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The Big Lie in the Pet Industry

PORKER

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As read in http://www.petconnection.com/blog/ Pet-food recall: Again, the numbers
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The Associated Press continues to report 16 dead pets, without even mentioning the possibility that there are hundreds if not thousands more. So does Newsweek, in this otherwise excellent piece on how to feed pets, featuring the esteemed Dr. Tony Buffington of the Ohio State University College of Veterinary Medicine.

So far, both the Animal Medical Center (the “Mayo Clinic” of veterinary hospitals) and Banfield The Pet Hospital, with more than 600 locations all connected by a central database, have both gone on the record saying there could be thousands of pets sickened or killed by recalled food.

So what’s up, AP?

This afternoon, we got an e-mail from a person in the news department of a radio station, who pointed out to his boss that other media — such as USA Today and ABC News — have been reporting a potentially much higher death rate, and asked to change the AP’s “rip-and-read” radio copy. He was told he could not, and until the AP decides to do more than parrot the FDA line, the story will remain largely under-reported. That means it will soon die.

From tomorrow’s edition of USA Today, now up on its Web site:

The Food and Drug Administration has received more than 4,400 calls from pet owners about the recalled, contaminated dog and cat food that has reportedly sickened and injured animals across the USA.

But the agency has yet to follow up on the calls, so it doesn’t know how many represent sick animals or simply concerned owners, says Stephen Sundlof, director of FDA’s Center for Veterinary Medicine.

Many pet owners are questioning the reported number of animals that have died from consuming contaminated pet food found in some of the more than 60 million recalled cans and pouches.

Menu Foods, which produced the food, has listed 16 deaths: 15 cats and one dog. The FDA is listing only 14 confirmed dead.

[…]

There are still questions about how many animals have died. With no national reporting system for animal injury or death, official numbers are impossible to come by.

However, data from the nation’s largest chain of pet hospitals, Banfield, suggest it is as high as hundreds a week during the three months the food was on the market.

During that time, the more than 600 Banfield hospitals in 43 states saw 200 to 250 cases of kidney failure in cats above the usual number that would have been expected, says Hugh Lewis, president of Data Savant, Banfield’s data collection arm.

During that period, Banfield vets saw 100,000 cats. Extrapolating to the entire cat population of the USA, that could mean “we’re probably talking several hundred cats a week across the country being affected,” Lewis says.

Our self-reported database, by the way, is now reporting 1,716 dead pets as of 9 p.m. PT.
I honestly have to wonder: Would the Associated Press accept only official government information if the deaths were people? Is this because these are “just pets”?

As long as the AP continues to report only 15 dead pets, the story will not be taken seriously. And that means there will be little interest in changes.

Report your pet’s loss to the FDA. Also, ask your veterinarian to report your pet’s loss to the state veterinarian for reporting to the FDA. Additionally, if your pet has eaten one of the recalled foods and become sick, add your pet to our database.

And yes, Menu Foods has now recalled all of its previously recalled labels, regardless of manufacturing date. Here’s a longer explanation of why, from the American Veterinary Medical Association. The AVMA says it’s not because foods beyond the recall range are suspected of being tainted, but because it’s easier to pull entire brands off the shelves instead of checking each can or pouch. In any case: Don’t buy or feed these brands, regardless of manufacture date.

Bottom line: We want your pet to be counted, everywhere. And we want your pet’s death to count for something, in hopes that in realizing the true scope of the problem changes will be made so something like this is less likely to happen again.
 

Mike

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The only reason this interests me is that the same thing could happen in food animal feed, or even the human food supply.

We've got way too many little "Fi Fi's" running around anyway!
 

PORKER

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Wheat gluten is the concentrated form of the protein contained in wheat flour. It is traditionally used to make baked goods and pet food. In modified form, it may be used as a meat extender, egg substitute, or an ingredient in the production of biodegradable plastics. In 2000, The U.S. wheat gluten industry operated facilities in Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, and Iowa, and produced 176 million pounds of wheat gluten.
 

PORKER

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Didn't we just have a WIS + other states recall of Blood meal and Canada has had two recalls, one west and one east with Suspect SMR material.But thats not going to be enough. It is time to demand accountability of FEED Manufactures.
 

PORKER

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A shipment of wheat gluten, which is used in human and pet food, became contaminated.

The FDA thinks it is confident the same shipments of wheat gluten used by Menu Foods did not enter the human food supply.

"We have been able to track shipments of that product, and the only place it has gone is into pet foods. It has not gone other places," Sundlof said.

