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The demise of the Republican Party?

fff

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Back when REPUBLICAN President George HW Bush named David Souter to the Supreme Court, he was recognized as a "moderate." When Arlen Specter was elected to the Senate, he was recognized as a "moderate." Today both are vilified by the Republican base as "liberals". I think those are good indicators of how far off the track the Republican party has gone. Sad, but true, we don't really have a 2-party system in this country today. Jeb Bush seems to have recognized that

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Saturday that it's time for the Republican Party to give up its "nostalgia" for the heyday of the Reagan era and look forward, even if it means stealing the winning strategy deployed by Democrats in the 2008 election.

"You can't beat something with nothing, and the other side has something. I don't like it, but they have it, and we have to be respectful and mindful of that," Mr. Bush said.

Now if he could only get the "base" to follow him in that direction......
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Being a sheeple, you don't understand that is the members of the party that give it direction, not the the other way around.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Being a sheeple, you don't understand that is the members of the party that give it direction, not the the other way around.

But thats what you don't seem to understand- the members of the party are wandering in a half dozen different directions-- and with noone coming out with any one plan or platform or even idea for folks to grab onto, will continue to....Their current platform- "the party of NO" did not/is not/will not get them back the Independents and Reagan Democrats that are needed to win in this country...
 

Mike

Well-known member
I would rather the Republicans lose some elections than to become a quasi-Democratic Party.

From looking at the change in the polls since Zer0's election, the whole picture will be distorted by 2012.
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Being a sheeple, you don't understand that is the members of the party that give it direction, not the the other way around.

But thats what you don't seem to understand- the members of the party are wandering in a half dozen different directions-- and with noone coming out with any one plan or platform or even idea for folks to grab onto, will continue to....Their current platform- "the party of NO" did not/is not/will not get them back the Independents and Reagan Democrats that are needed to win in this country...

If you are old enough to remember the 70's OT, you'll remember the old "If it feels good - do it" slogan.

Jimmy Carter worked his hind end off. He was probably the hardest working president this country has ever known. But the Dem policies just did not work.

There is not much to concern ourselves with here. Don't get to overly concerned about who's on the fence. Double digit inflation will be enough.

I used to be a democrat until the democratic party ran out on honest hard working Americans. My county had its first ever repubilcan primary in 1972. 12 people cast votes
 

Steve

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The only change I want to see out of the republican party is for them to focus on what helps small business and to get back to fiscal conservatism..

so far by being the party of NO the republicans as a party have started on at least looking more fiscally conservative then the TAX and spend democrats..
 

Steve

Well-known member
backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Being a sheeple, you don't understand that is the members of the party that give it direction, not the the other way around.

But thats what you don't seem to understand- the members of the party are wandering in a half dozen different directions-- and with noone coming out with any one plan or platform or even idea for folks to grab onto, will continue to....Their current platform- "the party of NO" did not/is not/will not get them back the Independents and Reagan Democrats that are needed to win in this country...

If you are old enough to remember the 70's OT, you'll remember the old "If it feels good - do it" slogan.

Jimmy Carter worked his hind end off. He was probably the hardest working president this country has ever known. But the Dem policies just did not work.

There is not much to concern ourselves with here. Don't get to overly concerned about who's on the fence. Double digit inflation will be enough.

I used to be a democrat until the democratic party ran out on honest hard working Americans. My county had its first ever repubilcan primary in 1972. 12 people cast votes

As each day passes, more and more is Obama morphing into Jimmy Carter...

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TexasBred

Well-known member
fff said:
Back when REPUBLICAN President George HW Bush named David Souter to the Supreme Court, he was recognized as a "moderate." When Arlen Specter was elected to the Senate, he was recognized as a "moderate." Today both are vilified by the Republican base as "liberals". I think those are good indicators of how far off the track the Republican party has gone. Sad, but true, we don't really have a 2-party system in this country today. Jeb Bush seems to have recognized that

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Saturday that it's time for the Republican Party to give up its "nostalgia" for the heyday of the Reagan era and look forward, even if it means stealing the winning strategy deployed by Democrats in the 2008 election.

"You can't beat something with nothing, and the other side has something. I don't like it, but they have it, and we have to be respectful and mindful of that," Mr. Bush said.

Now if he could only get the "base" to follow him in that direction......

Specter is simply returning to his roots, having been a democrat prior to changing to the republican party and now going back to the democratic party, this time for one reason only....to ensure reelection.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Being a sheeple, you don't understand that is the members of the party that give it direction, not the the other way around.

But thats what you don't seem to understand- the members of the party are wandering in a half dozen different directions-- and with noone coming out with any one plan or platform or even idea for folks to grab onto, will continue to....Their current platform- "the party of NO" did not/is not/will not get them back the Independents and Reagan Democrats that are needed to win in this country...

If it is a Party of NO higher taxes then it will do just fine, that is exactly what got the Reagan Democrats last time!

