pointing unnessary fingers i lived it in real time.Some times when you come from a small place you can get small minded.Cause you can't get to know anyone different then yourself.Don't try and rile people up over things you have'nt personnally experienced!Won't even go into the the dummy with a noose hanging from a street light in Boalsburg,PA that said chinamen keepout,1986.Nogh said.

Blkbuckaroo,
I'm sorry you had that experience and I applaud you for standing up, sadly I don't believe PA is the only place that people feel that way, and I do believe it happens to all races to varying degrees at times. I do have a question for you and I am being very sincere and I will not judge you right or wrong for your answer if you choose not to answer, thats fine with me? Do you think that reparations should be paid to black people in the US for slavery?
Firstly i would like to say i'm glad to live in the best country in the world.God bless America,no matter what our past history is,we have the chance to progress and become better.Texas-40 years seems like alot to some but how old is this country?I would say that i've grown up in a predominatlly caucasion communities living rurally and thus have been able to aquire some skills and education they have'nt gotten,so my views are'nt as extreme as that of blacks that have'nt been afforded the oppurtunity that i've had,how ever small they may have been.i never lived in the projects,but i did live down the street for a period of my life,so i know from which i speak.In my personal family all my uncles,aunts,cousins,grandfolks,mother of course have pulled them selves out of the trenches of poverty,and never complained about,just took action and made something of thier lives.I've had good role models,which alot of blackmen don't have.So i'm lucky in that aspect.I to have pulled myself up by my own bootstraps,everything i have i can proudly say i've worked for,a few cows ,some horses,trailers,trucks,tractors,land etc,no handouts,no welfare to this cowboy.None.Although i admit to getting and giving a hand up,along the way,who has'nt.I some times look at my black brothers and sisters"general speaking" sittin' on welfare and think,get your asses in gear damnit,time to get off your butts and stop complaining,it ain't working,and it reflects badly on those of us that are doing something about our situation.As far a reparations,i've often thought about it,Native americans got land and casinos,some blacks might like a paycheck or 50 acres and a mule,LOL!,there's some humor to this,has to be,but the only reparation i want is the respect of a man that works hard for his family and community,regerdless of his skin color.I know past history,and don't want it repeated in any way, shape or form.Side note,my lovely wife whom happens to be white also saw lots of discrimination from blacks while in San Fran,so i know it goes both ways.I don't care if you don't agree with me on politics,but anyone on this board who want' s to be a friend,i put my hand out in friendship,i have alot of friends that are conservatives,and i'm conservative on some issues,but we never let that ruin or friendship,at the end of the day,we just agree to disagree and crack a cold one!Cheers.
Thanks for your answer, I appreciate the frankness of it, and you're right, political beliefs shouldn't come between friends...I like Mike's Hard Lemonade if you're buying!!! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
Blkbuckaroo said:
Yanuck said:
Blkbuckaroo said:
How many people on this board are Black and have lived in pennsylvania,raise your hand,i'm raising my hand.Lived there from 83'to 86 straight from SanFran.Went to junior high there,and can truthfully say that's where i learned about racisim.I unlike Obama don't have a problem with anyone holding on to religion and guns, need them .But there is some truth to what he's saying,can remember being in a cafe one day with my mom and hearing a conversation in the next booth,of folks talking about how us african americans have never contributed anything to this country,you know us that help build this country in slavery and bondage for 450 years.And are behind in Education and land Aquasition 450 YEARS.Remember my first day of school there,walking to my first class,and low and behold,there was a group of about 15 kids in a circle,lots of other kids around shouting and upon further inspection there's a little black kid,later to become a good friend of mine,being pushed around by all these bullys and being called names i won't repeat on this board,soon as they saw me they said here's another one,but i ain't no push over.Went over there and grab that kid by the arm and pulled him outta' that lynch mob,and ask who want's some one on one action.No takers.They said we'll meet you at the arcade,they never showed up.One of about 15 blacks in a 3000 kid school system,it was sometimes intimidating,but can truthfully say many more good folks then bad.Where i first got in to FFA ,so at least i got something out of that place,Penn state,Penn.And iv'e got many more stories to that degree,i know from experience about pennsylvania,i don't come here clipping articles or pointing unnessary fingers i lived it in real time.Some times when you come from a small place you can get small minded.Cause you can't get to know anyone different then yourself.Don't try and rile people up over things you have'nt personnally experienced!Won't even go into the the dummy with a noose hanging from a street light in Boalsburg,PA that said chinamen keepout,1986.Nogh said.