When pressed for the name of the broker involved in marketing the gluten, or the name of the manufacturer, he said it came from "several sources, both foreign and domestic."

Paul Henderson, chief executive of Ontario, Canada-based Menu Foods, confirmed Friday that the wheat gluten was purchased from China.
CNANGING STORIES NOW?
 

PORKER

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The Tainted Wheat Coverup at FDA, Guised as a "Pet Food Recall"
by AmericanRiverCanyon
Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 08:28:36 AM PDT
Dailykos diary author iconoclastic cat http://www.dailykos.com/... just asked us... The Tainted Wheat Gluten..., Are We Eating It Too? After over 2 weeks of the Pet Food Scandal

The horror of watching a formerly healthy pet die, or reading about perhaps hundreds of other pets dying, because of a mistake or greed or both of a pet food manufacturer is hard to bear, but many other people have been asking this question in the back of their own minds... after all, pet food is touted as being even more nutritious and tasty and carefully made than our own food... so what if....

make the jump with me now as I expand my reply comment to iconoclastic cat, with links.

AmericanRiverCanyon's diary :: ::
March, 2007, in the Bush Administration. Pets are dying. Pet food is being recalled. The suspected ingredient is imported wheat gluten, contaminated with melamine.

Previous diaries on this topic include:
SusanHu's excellent "FDA's Weak Food Inspections are Bush's Fault" http://www.dailykos.com/...
Goldy at HorsesAss' diary on the tainted gluten http://www.dailykos.com/...
jhritz's has been all over this story. with "Hill's Dry Cat food, Alpo Dog Food, Join Recall" http://www.dailykos.com/...

How can this be? It sounds like a bad fiction story again. Dog food doesn't have wheat in it, does it? Cats too? Cats dying from eating formica product crystals?

Wheat Gluten, the protein extracted from the wheat kernel, is indeed used heavily by processed food manufacturers of human foods. Because I don't eat it, I'm slightly "more aware than the average bear" when it comes to having this knowlege of just how many of our American food products HAVE the stuff. Besides being used in many baked goods to add texture, and obviously bread, it's in iced tea mix, vanilla powder, cereals like honey bunches of oats, some ketchups, canned soups, beef jerkey, BBQ spice rubs, lunchmeat, processed cheese, flavored yogurts, sauces, gravies, some artificial sweeteners, flavored tofu, candy bars, it's injected into your thanksgiving turkey, it's in manufactured salad dressing, TV dinners, butter sauces at restaurants, many canned spaghetti sauces, meatloaf fillers, au jus sauce on prime rib, etc.

You're thinking of trying to gulp... avoid this stuff? Welcome to my world !

Of course, pet food manufacturers now also use many different grain byproducts left over from other uses to act as cheap filler in pet foods. Corn distiller's mash from alcohol production, rice bran from rice hulls, and wheat gluten in the form of modified food starches to give some stickiness to sauces and gravies, or gluten protein powder in jerkey chews. Oh, how we love to feed our pets little chunks of meat in gravy. Or at least the pet food advertisers try to convince us our pets would love to be eating something that had been made to have that appearance.

Now, imagine if you're the FDA, and you have an imported tainted gluten problem. Would you be eager to share that problem with the American Consumer, given that ....gulp... incomplete list I just made up off the top of my head? Or would you be feeling some Republican Reluctance to broadcast this? This could be... expensive.

After over 8000 calls about sick pets,the FDA this weekend finally issued an Import Alert, #99- 26, a stop and detention on the importation of wheat gluten from the Xuzhou Anying Biological Development Company, China, due to the presence of melamine. http://www.fda.gov/...

The Xuzhou Anying's Bio. Dev. Company's website is here http://www.xzay.com/...
In case it goes down, they say they produce and export "biologic feed, feed additive, wheat gluten meal, fresh preserved vegetables and so on."
Xuzhou Anying can also be found on the giant Chinese trade listing site, http://www.alibaba.com/...

according to their "about us" page

"Our company specializes in the export of wheat gluten, wheat flour, cornstarch, sweet potato starch, and other agricultural and sideline products. We wish to cooperate with domestic and abroad merchants hand in hand."
"Industry Focus: Agriculture and By- product agents, agriculture product stocks, fodder, feed additives, fresh preserved vegetables"
I have been researching this gluten story heavily since yesterday. When something like this happens, everyone would immediately like to find a scapegoat to blame. Where is it from, who brought the tainted wheat into this country, and are we humans also at risk of eating it? It was speculated that ADM could be the culprit, but...
Just because Archer Daniels Midland manufactures wheat gluten domestically does not make it the importer.

