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The difference between Conservatives and Liberals

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

This was from Kolanuraven's post this morning entitled "Do Unto Others."

At first glance this would indicate that those who don't go to church are more compassionate than those who do attend services. Being horseback all morning gave me opportunity to mull all this over in my mind.

I think the main difference between Conservatives and Liberals centers around one word--Accountability. Conservatives like to work hard, knowing that their efforts will be rewarded. When you work, you make money. When you make money, you eat. If you make extra money, you not only eat well and can afford the necessities of life, but you have spendable income to be able to also afford a few luxuries. If you are of a generous nature, by feeling blessed yourself, you can bless others with the fruits of your labor. Hard work is almost a reward in and of itself, because it allows a person to sleep well at night being satisfied that you tried your hardest.

Conservatives tend to be accountable. They are accountable to themselves, to their family, to their employer, to their community, and to their Creator. They recognize that Christianity and the love of God fall into place with being a Conservative. They realize that God's Holy Word serves to be the best guide for leading a life of productivity and good morals. They realize that if they hold themselves accountable to God, and accept the gift of His Only Son as their Savior, great rewards await them in the next life.

Because Conservatives are accountable, they also hold others accountable. They like to spend their own money the way they see fit. They balk at having the government take their money to spend it foolishly in unproductive ways.

Conservatives recognize that one worm can spoil a whole bushel of apples. If the worm is eliminated, the apples don't spoil. Capital punishment is a form of getting rid of worms. Terrorists are worms, so to speak. If a little torture can eliminate problems on down the road, the end justifies the means.
 

nonothing

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Faster horses said:
Here I am, cheerleading again.

That was really spoken well, Soap. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :tiphat:

Soapweed I do not understand,you of all people considering your self any better then the next guy....I never knew you to be such a man that puts himself above others.Why is it you conservatives are constantly telling the world you are better people then everyone else?...I just do not get it....thats like saying liberals do not feed their families or work hard..Honestly i think it is shameful and not god worthy to paint such a high picture of yourself while running others down.You people always seem to speak for God,but God never talks of treating anyone above anyone else..Your article talks about accountability,where is yours?
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
Faster horses said:
Here I am, cheerleading again.

That was really spoken well, Soap. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :tiphat:

Soapweed I do not understand,you of all people considering your self any better then the next guy....I never knew you to be such a man that puts himself above others.Why is it you conservatives are constantly telling the world you are better people then everyone else?...I just do not get it....thats like saying liberals do not feed their families or work hard..Honestly i think it is shameful and not god worthy to paint such a high picture of yourself while running others down.You people always seem to speak for God,but God never talks of treating anyone above anyone else..Your article talks about accountability,where is yours?

Nonothing, I've had a couple long hard days, and admittedly this didn't come out quite like I wanted it to. I am not putting myself above anyone. It is just that Liberals would rather spend other people's money more than they would their own. By putting everyone's money in the same pot, and then "sharing the wealth," there is no incentive for anyone to work harder than the next guy to put money into that common pot. Pretty soon no one will care, and no one will work.

Liberals are compassionate, but they often don't use common sense. Take for instance, the horse slaughter issue. Horses are animals that man has dominion over. I don't like to see horses mistreated any more than anyone else, but it is happening more now than when there were no laws against it. Now that the Liberals have made it illegal to slaughter horses, horses are being abandoned and left to fend for themselves. They are starving to death and dying slow suffering painful deaths. Horses are personal property that once had salvage value. Now an old unusable horse is worth nothing, and often it costs money to have the horse euthanized and buried. The horse meat, that once fed hungry people and was worth money, is now completely wasted and worthless.

Liberals are usually against capital punishment. Instead of mercifully doing away with a rapist or a murderer, these people are turned loose back into society to continue performing their atrocities on more innocent victims.

These are just a couple of examples. Compassion without common sense is worse than no compassion at all.
 

cowman52

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It's real easy to have compassion when it's someone else footing the bill for it.
Liberals seem to always find some one other than themselves that carries the debt. :oops:
 

redbrand

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Sandhusker said:
"I think the main difference between Conservatives and Liberals centers around one word--Accountability"

Bingo.
:agree: Good one-word explanation. Also seems to me that liberals are "idealists," while conservatives are "realists." :wink:
 

nonothing

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Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Faster horses said:
Here I am, cheerleading again.