Blkbuckaroo,
I'm sorry you had that experience and I applaud you for standing up, sadly I don't believe PA is the only place that people feel that way, and I do believe it happens to all races to varying degrees at times. I do have a question for you and I am being very sincere and I will not judge you right or wrong for your answer if you choose not to answer, thats fine with me? Do you think that reparations should be paid to black people in the US for slavery?
Firstly i would like to say i'm glad to live in the best country in the world.God bless America,no matter what our past history is,we have the chance to progress and become better.Texas-40 years seems like alot to some but how old is this country?I would say that i've grown up in a predominatlly caucasion communities living rurally and thus have been able to aquire some skills and education they have'nt gotten,so my views are'nt as extreme as that of blacks that have'nt been afforded the oppurtunity that i've had,how ever small they may have been.i never lived in the projects,but i did live down the street for a period of my life,so i know from which i speak.In my personal family all my uncles,aunts,cousins,grandfolks,mother of course have pulled them selves out of the trenches of poverty,and never complained about,just took action and made something of thier lives.I've had good role models,which alot of blackmen don't have.So i'm lucky in that aspect.I to have pulled myself up by my own bootstraps,everything i have i can proudly say i've worked for,a few cows ,some horses,trailers,trucks,tractors,land etc,no handouts,no welfare to this cowboy.None.Although i admit to getting and giving a hand up,along the way,who has'nt.I some times look at my black brothers and sisters"general speaking" sittin' on welfare and think,get your asses in gear damnit,time to get off your butts and stop complaining,it ain't working,and it reflects badly on those of us that are doing something about our situation.As far a reparations,i've often thought about it,Native americans got land and casinos,some blacks might like a paycheck or 50 acres and a mule,LOL!,there's some humor to this,has to be,but the only reparation i want is the respect of a man that works hard for his family and community,regerdless of his skin color.I know past history,and don't want it repeated in any way, shape or form.Side note,my lovely wife whom happens to be white also saw lots of discrimination from blacks while in San Fran,so i know it goes both ways.I don't care if you don't agree with me on politics,but anyone on this board who want' s to be a friend,i put my hand out in friendship,i have alot of friends that are conservatives,and i'm conservative on some issues,but we never let that ruin or friendship,at the end of the day,we just agree to disagree and crack a cold one!Cheers.

Buck...well said. My hat is off to you. Best wishes :wink:
 