Just because the wheat gluten from Xuzhou Anying was contaminated with melamine does not mean it was it was "poisoned." It may, however, been accidently or purposely mismarked and sold at a discount. Melamine is not poisonous to all animals that ingest it. While it is not supposed to BE in wheat gluten, and is a harmful contaminant for pets, it could have been in this because of a manufacturing process or mixing process error on the part of the Chinese company.

This Chinese company, per their websight and a trade websight, also manufactures high protein powders from grain products that use a process that applies Non Protein Nitrogen, also known as Urea, to the grain protein to make it more soluble and stable. Urea is also used in melamine manufacturing.
Urea is also used in processing some livestock animal fodders, but if not manufactured properly, it can cause ammonia poisoning to stressed or hungry livestock such as sheep and cattle.

From wikipedia:

Melamine C3 H6 N6, ( Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen) is a organic base produced from urea by either using catalyzed gas- phase production or high pressure liquid- phase production. Melamine is used to produce melamine resin, which is combined with formaldehyde to produce themosetting plastic. This plastic is often used in kitchen utensils like Melmac, and is the main ingredient in high pressure laminates such as Formica and Arborite and of laminate flooring.
From Zuzhou Anying's Company's advertising on alibaba, we found they also sell Camella (not "camellia" but Camella, tea nut) seed dregs, or the meal leftover from processing out the edible oil. This meal product is used in aquaculture ponds where fish and crab are raised, to kill unwanted fish. There is no mistaking their pride in the quality of their wheat gluten meal

"Wheat gluten meal is also named wheat vital protein. The flour is used as its raw material, and from which extracts a light brown natural grain powder through intensively processing. It is a good soluble protein, containing fifteen amino acid essential for human body. After all, it can yet be regarded as a plant protein food looking good, smelling good and tasting good. "
Here is the alibaba description of their "Esb Protein Meal" , using the original spelling. They say it will" bring about revolutionary effect."

"ESB Biologic Protein Meal" is a kind of high protein substance by mixing coin protein and NPN and using high biologic technology. It is the high protein feed, the crude protein: CP160%-CP300%. "ESB Biologic Protein Meal" has no flavor and has no coolness, torpidity, cayenne; it has no contamination of chemistry and drug. It is safe; nonpoisonous, without bad reaction. The product is yellow or grey or white powder. The protein is permanent, endure high temperature, the freshen is 90% min and has no contamination. It has the good effect to promote the protein of fish meal and other animal feed."
(ARC notes) "coin" may be "corn" or refering to the inner kernel of a grain such as wheat. NPN is the Non Protein Nitrogen, or Urea, which may be a byproduct of coal processing. "high biologic technology" means they probably heated and/or pressurize it with the Urea, the different colors of the end product could indicate they are using either different grains or different processing to get different color base products. The crude protein cannot be more than 100%, so that is an error. )


There was more than one suspect contaminant. Earlier, preliminary tests done by a New York on earlier samples of suspect pet foods seemed to show one thing, a possible rodenticide, aminopterin, and the later tests showed the melamine which was traced back to the batches made with that particular imported wheat gluten. The FDA recall is about the wheat gluten that had the melamine crystals in it.

Because the wheat gluten was "food" grade per the FDA, it is entirely possible that some of it could have been used in human food manufacturing.

Because this Chinese company, Zuzhou Anying, advertises itself as manufacturing both edible and non edible and (deliberately poisonous) powdered substances from grain byproducts, I think it is highly possible we have not yet found all the contaminents.



I was just now trying to decipher, using the FDA tutorial guide, the codes the FDA has in the #99- 26 Alert, which importers use to identify substances by code, there are three:

product codes
02F [ ] [ ] 08
02E [ ] [ ] 06
71M [ ] [ ] 01

The numbers and letters stand for five things, Industry, Class, Subclass, Process Indication Code, and Product. So by looking at the first number, we see 02, 02, and 71, which is milled grains, milled grains, and Byproducts for Animal foods, respectively.

So 2 of the codes are for food grade (human consumption) wheat gluten, E and F, but the third one is for Industry number 71, Byproducts, class M, which is not found in Byproducts Indusry 71. What is "M?" The FDA has also left blank spaces in the code numbers for these three batches of material it is searching for, there is supposed to be a series of 5 letters and numbers, and there is only 3, with 2 blank spaces left in the middle, which would help pinpoint more specifically.

