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The Censorship Of Madmen

hypocritexposer

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The Censorship Of Madmen
by John Hayward (more by this author)
Posted 01/09/2011 ET


Within hours of the attack on Arizona Representative Gabrielle Giffords, liberal bloggers, pundits, and even politicians raced to pin responsibility on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the general “climate of hate” produced by opposition to President Obama’s agenda.



Much was made of Republicans and Tea Party activists who “targeted” Giffords for defeat in the midterm elections. This kind of rhetoric and imagery has been used constantly by both parties for many years. There will probably be a self-imposed ban on it, by all politicians, in the wake of this tragedy. No great loss there.



What would be a great loss would be allowing madmen to censor our discourse. The idea that millions of Americans should meekly submit to an aggressive statist agenda, because resistance might provoke a lunatic to shoot a congresswoman, is deeply offensive to the ideals of liberty and free speech.



Liberals always shriek about a new “climate of hate” when they see an opportunity to bury conservatives beneath a pile of corpses. It’s just another example of “climate change” being used to compel obedience. Let’s focus instead on the climate of free speech, and our united refusal to allow a platoon of maniacs to change it.



To his credit, President Obama has not descended to the depths of Bill Clinton, who casually blamed the Oklahoma City bombings on Rush Limbaugh back in the 90s. Quite a few prominent leftists have refused to follow Obama’s example. This is the disgusting, reflexive opportunism of those who believe every aspect of life is political. We are all property of the State. All resistance to the State is evil. Therefore, all evil is caused by resistance to the State.



Certainly there is anger simmering in the growing resistance to this radical President. Why wouldn’t there be? The Obama Democrats are “transformative,” which means they are aggressive. They want to force you to do a great many things. They’re not shy about using the most insulting rhetoric to shout down your objections. They provide no opportunity for you to gracefully decline participation in their plans… unless you happen to be one of the favored few who receive an ObamaCare waiver. The “consent of the governed” plays no role in thousand-page bills negotiated through secret backroom deals, and pushed through Congress with earmark bribes, in obnoxious defiance of the American people.



The Tea Party movement has done a fantastic job of controlling this anger, and converting its energy to constructive ends. You didn’t see angry mobs at Tea Party rallies, Sarah Palin speeches, or Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” event. They were warm, welcoming, and optimistic, not to mention neat and orderly. Even the idiotic attempt to create “false flag” hate speech for the benefit of the media went belly up. When people attended their first Tea Party rally, they found America waiting for them, and America is inspirational. The gifts of its countenance are courage and good humor.



The attempts to link resistance to violence, or discredit it through manufactured charges of racism, is nothing less than totalitarian. If the exercise of free speech makes you an accessory to murder, there is no such thing as free speech. The Left has spent the last few hours screaming that all dissent from their ideology leads to violence. Well, there is only one form of government that requires violence to achieve dissent. If the Left wants to push this meme, they are indicting themselves as tyrants.



You can’t put a paranoid lunatic like Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter, anywhere on the Left or Right of our political spectrum. This was equally true of Clay Duke, the Panama City school board shooter, who was marinated in a thick stew of socialist literature, class envy, and hard-Left websites. It was true of Joseph Stack, the man who flew his airplane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, leaving behind an anti-capitalist manifesto that approvingly cited the “communist creed.” It was true of James Lee, the environmental extremist who used bombs to take hostages at the Discovery Channel headquarters last September.



No matter what any of these deranged individuals professed to believe, their crimes should not be pinned on the free expression of liberals, because we should not grant editorial control of our speech to lunatics. Likewise, Jared Loughner is responsible for his actions. No matter what ultimately motivated him to shoot Representative Giffords and murder six other people, including a little girl, no part of the blame rests with whoever he happened to agree with, or criticize.



Those who use the corpses of his victims as marionettes for political theater are also responsible for their actions, and deserve our contempt. If liberal Americans have any self-respect, a lot of loudmouths will come to remember January 8, 2010 as they day their soulless careers finally ended.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41071
 

Liveoak

Well-known member
Good post Hypo. The only fly in the ointment might be if the second suspect (if there really was one), somehow put Jared up to the shooting and then learn what his motivation is all about.


I don't have a probelm with what John Hayward has said in your post but I don't think it's going to do any good. Politicians, across the board, seem to be digging deeper and deeper into the mud offering in order to gain a few inches in their political campaighns. It's going to be up to the voters to discern what is real and what is not.
 