Blkbuckaroo

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
Blkbuckaroo said:
Yanuck said:
Blkbuckaroo,
I'm sorry you had that experience and I applaud you for standing up, sadly I don't believe PA is the only place that people feel that way, and I do believe it happens to all races to varying degrees at times. I do have a question for you and I am being very sincere and I will not judge you right or wrong for your answer if you choose not to answer, thats fine with me? Do you think that reparations should be paid to black people in the US for slavery?
Firstly i would like to say i'm glad to live in the best country in the world.God bless America,no matter what our past history is,we have the chance to progress and become better.Texas-40 years seems like alot to some but how old is this country?I would say that i've grown up in a predominatlly caucasion communities living rurally and thus have been able to aquire some skills and education they have'nt gotten,so my views are'nt as extreme as that of blacks that have'nt been afforded the oppurtunity that i've had,how ever small they may have been.i never lived in the projects,but i did live down the street for a period of my life,so i know from which i speak.In my personal family all my uncles,aunts,cousins,grandfolks,mother of course have pulled them selves out of the trenches of poverty,and never complained about,just took action and made something of thier lives.I've had good role models,which alot of blackmen don't have.So i'm lucky in that aspect.I to have pulled myself up by my own bootstraps,everything i have i can proudly say i've worked for,a few cows ,some horses,trailers,trucks,tractors,land etc,no handouts,no welfare to this cowboy.None.Although i admit to getting and giving a hand up,along the way,who has'nt.I some times look at my black brothers and sisters"general speaking" sittin' on welfare and think,get your asses in gear damnit,time to get off your butts and stop complaining,it ain't working,and it reflects badly on those of us that are doing something about our situation.As far a reparations,i've often thought about it,Native americans got land and casinos,some blacks might like a paycheck or 50 acres and a mule,LOL!,there's some humor to this,has to be,but the only reparation i want is the respect of a man that works hard for his family and community,regerdless of his skin color.I know past history,and don't want it repeated in any way, shape or form.Side note,my lovely wife whom happens to be white also saw lots of discrimination from blacks while in San Fran,so i know it goes both ways.I don't care if you don't agree with me on politics,but anyone on this board who want' s to be a friend,i put my hand out in friendship,i have alot of friends that are conservatives,and i'm conservative on some issues,but we never let that ruin or friendship,at the end of the day,we just agree to disagree and crack a cold one!Cheers.
Thanks for your answer, I appreciate the frankness of it, and you're right, political beliefs shouldn't come between friends...I like Mike's Hard Lemonade if you're buying!!! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm buying for sure! :tiphat:
 

Blkbuckaroo

Well-known member
TexasBred said:
Blkbuckaroo said:
Yanuck said:
Blkbuckaroo,
I'm sorry you had that experience and I applaud you for standing up, sadly I don't believe PA is the only place that people feel that way, and I do believe it happens to all races to varying degrees at times. I do have a question for you and I am being very sincere and I will not judge you right or wrong for your answer if you choose not to answer, thats fine with me? Do you think that reparations should be paid to black people in the US for slavery?
Firstly i would like to say i'm glad to live in the best country in the world.God bless America,no matter what our past history is,we have the chance to progress and become better.Texas-40 years seems like alot to some but how old is this country?I would say that i've grown up in a predominatlly caucasion communities living rurally and thus have been able to aquire some skills and education they have'nt gotten,so my views are'nt as extreme as that of blacks that have'nt been afforded the oppurtunity that i've had,how ever small they may have been.i never lived in the projects,but i did live down the street for a period of my life,so i know from which i speak.In my personal family all my uncles,aunts,cousins,grandfolks,mother of course have pulled them selves out of the trenches of poverty,and never complained about,just took action and made something of thier lives.I've had good role models,which alot of blackmen don't have.So i'm lucky in that aspect.I to have pulled myself up by my own bootstraps,everything i have i can proudly say i've worked for,a few cows ,some horses,trailers,trucks,tractors,land etc,no handouts,no welfare to this cowboy.None.Although i admit to getting and giving a hand up,along the way,who has'nt.I some times look at my black brothers and sisters"general speaking" sittin' on welfare and think,get your asses in gear damnit,time to get off your butts and stop complaining,it ain't working,and it reflects badly on those of us that are doing something about our situation.As far a reparations,i've often thought about it,Native americans got land and casinos,some blacks might like a paycheck or 50 acres and a mule,LOL!,there's some humor to this,has to be,but the only reparation i want is the respect of a man that works hard for his family and community,regerdless of his skin color.I know past history,and don't want it repeated in any way, shape or form.Side note,my lovely wife whom happens to be white also saw lots of discrimination from blacks while in San Fran,so i know it goes both ways.I don't care if you don't agree with me on politics,but anyone on this board who want' s to be a friend,i put my hand out in friendship,i have alot of friends that are conservatives,and i'm conservative on some issues,but we never let that ruin or friendship,at the end of the day,we just agree to disagree and crack a cold one!Cheers.

Buck...well said. My hat is off to you. Best wishes :wink:
Thanks Texas,that means alot to me,really. :cboy:
 

backhoeboogie

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Buckaroo my acadian lines have a half black named Peveto in the late 1700's. In order for him to be "half", there had to have been a whole behind him :D We have no idea who it was and can't find out.