This is extremely suspicious behavior on the part of the FDA, based on what I have read in Susan Hu's diary from yesterday on the FDA's drop in product inspections. I believe they may know more about the wheat gluten's whereabouts than they are currently admitting to publically. And now let me speculate that indeed this gluten MIGHT be in the human food chain, and the FDA does not want to set off a stampede of paniced consumers.

I am concerned not only because my friends and loved ones could be eating this tainted gluten, but because human foodstuffs are still used in pet and livestock manufacturing and that way the contaminated products still might end up being fed to pets. Plus, we don't have complete testing yet as to just what else is in this suspect gluten. But I'm most concerned that when I study the FDA's websight, and click on Alerts sections for Human Foodstuffs, there is no listing for this Wheat Gluten being recalled in spite of clear evidence ON THE ALERT that the wheat gluten IS human foodgrade. Being human foodgrade, then, there was nothing to stop it from being used in people food. It is only listed as a Pet Food Alert.

I guess we're all just dogs now to our government. And I'm not trying to be funny.

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UPDATE, 4:30 pm PDT, April 3 Public pressure does have an effect. Now Reuters and Yahoo News have stories up that the Distributor for the wheat gluten is ChemNutra, Inc, a Las Vegas, NV company that imports over 4000 tons per year of food and pharmaceutical ingredients into the United States from China. ChemNutra is recalling 873 tons of wheat gluten it shipped to 3 petfood makers and another distributor. It said also that it has 3 Chinese suppliers of wheat gluten but is only recalling the gluten from Xuzhou Anying. The recalled gluten was distributed between Nov 9 and March 8. Chem Nutra CEO Stephen Miller, (President is Sally Miller) is still not admitting to whom they sold the wheat gluten to, but says it did not go to any human food manufacturers, just pet food ones. pdf for the press release can be found on Chem Nutra's website, click on the Press Release link on their homepage for the download http://www.chemnutra.com

It looks like we still have a smaller missing sub distributor somewhere out there. They must know who it is they sold it to. This recall is going to get bigger.
 

PORKER

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U.S. FDA Investigators Say Pet Food Recall Extended (Update2)

By Kevin Bell

April 5 (Bloomberg) -- A recall of North American pet food linked to at least 16 animal deaths was extended today after U.S. investigators traced a suspect ingredient to dog biscuits.

Pet treats made by Sunshine Mills, based in Red Bay, Alabama, will be recalled after officials found it used wheat gluten that may have contained melamine, said Stephen Sundlof, the director of the Center for Veterinary Medicine at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, today in a news conference today.

Menu Foods Ltd., which recalled 60 million pet food cans and pouches on March 16, said today it's extending the recall date to pet food made between Nov. 8 and March 6. The FDA last week said it found melamine, which is used to make plastic kitchen utensils and fertilizers, in some of the company's wet pet food. At least five pet-food makers have recalled some products.

``We still have a lot of work in understanding why melamine is involved,'' Sundlof said. ``We are relatively certain there is a connection here someplace.''

The FDA has received more than 12,000 complaints from pet owners about the recall, one of the largest concerning pet foods, he said.

The FDA has traced all of the foods containing melamine, a ``relatively non-toxic'' substance according to Sundlof, to a supply of wheat gluten obtained from China by ChemNutra Inc. of Las Vegas. ChemNutra said April 3 it had recalled its gluten.

Melamine may be linked to another substance that has not yet been identified that could have contributed to pet deaths, Sundlof said.

No Human Food Links

No evidence has been found that the wheat gluten has entered the human-food supply, FDA officials said today.

Menu Foods said in a statement today that a total of 20 varieties of dog and cat food have been added to the recall list, including Science Diet Feline Savory Cuts Can and Grreat Choice wet dog food. No new brands were added to the recall, it said.

Company spokesman Sam Bornstein didn't immediately return a telephone call. Originally, the pet-food maker said the recall applied to food made as early as Dec. 3.

Units of Menu Foods Income Fund, which owns Menu Foods Ltd., fell 13 cents, or 2.9 percent, to C$4.43 by 4:18 p.m. in trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange. They've fallen 40 percent since March 15, the day before the recall.

Sunshine Mills officials didn't immediately return a phone call from Bloomberg News.

PetConnection.com, a Web site that has been tracking the recall, said 3,240 pets deaths from tainted food have been reported to it as of this morning. About 9,340 cats and dogs have been reported as sick. The site says the tally shouldn't be considered official because the numbers are ``self reported.''