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Anonymous

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Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars
Saturday, January 8, 2011/UPDATED Sunday January 9, 2011
RELATED: “Toning Down The Rhetoric” Means Obeying Big Government
Jared Loughner, the gunman who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and numerous other victims including a Federal Judge and a nine-year-old girl during a political event in Tucson today, was a US military recruit who was obsessed with mind control, mirroring the circumstances of many other mass shooters in history.
Loughner’s You Tube channel contains several rambling text-based videos which discuss his fascination with mind control.
In one of his online rants, Loughner said that he was a “United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix”. Reports suggest that he also may have been deployed to Afghanistan at one point.
“The mission of USMEPCOM and the Phoenix MEPS is to process individuals for enlistment or induction into the armed services,” states the website of the United States Military Entrance Processing Command.
The fact that Loughner was part of the US military and yet is being characterized as an anti-government conspiracy nutcase by the establishment media is a complete contradiction. Loughner’s multitude of viewpoints seem to transcend political classification. Watching his You Tube videos, he is clearly a schizophrenic who is obsessed with mind control and other bizarre leftfield issues of minutia.
Loughner’s vulnerable and psychotic profile, combined with his interest in mind control, mirrors other famous assassins such as Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley, as well as Columbine killers Harris & Klebold.
Another paralel can be drawn to Sirhan Sirhan, the accused assassin of Robert Kennedy. Although Sirhan was blamed as the lone individual behind the shooting, forensic evidence that emerged in 2008 confirmed that he did not fire the fatal shot.
As the London Independent reported in 2005, evidence strongly indicates that Sirhan was a Manchurian candidate, a victim of mind control who was set up to be the fall guy for the murder. Sirhan was described by eyewitnesses as being in a trance-like state as he pulled the trigger.
“There was no way Sirhan Sirhan killed Kennedy,” said (Sirhan’s lawyer Larry) Teeter, who has filed the lawsuit to preserve the pantry for further forensic examination. “He was the fall guy. His job was to get busted while the trigger man walked out. He wasn’t consciously involved in any plot. He was a patsy. He was unconscious and unaware of what was happening – he was the true Manchurian Candidate.”
Teeter does not know for certain who hypnotised Sirhan, but, he said: “I know it was done. It was consistent with the US government’s programme developed by the CIA and Military Intelligence to enable handlers to get people to commit crimes with no knowledge of what they are doing.”
Evans goes further and names the hypnotist as a Dr William Joseph Bryan Jnr. He had worked on a CIA mind-control programme called MKULTRA and claimed to have moonlighted as a technical adviser on The Manchurian Candidate. The hypnosis, says Evans, had been done over three months, a period known as the “white fog” when the Los Angeles police task force later investigating the assassination – and trying to construct a meticulous timetable of Sirhan’s activities up to the shooting – lost track of him.
Sergeant Bill Jordan, the detective who was Sirhan’s first interrogator, told Evans: “We took him back for more than a year with some intensity – where he’d been, what he’d been doing, who he’d been seeing. But there was this 10- or 12-week gap, like a blanket of white fog we could never penetrate, and which Sirhan himself appeared to have a complete amnesia about.”
“He is absolutely innocent. He is not the person who did the shooting. He was out of position and out of range and he couldn’t have done it.”
The CIA’s use of mind control to create killers is a matter of historical record. MK-ULTRA was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence that came to light in 1975 through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti insists that the program is ongoing and has not been abandoned.
Whether or not Jared Lee Loughner acted alone is being investigated by officials. A second suspect in the shootings is still being sought. However, Loughner’s obsession with mind control is confirmed and given the historical connection between such events and the use of Manchurian candidates, nothing can be ruled out at this stage.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
(This is in response to Liveoaks post--not shamueis--)

Voters need to be better educated. How do we do that, when schools
are full of liberal agenda? College students lean to the left, until they
get in the 'real world.' And because of the mess things are, many never
enter the 'real world' but live off mom and dad. It's an epidemic.

Not to put all young people in this catagory. It is encouraging
to see young people are waking up. Maybe since a lot of this debt
will be paid by them, their children and grandchildren.

