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The difference between the two sides of this industry.

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Anonymous

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Over the past week I have been thinking about the biggest difference between the blaming side of this industry and the progressive side of this industry. There is no question that the difference between the two philosophies is based on their understanding vs. lack of understanding of what factors affect cattle prices.

I can offer no greater proof of this than a recent quote from the current president of the South Dakota Stockgrowers Association. In his presidents report, Rick Fox actually stated that imports have a bigger affect on our markets than competitive meats. I actually stood in awe of what I had just read. I couldn't believe it.

R-CALF overstates the impact of imports. What more proof does anyone need than the fact that feeder cattle prices were higher in 2005 with an opened Canadian border than in 2004 with a closed Canadian border yet the blamers continue to blame lower cattle prices on imports.

R-CALF supports "Mandatory" ("Please government, save us from ourselves again") Country of Origin Labeling based on the ignorance that we have all kinds of imported beef being sold in this country at the retail level. The fact is, under their stupid law, only 5% of the beef at the retail level would be labeled as "imported beef" providing that this beef didn't also find it's way to the "food service exemption". How can anyone be so naive as to add the expense of Country of Origin labeling to our industry, WHEN THE FEW CONSUMERS THAT WANT IT CAN BUY SOURCE VERIFIED BEEF NOW, only to segregate 5% of our beef as a NOVELTY ITEM to the benefit of the novelty item??? WHERE'S THE LOGIC?????

Everytime I see one of those "symbolism over substance" bumper stickers about "USA BEEF, ASK FOR IT" I want to slap one along side it that says "95% OF THE BEEF AT THE RETAIL LEVEL IS US BEEF SO EVEN IF YOU ASK FOR IT, THERE'S A 95% CHANCE THAT IS WHAT YOU'LL GET ANYWAY" but it would take up too much space. LOL! Makes import blamers feel good.

R-CALF has over exaggerated packer profits. While their packer blaming heros were telling us about these "HUGE" $400 per head profits in the packing industry, the most efficient packers financial records which were subponoed (sp?) into court only showed a $26 per head profit margin IN THEIR PROFITABLE YEARS???? WHERE'S THE INTEGRITY TO ADMIT WHEN YOU WERE WRONG?????

R-CALF over states the affects of "captive supply". They couldn't prove their case in Pickett but they can't let the conspiracy theory die. Funny how captive supply levels vary very little yet they are the reason for lower cattle prices but still present in higher cattle markets. I suppose that little fact will be puzzling R-CALF scientists for years.

On the opposite side of the equation, NCBA realizes that the only new money to come into this industry will come from the consumer both foreign and abroad. One side of our industry is focused on "scape goats" while the other side is focused on the consumer. R-CALFers blame NCBA for not joining them in their baseless packer blaming allegations when NCBA is understandably focused on the consumer.

The blaming side of this industry made their mistake when they let a handful of salebarn managers with an agenda to maintain "socialized cattle marketing" become the spokespersons for the cattlemen. I can assure you that the Livestock Marketing Police does not speak for me.

There's no question that the biggest difference between the two sides of this industry has it's roots in the understanding of what factors truly affect cattle prices. R-CALF couldn't be more wrong and it's proven time and time again in court.

I would love to listen to a discussion on which factors affect cattle prices at a blamer's convention. I bet you couldn't get two blamers to agree unless they just let their leaders make back to back contradicting statements while they sat there nodding their heads in agreement to both statements. LOL!

Perhaps that would be an interesting topic for discussion.



~SH~
 

RoperAB

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Plus no President is going to close the border because you need trade with Canada. NAFTA comes due in either 2007 or 2008. LOL Doesnt matter if every producers joins rcalf and it doesnt matter if the President is Democrat or Republican. They will renew NAFTA.
 
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Anonymous

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Consumers outvote producers 98% to 2%. It isn't hard to figure out is it?