Sundlof said it will ``take a while'' to determine how many pet deaths can be conclusively linked to tainted gluten and the extent of the tragedy.

To contact the reporter on this story: Kevin Bell in Toronto at [email protected]

Last Updated: April 5, 2007 16:20 EDT
 

Econ101

Well-known member
No evidence has been found that the wheat gluten has entered the human-food supply, FDA officials said today.


Given the circumstances, I think they should have to find the evidence that the wheat gluten did not come into the human food chain, not just wait to see if a problem pops up or not before they can claim this.

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PORKER

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No evidence ,BullS**T. You are right Econ 101 ,Dead animals everywhere pet, owners mad as hell ,they should have to find the evidence that the wheat gluten did not come into the human food chain or the FEED CHAIN for livestock.
 

PORKER

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The University of Guelph Laboratory Services department has posted images of crystals taken from a cat suspected to have ingested melamine-tainted food. Guelph hasn’t been able to identify the cystals yet, but mass spectrometry shows them to be 30 percent melamine and to have a different spectrum than ammonium urate or xanthine. Several veterinarians on VIN are reporting seeing crystals similar to those posted by Guelph.

I think there has to be another chemical involved !
 

Kathy

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Porker, thanks for the hint on the pictures from Univ. of Guelph
link: http://www.labservices.uoguelph.ca/urgent.cfm

Figure 4 shows these sphere/crystals in the urine very well. As with most spherical products like this, there is usually a nucleating center which attracts the build up of organic material around it.

Cat owners, with sick animals, should take a sample of their cats urine and freeze it. Perhaps later they can have it tested.

If the vets are unblocking their urinary tract, they could probably get a urine sample at that time. Even small samples on a swab, would probably suffice. Just a suggestion.

It reminds me of the spherical dust particles being found in the "dust" from the WTCs.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wtc_buildings_collapse_steven_jones.htm
 

PORKER

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ROYAL CANIN CANADA PROACTIVELY RECALLS FELINE DISSOLUTION FORMULA (canned)
April 10 2007
Guelph, Ontario -- As a result of new information received from Menu Foods late yesterday, Royal Canin Canada is recalling Medi-Cal Feline Dissolution Formula canned diet because one production lot (January 08 2009) contains contaminated wheat gluten. This product is produced for Royal Canin Canada by the Menu Foods Ontario plant. Medi-Cal Feline Dissolution Formula canned diet is Royal Canin’s only wheat gluten-containing canned product. This is the only Royal Canin or Medi-Cal product being recalled.

Royal Canin Canada has informed all Canadian veterinary clinics that Medi-Cal Feline Dissolution Formula canned diet, prescribed exclusively through veterinary clinics, should not be fed to cats. Although only one production lot was affected, to eliminate any risks to cats, Royal Canin Canada is proactively advising veterinary clinics to remove all of the Feline Dissolution Formula canned date codes.
This product is not available through retail outlets.

After being repeatedly reassured by Menu Foods, as reinforced by FDA public statements, that none of the contaminated wheat gluten had made its way to Canada, we were completely shocked to learn yesterday that this was not the case, and that this wheat gluten had been used in the Feline Dissolution Formula canned product” said Xavier Unkovic, CEO Royal Canin Canada. “Once Melamine was identified as a contaminant by the FDA on March 30, we immediately implemented a screening program for raw materials and finished goods including Feline Dissolution. Feline Dissolution canned product in our warehouse tested negative for Melamine. Unfortunately, the one code lot of Feline Dissolution Formula canned that was affected had already been shipped.”

“As animal health professionals and pet owners ourselves, we know this recall will cause concern for our customers as it has for our entire Medi-Cal/Royal Canin team,” said Dr. Brent Matthew, Veterinary Division Director. “We deeply regret that this has occurred.”
 

PORKER

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Remarks by others;The "stringent" ingredient regulations have been developed by the industry in concert with AAFCO. AAFCO has no real authority over the pet food companies, and goes along with the desires of an industry that, by the admission of the FDA, is a good way for by-products of American agriculture to “dispose” of those by-products of agriculture that are not fit for or undesirable for humans to eat. Many ingredients in pet food serve no nutritional purpose in our pets, but keep farmers and ranchers from having to throw them away.