I know when I was young there was no such thing as talk radio,
Fox news or the internet. I am so appreciative of those mediums
that get the 'real' word out. Both political parties need a house
cleaning. I just hope these 'freshmen' politicians can start something
new and fresh in politics. I do think they are trying and that there
is hope.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Faster horses said:
(This is in response to Liveoaks post--not shamueis--)

Voters need to be better educated. How do we do that, when schools
are full of liberal agenda? College students lean to the left, until they
get in the 'real world.' And because of the mess things are, many never
enter the 'real world' but live off mom and dad. It's an epidemic.

Not to put all young people in this catagory. It is encouraging
to see young people are waking up. Maybe since a lot of this debt
will be paid by them, their children and grandchildren.

I know when I was young there was no such thing as talk radio,
Fox news or the internet. I am so appreciative of those mediums
that get the 'real' word out. Both political parties need a house
cleaning. I just hope these 'freshmen' politicians can start something
new and fresh in politics. I do think they are trying and that there
is hope.

I am SOOOOO glad you think you are getting the truth from Fox News...what an idiot.
 

Tam

Well-known member
shaumei said:
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars
Saturday, January 8, 2011/UPDATED Sunday January 9, 2011
RELATED: “Toning Down The Rhetoric” Means Obeying Big Government
Jared Loughner, the gunman who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and numerous other victims including a Federal Judge and a nine-year-old girl during a political event in Tucson today, was a US military recruit who was obsessed with mind control, mirroring the circumstances of many other mass shooters in history.
.

No need to read any further as the shooter was REJECTED by the Army which means he was not a Military Recruit. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Tam said:
shaumei said:
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars
Saturday, January 8, 2011/UPDATED Sunday January 9, 2011
RELATED: “Toning Down The Rhetoric” Means Obeying Big Government
Jared Loughner, the gunman who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and numerous other victims including a Federal Judge and a nine-year-old girl during a political event in Tucson today, was a US military recruit who was obsessed with mind control, mirroring the circumstances of many other mass shooters in history.
.

No need to read any further as the shooter was REJECTED by the Army which means he was not a Military Recruit. :roll:

yea, just like Tim McVeigh....
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Faster horses said:
If I am an idiot, at least I'm not a WIERD IDIOT like you,

According to Bob Chapman, you are quoting a homosexual that committed treason to our country.
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
(This is in response to Liveoaks post--not shamueis--)

Voters need to be better educated. How do we do that, when schools
are full of liberal agenda? College students lean to the left, until they
get in the 'real world.' And because of the mess things are, many never
enter the 'real world' but live off mom and dad. It's an epidemic.

Not to put all young people in this catagory. It is encouraging
to see young people are waking up. Maybe since a lot of this debt
will be paid by them, their children and grandchildren.

I know when I was young there was no such thing as talk radio,
Fox news or the internet. I am so appreciative of those mediums
that get the 'real' word out. Both political parties need a house
cleaning. I just hope these 'freshmen' politicians can start something
new and fresh in politics. I do think they are trying and that there
is hope.

Unfortunately you are very correct about school and college agendas. I think schools are so far swayed as they are funded more often by democratic support than republican and the unionization, so they back democratic leaders. And this may be where I don't fully agree with all conservative views, I want appropriately funded schools. I also think that children these days are pushed to the liberal side by our lack of holding people responsible for their own actions- success or failures.

I have always been morally conservative, but I am more and more fiscally conservative the older and wiser I become.
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
okfarmer said:
Faster horses said:
(This is in response to Liveoaks post--not shamueis--)

Voters need to be better educated. How do we do that, when schools
are full of liberal agenda? College students lean to the left, until they
get in the 'real world.' And because of the mess things are, many never
enter the 'real world' but live off mom and dad. It's an epidemic.

Not to put all young people in this catagory. It is encouraging
to see young people are waking up. Maybe since a lot of this debt
will be paid by them, their children and grandchildren.

I know when I was young there was no such thing as talk radio,
Fox news or the internet. I am so appreciative of those mediums
that get the 'real' word out. Both political parties need a house
cleaning. I just hope these 'freshmen' politicians can start something
new and fresh in politics. I do think they are trying and that there
is hope.

Unfortunately you are very correct about school and college agendas. I think schools are so far swayed as they are funded more often by democratic support than republican and the unionization, so they back democratic leaders. And this may be where I don't fully agree with all conservative views, I want appropriately funded schools. I also think that children these days are pushed to the liberal side by our lack of holding people responsible for their own actions- success or failures.