~SH~
 

Econ101

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And consumers are the ones getting the shaft by Walmart selling USDA Select off as USDA Choice. It is the regulatory agency that has been stifled into not being able to efficiently bring penalties to companies like this that make the public mad as ____ at the current governing executive branch and its inability to govern for the people instead of K Street. Lack of Congressional oversight as well. Look at the poll numbers, SH. It is the reason there is such pandering in D.C. The politicians know they have been caught and are trying desperately to make it look like they are on the people's side. It isn't hard to figure out.

The juries don't buy all of the little arguments you have made and the packers have to get the judicial branch to go along with them to not have penalties to their actions.

Some people are just getting a little tired of it.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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~SH~ said:
Consumers outvote producers 98% to 2%. It isn't hard to figure out is it?

So you're saying that the 98% should allow the other 2% to go out of business or work for poverty wages? Thats short term thinking.

The more you post SH, the more I realize you are not a cattle producer.

Rod
 

Jason

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Rod, what SH is saying is that consumers who are not ranchers (the 98%) would all say yes we need to help our farmers and ranchers (the 2%) until they are faced with the bill at the supermarket.

As soon as they see a lower priced alternative they will buy it. It is human nature.
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "And consumers are the ones getting the shaft by Walmart selling USDA Select off as USDA Choice."

Wow, first statement I read from you today is a lie Conman. I guess nothing's changed with you surprise, surprise!


Rod: "So you're saying that the 98% should allow the other 2% to go out of business or work for poverty wages? Thats short term thinking."

Typical blamer spin job!

No Rod, I'm saying that the consumer will outvote the producer on cheap food policies by a 98% to 2% margin whether we like it or not. It's a political reality. Something you blamers don't deal with very well is reality.

With ranch land selling for $600 per acre, it's obvious that someone will be willing to ranch at a loss.


Rod: "The more you post SH, the more I realize you are not a cattle producer."

So now you are going to start lying too? I guess it goes with the blaming territory huh?

Would you like to place a small wager on whether or not I'm a cattle producer? Name the bet Rodney!

Nowhere have I ever heard it stated that one had to be a whiny packer blamer to be considered a producer.

The more you post I realize how little you know about this industry.

You guys with all your theories and nothing to back them armed only with your need to blame.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "No Rod, I'm saying that the consumer will outvote the producer on cheap food policies by a 98% to 2% margin whether we like it or not. It's a political reality. Something you blamers don't deal with very well is reality."

You've also said that if COOL is implemented, consumers will buy Canadian and Mexican beef because it will have novelty status. Make up your mind, price or novelty?
 

RoperAB

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If things are so great in Europe then why do I have so many neighbours from there who have moved here for the opportunities that they never had back in Europe?
They all tend to be very Conservative and do not want the government to get involved in the industry.
You know there is nothing stopping an rcalfer from moving up here and going into business if they think the grass is so much greener.
LOL on another thread I was looking for partners to go into the droving business and not one person on here wanted in with me :lol:
But really if any of you want a bunch of government regulation then just move from North America to the country of your choice and set up shop.
I dont understand why so many on here are convinced that somebody has to lose in order for you to win. LOLs So if one of your neibhours is having a hard time do you hope he goes out of business so you will get a bigger piece of the imaginery pie that does not exist?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "You've also said that if COOL is implemented, consumers will buy Canadian and Mexican beef because it will have novelty status. Make up your mind, price or novelty?"

Yet another deceptive spin job from the "master of illusion".

Since when is price and novelty an either/or situation???

If Canadian beef and US beef are priced the same, the advantage will go towards the novelty item.

Our hispanic population will certainly not shy away from beef from their native country.

Slow day huh?


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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~SH~ said:
Sandbag: "You've also said that if COOL is implemented, consumers will buy Canadian and Mexican beef because it will have novelty status. Make up your mind, price or novelty?"

Yet another deceptive spin job from the "master of illusion".

Since when is price and novelty an either/or situation???

If Canadian beef and US beef are priced the same, the advantage will go towards the novelty item.

Our hispanic population will certainly not shy away from beef from their native country.