So the Party of NO may be just what is needed, problem with Republicans of late is they have to long been the party of YES!
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Being a sheeple, you don't understand that is the members of the party that give it direction, not the the other way around.

But thats what you don't seem to understand- the members of the party are wandering in a half dozen different directions-- and with noone coming out with any one plan or platform or even idea for folks to grab onto, will continue to....Their current platform- "the party of NO" did not/is not/will not get them back the Independents and Reagan Democrats that are needed to win in this country...

If it is a Party of NO higher taxes then it will do just fine, that is exactly what got the Reagan Democrats last time!

So the Party of NO may be just what is needed, problem with Republicans of late is they have to long been the party of YES!

Problem is- if you look at the concerns of the voters in 06- and again last summer and fall in the surveys- they wanted some "YES" things...Their top 3 concerns were:

1. They wanted a different direction in the economy-some regulation put on the Fatcats-
2. They want some health care/health care insurance reform-
3. They wanted a new energy policy designed to get them off the dependence on foreign oil...
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
OT, "Problem is- if you look at the concerns of the voters in 06- and again last summer and fall in the surveys- they wanted some "YES" things...Their top 3 concerns were:

1. They wanted a different direction in the economy-some regulation put on the Fatcats-
2. They want some health care/health care insurance reform-
3. They wanted a new energy policy designed to get them off the dependence on foreign oil...
"

And look what they got;
1) One of the fatcats as Treas. Sec and more money being funneled to Wall St.
2) A proposal so far that they'll simply pick up the tab via phantom tax dollars
3) Cap and Trade, a program that will be a recessive tax, will raise everybody's electricity rates by 50% and will cripple the economy.

The people got sold a bill of goods. Many of them are starting to figure it out - when will you?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Sandhusker said:
OT, "Problem is- if you look at the concerns of the voters in 06- and again last summer and fall in the surveys- they wanted some "YES" things...Their top 3 concerns were:

1. They wanted a different direction in the economy-some regulation put on the Fatcats-
2. They want some health care/health care insurance reform-
3. They wanted a new energy policy designed to get them off the dependence on foreign oil...
"

And look what they got;
1) One of the fatcats as Treas. Sec and more money being funneled to Wall St.
2) A proposal so far that they'll simply pick up the tab via phantom tax dollars
3) Cap and Trade, a program that will be a recessive tax, will raise everybody's electricity rates by 50% and will cripple the economy.

The people got sold a bill of goods. Many of them are starting to figure it out - when will you?

And what have the Repubs offered in return during their 14 years control of Congress and 8 years in the White House... :???:

NOthing......Except a Congress that couldn't say NO when it was to giving GW money for nationbuilding-- or allowing his Big Oil buddies to rape and pillage the country .... :roll: :(
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
OT, "Problem is- if you look at the concerns of the voters in 06- and again last summer and fall in the surveys- they wanted some "YES" things...Their top 3 concerns were:

1. They wanted a different direction in the economy-some regulation put on the Fatcats-
2. They want some health care/health care insurance reform-
3. They wanted a new energy policy designed to get them off the dependence on foreign oil...
"

And look what they got;
1) One of the fatcats as Treas. Sec and more money being funneled to Wall St.
2) A proposal so far that they'll simply pick up the tab via phantom tax dollars
3) Cap and Trade, a program that will be a recessive tax, will raise everybody's electricity rates by 50% and will cripple the economy.

The people got sold a bill of goods. Many of them are starting to figure it out - when will you?

And what have the Repubs offered in return during their 14 years control of Congress and 8 years in the White House... :???:

NOthing......Except a Congress that couldn't say NO when it was to giving GW money for nationbuilding-- or allowing his Big Oil buddies to rape and pillage the country .... :roll: :(

Can anyone recommend a good doctor in OT's proximity? He obviously needs a hearing aid and eyeglasses.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Steve said:
TexasBred said:
Obama: I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore.

and Obama won't let them drill either...

Thousands of acres of leases out there- many on deeded ground right in the middle of the oil fields-- that the oil folks could be drill drill drilling away on-- but instead they're stacking the rigs on...Not enough profit to suit them...
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
If I was the CEO of an oil exploration company at present, I would not be drilling either.

I'd use the last couple of years profit to invest in alternative fuels. Less profit potential than oil, but think of the stimulus funds and tax incentives that are available.

When reality sets in, profit potential in oil exploration will be greater than it is now.

It's a great time to start up a new "Green" venture. Or purchase an existing one, and the taxpayers will fund it.

Expect to see larger energy companies to control a larger % of the total energy market in the future.

BP aims to grow its wind business rapidly to become one of the leading project developers in the US by 2015 through focused investment

Our businesses
Wind
Focusing on the US
Wind
Solar
Growing at more
than 30% per year
Solar
Biofuels
Making a contribution
to supplying clean and
reliable energy
Biofuels
Hydrogen power
Revolutionising low-carbon electricity
Hydrogen power
Carbon Capture & Storage
CCS could avoid
up to 90% of emissions
CCS

http://www.bp.com/modularhome.do?categoryId=7040&contentId=7051376
 
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Anonymous

Guest
hypocritexposer said:
If I was the CEO of an oil exploration company at present, I would not be drilling either.