An example of ingredients splitting: Pet food companies who wish to disguise the amount of cereals in their products will list several different cereals in stead of using just one (not top quality cereals either) so that what meat IS in their products will legally be listed as the one of the first ingredients. In many, if not most of these foods, cereal actually makes up the majority of the food, but consumers see “chicken” as one of the top 2-3 ingredients and think that chicken is a predominant component of the food. This is “smoke and mirrors.”The regulations may demand that the ingredients be listed in order of predominance, but there is NO prohibition against the sleight of hand described in this example.
The pet food industry is an ineffectively regulated 15 billion dollar industry that produces everything your pet eats, day in day out. This should make you want to know a lot more about what is going into those cans and bags, and into your pet!
 

Econ101

Well-known member
PORKER said:
Remarks by others;The "stringent" ingredient regulations have been developed by the industry in concert with AAFCO. AAFCO has no real authority over the pet food companies, and goes along with the desires of an industry that, by the admission of the FDA, is a good way for by-products of American agriculture to “dispose” of those by-products of agriculture that are not fit for or undesirable for humans to eat. Many ingredients in pet food serve no nutritional purpose in our pets, but keep farmers and ranchers from having to throw them away.

An example of ingredients splitting: Pet food companies who wish to disguise the amount of cereals in their products will list several different cereals in stead of using just one (not top quality cereals either) so that what meat IS in their products will legally be listed as the one of the first ingredients. In many, if not most of these foods, cereal actually makes up the majority of the food, but consumers see “chicken” as one of the top 2-3 ingredients and think that chicken is a predominant component of the food. This is “smoke and mirrors.”The regulations may demand that the ingredients be listed in order of predominance, but there is NO prohibition against the sleight of hand described in this example.
The pet food industry is an ineffectively regulated 15 billion dollar industry that produces everything your pet eats, day in day out. This should make you want to know a lot more about what is going into those cans and bags, and into your pet!


I have heard it said on this site that some are against all the excessive regulations of industry. This is a perfect example of why this blanket statement just doesn't work in the real world.

We would probably all agree that the above example is just another form of fraud. Yet to combat this kind of fraud, the government has to write another regulation to make this specific tactic illegal or actionable by the bureaucracy. Govt. comes out with rules, industry finds its way around those rules. If the spirit of the law was followed by industry, we would not need new rules and regulations. The big problem is that they do not. Regulators have to have specific prohibitions codified in order to enforce a penalty against the specific action. The govt. doesn't go after companies when they don't work in good faith, as this example shows; they have to have specific regulations.
 

PORKER

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They file the records or they lock the doors,Nothing else is needed when it comes to FOOD SAFETY. COOL can't come soon enough alone with a new food agency . This would kick the USDA out of food industry and its buddy buddy system!
 

flounder

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Article Posted: 04/15/2007 9:16:48 PM

Human and Animal Food Poisoning with Mad Cow a Slow Death

an editorial by Terry S. Singeltary Sr.


http://www.swnebr.net/newspaper/cgi-bin/articles/articlearchiver.pl?160273




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mrj

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PORKER said:
They file the records or they lock the doors,Nothing else is needed when it comes to FOOD SAFETY. COOL can't come soon enough alone with a new food agency . This would kick the USDA out of food industry and its buddy buddy system!

Yesterday on Agri-Talk, a woman from Center for Science in the Public Interest (not a group I normally champion, nor am I here, only making an interesting point) stated that USDA does a pretty good job of inspecting the foods under its authority, and far better than does FDA of the food and other imported products under its authority. It is a rare event when CSPI praises any government agency.

So, who do y'all recommend to run your new 'Food Police' agency, how much do you expect it to cost, how will it be funded, and who will police the new police?

MRJ
 

PORKER

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So, who do y'all recommend to run your new 'Food Police' agency, The Government of the people,who else?


how much do you expect it to cost,
Same amount but a inspector can inspect all other juristications in the same system.


how will it be funded,
The same way it is now!


and who will police the new police?
The OIG and OMB
 

mrj

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PORKER said:
So, who do y'all recommend to run your new 'Food Police' agency, The Government of the people,who else?


how much do you expect it to cost,
Same amount but a inspector can inspect all other juristications in the same system.


how will it be funded,
The same way it is now!


and who will police the new police?
The OIG and OMB

Do you really believe yet another branch of bureaucrats will be any different?

If you are certain that the current system is totally corrupt, what has changed that will prevent the new one from either being, or becoming corrupted as well?

MRJ
 

PORKER

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MRJ, tell me honestly,If you are certain that the current system is not corrupt, Then which honest ones are there ?
 
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