I have always been morally conservative, but I am more and more fiscally conservative the older and wiser I become.

okfarmer- where in the U'S' Constitution does the Federal Government get the power to run education?
OK - trick question, it isn't there, it is up to each state to have the education system the people of that state desire. So then if you don't like what a particular state teaches and you are in the minority and can't buck the system, then you can vote with your feet and move to a place you do like. And this applies to way more than education. There are many areas where people in the Federal Government have usurped their Constitutional powers. If one size government (Federal) is supposed to fit all, then why do we even have states?
 

Liveoak

Well-known member
shaumei said:
Faster horses said:
(This is in response to Liveoaks post--not shamueis--)

Voters need to be better educated. How do we do that, when schools
are full of liberal agenda? College students lean to the left, until they
get in the 'real world.' And because of the mess things are, many never
enter the 'real world' but live off mom and dad. It's an epidemic.

Not to put all young people in this catagory. It is encouraging
to see young people are waking up. Maybe since a lot of this debt
will be paid by them, their children and grandchildren.

I know when I was young there was no such thing as talk radio,
Fox news or the internet. I am so appreciative of those mediums
that get the 'real' word out. Both political parties need a house
cleaning. I just hope these 'freshmen' politicians can start something
new and fresh in politics. I do think they are trying and that there
is hope.

I am SOOOOO glad you think you are getting the truth from Fox News...what an idiot.

Shamu, exactly, who is the idiot? One who gets their information from only one source (infowars) or from several? Did FH ever say that was their ONLY source?
 

Liveoak

Well-known member
Lonecowboy said:
okfarmer said:
Faster horses said:
(This is in response to Liveoaks post--not shamueis--)

Voters need to be better educated. How do we do that, when schools
are full of liberal agenda? College students lean to the left, until they
get in the 'real world.' And because of the mess things are, many never
enter the 'real world' but live off mom and dad. It's an epidemic.

Not to put all young people in this catagory. It is encouraging
to see young people are waking up. Maybe since a lot of this debt
will be paid by them, their children and grandchildren.

I know when I was young there was no such thing as talk radio,
Fox news or the internet. I am so appreciative of those mediums
that get the 'real' word out. Both political parties need a house
cleaning. I just hope these 'freshmen' politicians can start something
new and fresh in politics. I do think they are trying and that there
is hope.

Unfortunately you are very correct about school and college agendas. I think schools are so far swayed as they are funded more often by democratic support than republican and the unionization, so they back democratic leaders. And this may be where I don't fully agree with all conservative views, I want appropriately funded schools. I also think that children these days are pushed to the liberal side by our lack of holding people responsible for their own actions- success or failures.

I have always been morally conservative, but I am more and more fiscally conservative the older and wiser I become.

okfarmer- where in the U'S' Constitution does the Federal Government get the power to run education?
OK - trick question, it isn't there, it is up to each state to have the education system the people of that state desire. So then if you don't like what a particular state teaches and you are in the minority and can't buck the system, then you can vote with your feet and move to a place you do like. And this applies to way more than education. There are many areas where people in the Federal Government have usurped their Constitutional powers. If one size government (Federal) is supposed to fit all, then why do we even have states?

I think LoneCowboy is on the right track. Better to ask the question: which desicion making positions, within school districts, are elected? And, isn't the decision making tied into our city, state and federals laws? I recall, in high school, that a teachers giving "swats" was very common. What would happen if that occured today? How many lawsuites by parents? How many public schools do you know of that still allow a good old game of dodgeball? It's not the officials in the schools districts, it's the parents.
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
Easy cowboy. My concern with education was not that it should be funded or controlled by the Federal government. It is a concern that it is not often supported by conservatives at any level as it is by liberals.

I do voice my opinion and work to support it. I don't believe in supporting people not wanting to help themselves. But I do believe in a strong public education system. We probably agree about a lot of issues. My children will likely agree with most of my conservative views. It is the masses of inadequately educated individuals in our society that scare me. I want as many children as possible to be able to have an individual, clear thought process as they WILL affect my future. Without quality education of the masses, our republic will not be safe.

And I am all about putting corporal punishment back in the school, as well as prayer and reading the bible.

Yes, ignorant parents are allowed to much control. Our lawsuit happy society is sad. It is sad that we allow the judicial system so much control.
 
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