I'd use the last couple of years profit to invest in alternative fuels. Less profit potential than oil, but think of the stimulus funds and tax incentives that are available.

When reality sets in, profit potential in oil exploration will be greater than it is now.

It's a great time to start up a new "Green" venture. Or purchase an existing one, and the taxpayers will fund it.

Expect to see larger energy companies to control a larger % of the total energy market in the future.

BP aims to grow its wind business rapidly to become one of the leading project developers in the US by 2015 through focused investment

Our businesses
Wind
Focusing on the US
Wind
Solar
Growing at more
than 30% per year
Solar
Biofuels
Making a contribution
to supplying clean and
reliable energy
Biofuels
Hydrogen power
Revolutionising low-carbon electricity
Hydrogen power
Carbon Capture & Storage
CCS could avoid
up to 90% of emissions
CCS

http://www.bp.com/modularhome.do?categoryId=7040&contentId=7051376


Thats what a good patriotic American corporate entity would do- but instead they took the rewards mostly as profiteering and paid out record profits- and are now sending the US dollars to our good friends like Chavez and the Sheiks and Kings of the Arab world- to get the now cheaper oil the cartels are allowing us to have - which they can raise the price on at any given moment to again hold us hostage with...

Porker posted an interesting post on the Bull Session--sure makes you wonder about the timing of all these gas/oil fields-- especially when we already have huge gas fields sitting untapped or only partially developed....

Discovered: 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gasJames Lewis
Good news for America undermines the green energy agenda. The Wall Street Journal reports a huge new discovery of natural gas --- a fossil fuel so clean even liberals can stand it.


"CADDO PARISH, La. -- A massive natural-gas discovery here in northern Louisiana heralds a big shift in the nation's energy landscape. After an era of declining production, the U.S. is now swimming in natural gas."


"Even conservative estimates suggest the Louisiana discovery -- known as the Haynesville Shale, for the dense rock formation that contains the gas -- could hold some 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That's the equivalent of 33 billion barrels of oil, or 18 years' worth of current U.S. oil production. Some industry executives think the field could be several times that size.

Move OVER North Dakota !!!!!!!

... Huge new fields also have been found in Texas, Arkansas and Pennsylvania. One industry-backed study estimates the U.S. has more than 2,200 trillion cubic feet of gas waiting to be pumped, enough to satisfy nearly 100 years of current U.S. natural-gas demand."

Maybe we can Ranch a little cheaper .
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
OT, "Problem is- if you look at the concerns of the voters in 06- and again last summer and fall in the surveys- they wanted some "YES" things...Their top 3 concerns were:

1. They wanted a different direction in the economy-some regulation put on the Fatcats-
2. They want some health care/health care insurance reform-
3. They wanted a new energy policy designed to get them off the dependence on foreign oil...
"

And look what they got;
1) One of the fatcats as Treas. Sec and more money being funneled to Wall St.
2) A proposal so far that they'll simply pick up the tab via phantom tax dollars
3) Cap and Trade, a program that will be a recessive tax, will raise everybody's electricity rates by 50% and will cripple the economy.

The people got sold a bill of goods. Many of them are starting to figure it out - when will you?

And what have the Repubs offered in return during their 14 years control of Congress and 8 years in the White House... :???:

NOthing......Except a Congress that couldn't say NO when it was to giving GW money for nationbuilding-- or allowing his Big Oil buddies to rape and pillage the country .... :roll: :(

So then you're not refuting that the people who voted for Obama got taken. It's a baby step.....
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
OT, "Problem is- if you look at the concerns of the voters in 06- and again last summer and fall in the surveys- they wanted some "YES" things...Their top 3 concerns were:

1. They wanted a different direction in the economy-some regulation put on the Fatcats-
2. They want some health care/health care insurance reform-
3. They wanted a new energy policy designed to get them off the dependence on foreign oil...
"

And look what they got;
1) One of the fatcats as Treas. Sec and more money being funneled to Wall St.
2) A proposal so far that they'll simply pick up the tab via phantom tax dollars
3) Cap and Trade, a program that will be a recessive tax, will raise everybody's electricity rates by 50% and will cripple the economy.

The people got sold a bill of goods. Many of them are starting to figure it out - when will you?

And what have the Repubs offered in return during their 14 years control of Congress and 8 years in the White House... :???:

NOthing......Except a Congress that couldn't say NO when it was to giving GW money for nationbuilding-- or allowing his Big Oil buddies to rape and pillage the country .... :roll: :(

So then you're not refuting that the people who voted for Obama got taken. It's a baby step.....

Nope- he's actually done more in 100 days moving toward the direction the people wanted then Bush did in 8 years....Bush said the same things in his campaign promises- then did nothing to even try and implement them...
 
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