That was really spoken well, Soap. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :tiphat:

Soapweed I do not understand,you of all people considering your self any better then the next guy....I never knew you to be such a man that puts himself above others.Why is it you conservatives are constantly telling the world you are better people then everyone else?...I just do not get it....thats like saying liberals do not feed their families or work hard..Honestly i think it is shameful and not god worthy to paint such a high picture of yourself while running others down.You people always seem to speak for God,but God never talks of treating anyone above anyone else..Your article talks about accountability,where is yours?

Nonothing, I've had a couple long hard days, and admittedly this didn't come out quite like I wanted it to. I am not putting myself above anyone. It is just that Liberals would rather spend other people's money more than they would their own. By putting everyone's money in the same pot, and then "sharing the wealth," there is no incentive for anyone to work harder than the next guy to put money into that common pot. Pretty soon no one will care, and no one will work.

Liberals are compassionate, but they often don't use common sense. Take for instance, the horse slaughter issue. Horses are animals that man has dominion over. I don't like to see horses mistreated any more than anyone else, but it is happening more now than when there were no laws against it. Now that the Liberals have made it illegal to slaughter horses, horses are being abandoned and left to fend for themselves. They are starving to death and dying slow suffering painful deaths. Horses are personal property that once had salvage value. Now an old unusable horse is worth nothing, and often it costs money to have the horse euthanized and buried. The horse meat, that once fed hungry people and was worth money, is now completely wasted and worthless.

Liberals are usually against capital punishment. Instead of mercifully doing away with a rapist or a murderer, these people are turned loose back into society to continue performing their atrocities on more innocent victims.

These are just a couple of examples. Compassion without common sense is worse than no compassion at all.

Sorry to hear about your last few days being tough ones....bad days suck no matter what your political ideology....

I take issue with what you say Soapweed because first off I believe in capital punishment....on two counts.One it gives closure to victims families and they deserve to come first.Second,I am a proponent of less tax dollars to jails...why pay to feed and house a killer for their entire life...I say one meal a day no power after ten and chop the wood you need yourself to stay warm at nights....I do not believe they deserve a merciful death ,I honestly think they should die by the sword they used....I have no idea what the horse slaughter involves,but i would bet you that conservative types are involved too.....I have never once asked others to spend thier money on me and nor do i think handouts are for all poor......I do think mental illness is real and without help those afflicted get swallowed up by drugs and life on the street,and then death......If I was to take what you say about lack of incentive,I would venture to you this question,why should those who have no child have there tax dollars go towards educatio?n......Well my answer is,because an educated society is much more benifical to us all then a greedy selfish one..

Your idea of a liberal is not very well founded..It is sad that you put such higher standards on a conservative then a liberal.......I think personal accountability is a person to person thing....There is no way you can tell me hopalong is a better person than others here....Its just not true....Just because you or anyone else is a conservative does not makes you any better or worse then the next person ......Social conservatism is dated and produced alot of dysfunction in its day...From the hiding of abuse in the homes of the fifties to the fear of Elvis Prestly.....If the closed eyes.minds and silence of conservatism were never beaten,you would still be living by the measuring stick of "what will the neighbors think"...All you conservatives seem to want is control over how everyone else lives their own lives.....

God gave us free will and its a darn good thing god is not a conservative,or we would of never been giving that wonderful oppertunity ........
 

nonothing

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redbrand said:
Sandhusker said:
"I think the main difference between Conservatives and Liberals centers around one word--Accountability"

Bingo.
:agree: Good one-word explanation. Also seems to me that liberals are "idealists," while conservatives are "realists." :wink:

Realists are realists because they do not have the guts or the fortitude to change..They would rather bitch about what they used to have rather then stand up and build a better life for all.....being a realist is just being a chickenshit..Its easy to complain, anyone can do it..and thats all so called realists do,is find reasons to not change their position in life.....A realist is lazy and easily submissive,always talking about the past and the good old days.Why not create the good new days and stop blaming liberals or islam or whatever or whoever else you can think of....Why not take an Idea and move with it.....the tea parties are a great example of an idea with effort...those who thought of that were idealists with a purpose,and it promoted change....It then became real and did happened....To have something,anything become real it must be an idea first.....
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Soapweed I do not understand,you of all people considering your self any better then the next guy....I never knew you to be such a man that puts himself above others.Why is it you conservatives are constantly telling the world you are better people then everyone else?...I just do not get it....thats like saying liberals do not feed their families or work hard..Honestly i think it is shameful and not god worthy to paint such a high picture of yourself while running others down.You people always seem to speak for God,but God never talks of treating anyone above anyone else..Your article talks about accountability,where is yours?

Nonothing, I've had a couple long hard days, and admittedly this didn't come out quite like I wanted it to. I am not putting myself above anyone. It is just that Liberals would rather spend other people's money more than they would their own. By putting everyone's money in the same pot, and then "sharing the wealth," there is no incentive for anyone to work harder than the next guy to put money into that common pot. Pretty soon no one will care, and no one will work.

Liberals are compassionate, but they often don't use common sense. Take for instance, the horse slaughter issue. Horses are animals that man has dominion over. I don't like to see horses mistreated any more than anyone else, but it is happening more now than when there were no laws against it. Now that the Liberals have made it illegal to slaughter horses, horses are being abandoned and left to fend for themselves. They are starving to death and dying slow suffering painful deaths. Horses are personal property that once had salvage value. Now an old unusable horse is worth nothing, and often it costs money to have the horse euthanized and buried. The horse meat, that once fed hungry people and was worth money, is now completely wasted and worthless.

Liberals are usually against capital punishment. Instead of mercifully doing away with a rapist or a murderer, these people are turned loose back into society to continue performing their atrocities on more innocent victims.

These are just a couple of examples. Compassion without common sense is worse than no compassion at all.

Sorry to hear about your last few days being tough ones....bad days suck no matter what your political ideology....
Oh, they weren't "bad" days, but they were many hours long, and I maybe had too much time in the saddle to just "think." :wink:

nonothing said:
I take issue with what you say Soapweed because first off I believe in capital punishment....on two counts.One it gives closure to victims families and they deserve to come first.Second,I am a proponent of less tax dollars to jails...why pay to feed and house a killer for their entire life...I say one meal a day no power after ten and chop the wood you need yourself to stay warm at nights....I do not believe they deserve a merciful death ,I honestly think they should die by the sword they used....I have no idea what the horse slaughter involves,but i would bet you that conservative types are involved too.....

I commend your viewpoint on this subject, nonothing. Many Liberals think murderers, rapists, and other menaces to society should just to turned loose to run rampant. Then the problem really gets out of hand. While we are on the topic, it seems like Liberals will turn loose these violent criminals and terrorists who will harm our country, but these same Liberal people have no problem with the killing of innocent unborn babies, just because they are an "inconvenience." Where is the logic? The bad criminals are sure more of an inconvenience to society than some little baby with a future.

nonothing said:
I have never once asked others to spend thier money on me and nor do i think handouts are for all poor......I do think mental illness is real and without help those afflicted get swallowed up by drugs and life on the street,and then death......If I was to take what you say about lack of incentive,I would venture to you this question,why should those who have no child have there tax dollars go towards educatio?n......Well my answer is,because an educated society is much more benifical to us all then a greedy selfish one..

Education is great, but merely throwing money at education does no good. There also needs to be grading and accountability in the system, instead of just passing every kid on to the next grade so we don't hurt their little insecure feelings. Political correctness has ruined a lot of America's once-very-functional educational structure.

nonothing said:
Your idea of a liberal is not very well founded..It is sad that you put such higher standards on a conservative then a liberal.......I think personal accountability is a person to person thing....There is no way you can tell me hopalong is a better person than others here....Its just not true....Just because you or anyone else is a conservative does not makes you any better or worse then the next person ......Social conservatism is dated and produced alot of dysfunction in its day...From the hiding of abuse in the homes of the fifties to the fear of Elvis Prestly.....If the closed eyes.minds and silence of conservatism were never beaten,you would still be living by the measuring stick of "what will the neighbors think"...All you conservatives seem to want is control over how everyone else lives their own lives.....