Slow day huh?


~SH~

Why does Pepsi outsell Shasta? Why does Jack Daniels outsell Old Crow? Why does Van Camps outsell Shur-Fine? Why does Budweiser outsell Old Milwaukee? In all of these examples, the higher priced product vasty outsells the lower priced product. Where is the 98% margin for the lower price here?
 

Econ101

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SH:Conman: "And consumers are the ones getting the shaft by Walmart selling USDA Select off as USDA Choice."


Wow, first statement I read from you today is a lie Conman. I guess nothing's changed with you surprise, surprise! "

Econ: Where is the "lie", SH? Again, the truth comes out----anything that SH does not agree with is a "lie". Who else has your dictionary, SH?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "Why does Pepsi outsell Shasta? Why does Jack Daniels outsell Old Crow? Why does Van Camps outsell Shur-Fine? Why does Budweiser outsell Old Milwaukee? In all of these examples, the higher priced product vasty outsells the lower priced product. Where is the 98% margin for the lower price here?"

Yet another DECEPTIVE apples to watermelons spin job.

Consumers are willing to pay more for Pepsi, Jack Daniels, Van Camps, and Budweiser DUE TO THOSE PRODUCTS BEING OF HIGHER QUALITY TO THE CONSUMER.

I would love to see you try to prove that Canadian beef is of lower quality than US BEEF. Just because your fearless leaders exaggerate the impact of Canadian imports and want to stop Canadian imports by lying about the safety of Canadian beef does not mean that US consumers are stupid enough to believe them.

NEXT!


~SH~
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "Where is the lie"


The lie is that Walmart is selling "USDA Select" beef as "USDA Choice". That is the lie!

When asked about this lie, your response was (paraphrasing): "Well, that's what some lady at Walmart said........"



~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
Conman: "Where is the lie"


The lie is that Walmart is selling "USDA Select" beef as "USDA Choice". That is the lie!

When asked about this lie, your response was (paraphrasing): "Well, that's what some lady at Walmart said........"



~SH~

It is not a lie, SH. Maybe in your dictionary, but who cares about your dictionary? It isn't even written down.
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "It is not a lie, SH."

Prove it you damn liar!

Prove that Walmart is selling "USDA SELECT" as "USDA CHOICE".

It's nothing more than more bullsh*t from you, the LYING KING.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "No Rod, I'm saying that the consumer will outvote the producer on cheap food policies by a 98% to 2% margin whether we like it or not. It's a political reality. Something you blamers don't deal with very well is reality."

SH, "Consumers are willing to pay more for Pepsi, Jack Daniels, Van Camps, and Budweiser DUE TO THOSE PRODUCTS BEING OF HIGHER QUALITY TO THE CONSUMER"

You contradict yourself again! What's the trigger, price or quality? Make up your mind.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "You contradict yourself again! What's the trigger, price or quality? Make up your mind."

You fail to back your allegation of a contradiction again.

More cheap talk!

Each situation is different regarding when price is the trigger, when quality is the trigger, and when "rarity" (novelty) is the trigger.

Only an idiot like you would think that each situation is comparable to the next.

Price and quality are both factors that affect consumer purchasing decisions but in the case of Canadian beef vs. US beef, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE, US beef does not have a quality advantage so the novelty item prevails.

Want proof?

New Zealand lamb outsold US lamb at the retail meat counter. WHY? NOVELTY!

No significant price or quality differences.

NEXT!


~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
Conman: "It is not a lie, SH."

Prove it you damn liar!

Prove that Walmart is selling "USDA SELECT" as "USDA CHOICE".

It's nothing more than more bullsh*t from you, the LYING KING.


~SH~

SH, how do you know it was a lie? Go ask the Walmart man in your town. You may have the same experience. For you to be as omniscient as you claim that you know what happened in my experience is really putting yourself in the place of God. Do you really want to do that? Do you serve purple cool aid at your meetings? Does anyone but coyotes attend?
 
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