One of my great grandmothers was bought off of the reservation. She cost many blankets and horses. She was a beautiful woman. Full blood Native American. I have another line on Native Americans a bit father back.

I can only get back about 150 years my melungeon ancestor line and no farther. It seems names were changed to avoid persecution.

I am familiar with Plecker's list.

I am simply a long time descendant in the American melting pot.

Most of the black/white racism I witness personally involves blacks who hate whites. There is not as much racial tension here as there is in East Texas where I also own some land. There is a lot of tension there.

Anyway, my opposition to Obama has nothing to do with race, for what it is worth.

The racism I am most familiar with is against Mexican Americans. Some are descended from families that fought right along side my ancestors in the Alamo and San Jacinto. They are as much American and Texan as I am. I strongly resent northerners coming in and referring to these families as less than the rest of us. Most of them have lineage in this country that is much longer than the ones criticizing them. They also get associated with those who are here illegally. There is a big difference between the two.
 

Blkbuckaroo

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backhoeboogie said:
Buckaroo my acadian lines have a half black named Peveto in the late 1700's. In order for him to be "half", there had to have been a whole behind him :D We have no idea who it was and can't find out.

One of my great grandmothers was bought off of the reservation. She cost many blankets and horses. She was a beautiful woman. Full blood Native American. I have another line on Native Americans a bit father back.

I can only get back about 150 years my melungeon ancestor line and no farther. It seems names were changed to avoid persecution.

I am familiar with Plecker's list.

I am simply a long time descendant in the American melting pot.

Most of the black/white racism I witness personally involves blacks who hate whites. There is not as much racial tension here as there is in East Texas where I also own some land. There is a lot of tension there.

Anyway, my opposition to Obama has nothing to do with race, for what it is worth.

The racism I am most familiar with is against Mexican Americans. Some are descended from families that fought right along side my ancestors in the Alamo and San Jacinto. They are as much American and Texan as I am. I strongly resent northerners coming in and referring to these families as less than the rest of us. Most of them have lineage in this country that is much longer than the ones criticizing them. They also get associated with those who are here illegally. There is a big difference between the two.
Mr,Boogie,good to hear from ya'.Wow there is so much i can say on this,Most of the black cowboys i know are from Texas,Oklahoma,louisiana-where some of my heritage is from,and kansas.I've got some cherokee,blackfoot,and seminole indian in my blood also mixed with a little scotch irish,and creole so i know about being a melting pot.Most are from around houston,and i generally see pics of them at rodeo and brandings right along side their white counterparts,so that surprises me a little?I have'nt spent anytime in the south so i don't know.Mexican americans that were born in the states and legal mexican americans immigrants,get a bad rap because of illegals,and that's shameful,i don't condone illegal aliens,if you come,come legally,there's alot of work the common american won't do,and we can certainly use there help in that regard,just don't come into the country breaking the law.Although at one time some of these territories were theirs.Most of the latinos around here are legal hard workers doing ag and forest work most blacks and whites won't do,and they make damn good food! :p was raised on burritos,enchiladas,etc.Blacks and latinos have had some strife between the two groups,primarily fighting for second seating in this countries hiarchy,so occasionally that comes into play.I have a great respect for some parts of latino culture. Vaqueros and charros predated the american cowboy on the range by 400 years.This country is comparitively young in contrast to every other continent so there's lots of work to do were race relations are concerned.Not to say that race relations in other countries is better,it's not.As far as voting,always vote your beliefs.Have a good night my friend.
 

backhoeboogie

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Blkbuckaroo said:
Wow there is so much i can say on this,Most of the black cowboys i know are from Texas,Oklahoma,louisiana-where some of my heritage is from,and kansas.

Well I hope you keep saying it, because I for one, am enjoying your words.

Anyone who knows anything about history is very familiar with black cowboys and their contributions to this industry.
 

hopalong

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Yocal said:
I agree that mike does a lot of "clipping arcticles". It almost seems like he's just riding the coattails of political figures with no say of his own. :wink:

Kind of like oldtimer and fff huh LOL :D :D :D
 
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