God gave us free will and its a darn good thing god is not a conservative,or we would of never been giving that wonderful oppertunity ........

It is not "me" putting higher standards on Conservatives. Conservatives tend to put higher standards on themselves.

You raise many good points, nonothing. I appreciate the discussion. :)
 

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
It always amazes me how he fits that halo under that hat!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

I kinda use it for an invisible stampede string to keep the hat on when the wind is blowing hard. :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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Soapweed said:
kolanuraven said:
It always amazes me how he fits that halo under that hat!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

I kinda use it for an invisible stampede string to keep the hat on when the wind is blowing hard. :wink:


Yeah, I see how there would always be a lot of wind around you!!!!
 

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
Soapweed said:
kolanuraven said:
It always amazes me how he fits that halo under that hat!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

I kinda use it for an invisible stampede string to keep the hat on when the wind is blowing hard. :wink:


Yeah, I see how there would always be a lot of wind around you!!!!

Being kind of a "wind whisperer," I try to train the wind, working with it, and never "break" it. :wink: :)
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
redbrand said:
Sandhusker said:
"I think the main difference between Conservatives and Liberals centers around one word--Accountability"

Bingo.
:agree: Good one-word explanation. Also seems to me that liberals are "idealists," while conservatives are "realists." :wink:

Realists are realists because they do not have the guts or the fortitude to change..They would rather bitch about what they used to have rather then stand up and build a better life for all.....being a realist is just being a chickenshit..Its easy to complain, anyone can do it..and thats all so called realists do,is find reasons to not change their position in life.....A realist is lazy and easily submissive,always talking about the past and the good old days.Why not create the good new days and stop blaming liberals or islam or whatever or whoever else you can think of....Why not take an Idea and move with it.....the tea parties are a great example of an idea with effort...those who thought of that were idealists with a purpose,and it promoted change....It then became real and did happened....To have something,anything become real it must be an idea first.....

Redbrand is exactly right, and you completely missed what he was talking about.

A good example of is point is the liberal's assault weapon ban. Liberals have this ideal that they will make the world a better place by banning them. Conservatives, being realists, know that a ban won't accomplish a dang thing, and that the very "assault" name is an unrealistic title created by a liberal to garner more emotional support.

Another example of liberal idealism and conservative realism is Obama's plan to cap and trade coal out of existence and have everybody driving electric cars. That sounds great to liberals, no coal creating that CO2 that they think is causing problems and no auto emissions. Conservatives point out that plug-in cars will greatly increase the need for electricity, getting rid of coal will cut half of our electricity supply, and you've got no replacement for the power coal would of made - a disaster in the making.

Do you get "idealists" and "realists" now?
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
redbrand said:
:agree: Good one-word explanation. Also seems to me that liberals are "idealists," while conservatives are "realists." :wink:

Realists are realists because they do not have the guts or the fortitude to change..They would rather bitch about what they used to have rather then stand up and build a better life for all.....being a realist is just being a chickenshit..Its easy to complain, anyone can do it..and thats all so called realists do,is find reasons to not change their position in life.....A realist is lazy and easily submissive,always talking about the past and the good old days.Why not create the good new days and stop blaming liberals or islam or whatever or whoever else you can think of....Why not take an Idea and move with it.....the tea parties are a great example of an idea with effort...those who thought of that were idealists with a purpose,and it promoted change....It then became real and did happened....To have something,anything become real it must be an idea first.....

Redbrand is exactly right, and you completely missed what he was talking about.

A good example of is point is the liberal's assault weapon ban. Liberals have this ideal that they will make the world a better place by banning them. Conservatives, being realists, know that a ban won't accomplish a dang thing, and that the very "assault" name is an unrealistic title created by a liberal to garner more emotional support.

Another example of liberal idealism and conservative realism is Obama's plan to cap and trade coal out of existence and have everybody driving electric cars. That sounds great to liberals, no coal creating that CO2 that they think is causing problems and no auto emissions. Conservatives point out that plug-in cars will greatly increase the need for electricity, getting rid of coal will cut half of our electricity supply, and you've got no replacement for the power coal would of made - a disaster in the making.

Do you get "idealists" and "realists" now?

Sandy Just the fact you agree with him proves my point but saying that will not be enough and you will be chasing me down for weeks asking for ananswer ....

First off coal like oil no matter what you say will be used up one day....Second there is a cost to minning it,then shipping it ,then refining it.and the shipping it to its user....Wind power or solar electricty cost nothing to mine...Once the system is up it cost very little to get it to its consumer...See the idealist looks ahead rather then standing still and bitching just like you are who calls himself a realists...Sure coal is needed but what kind of leader would not look ahead for future answers.....A realist leader because they see no need to look ahead what they have is working and thats good enough...

The conservative is always happy with status Quo..They thought the oil lamp was good and if not for a liberal thinker we would still be useing matches to light our way at night...A realist like you Sandy never helps they just stand on the side complaining about what wont work.....to scared to try new ideas,new adventures in life,they would rather tell others how to live then change their own misserable ways....They base their decisions not on practical reasons but reasons of fear.That cant work,or this is stupid or who needs batteries when we have oil lamps...Without idealist you could not even be here to debate with others because a realist would of said."A world wide platfrom where people could type to one another on boxes that plug into the wall.What are you crazy,that is the biggest waste of time ever,it will never work"....Well Sandy it did.If you want to bitch and moan about coal today go ahead.It the realists right..Tomorrow the bitch will be different but it will still be anti productive and full of fear...Remember what is real and that is one day coal will be all used up,not in your lifetime but eventually.It will be because of liberal thinking that a new better, cleaner,cheaper power souce is found....

To answer your last question ...Do you get "idealists" and "realists" now?...
yes I do and always have.I just hope you are not the leader for anyone or aything...as you will be doing a huge disservice to those people all under the guise of being a realist...
 

Sandhusker

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....Wind power or solar electricty cost nothing to mine...Once the system is up it cost very little to get it to its consumer...

And REALITY points out that it costs a hell of a lot to build a wind farm and build solar panels and with today's wind and solar technologyand you could increase the numbers of wind and solar farms 100 fold and still not be able to meet our needs!

See the idealist looks ahead rather then standing still and bitching just like you are who calls himself a realists...

If the idealists have looked ahead, why don't they realize that you can't greatly increase demand while at the same time greatly cutting supply and make things work?

The conservative is always happy with status Quo..

Yeah, we're just overjoyed with the status quo in Washington......

They thought the oil lamp was good and if not for a liberal thinker we would still be useing matches to light our way at night...

How in the heck did you come up with that? Some realism, please?

A realist like you Sandy never helps they just stand on the side complaining about what wont work.....

OK, help me out then. How can you increase electricity needs by 5 and cut supply in half and not have a problem? Without making the price of electricity skyrocket, how will you make that work?

Without idealist you could not even be here to debate with others because a realist would of said."A world wide platfrom where people could type to one another on boxes that plug into the wall.What are you crazy,that is the biggest waste of time ever,it will never work"....

You don't know what a realist is. I'm sorry, nono, but that was really stupid.
 

Steve

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.Wind power or solar electricty cost nothing to mine...Once the system is up it cost very little to get it to its consumer.


I've been involved in a project for a few years now and even with incentives the "investment" in solor /wind generation is a losing proposition..

at a fifteen year investment lifespan a small commercial /residential project will not break even ,

I've studied the data everytime a new change comes along in the law and incentives and everytime we have concluded that the numbers don't add up..

NJ is one of the most lenient liberal states, but we still can't get permits for the larger turbine that could make the plan break even in ten years.. I was handed another packet last night on a solar project. by the look of the project it assumed max power output and getting all the incentive and still fell short by $8900 at the fifteen year break even projection.

most people can't afford to spend $8900 on ideals..

so to say they are free is assuming some one else pays for the land, planning, permits, installation, maintenance and upgrades over the service life of the project..

and as for actually funding and supporting green projects and plans I would be willing to bet many conservatives have done more then the liberals to actually recycle, save and to generate new energy sources..

which leads to my slogan... liberals don't want to support their agenda, they want to force someone else to pay for their liberal agenda..
 
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