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The High Cost of Doing without Universal Health Care

Cal

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Mrs.Greg said:
Good post Cal, interesting reading.Like I said earlier,each province looks after thier own healthcare so I can't really speak for any province but Alberta.Never has anyone in our family had any problams getting care at all, as a matter of fact the care has been outstanding! Recently a one year old nephew has been diagnosed with cancer,had treatments within three days.His parents are a young couple not from the city that the treatments were done,they were given a social worker that set them up with place to stay,and how to get care for the other little guy at home. The little one with cancer was airlifted twice, lots of medications...on and on the parents pay nothing.The dad has healthcare provided by his place of employment. The part of your artical I didn't agree with was that Albertans are pressuring for privatisation.....WRONG....Ralph is!!! :mad:
Mrs. Greg, could the physicians be leaving highly populated parts of the country where the doctor:patient ratio makes for a very tough work load in favor of more rural areas? I was just wondering because the Canadian folks on here seem to be happy with the care in their areas, yet I've heard of more complaints from people in the cities.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Cal,I was thinking about that throughout this post.I have heard there have been complaints that some people in the city can't access health care providers.The Dr.s have too many patients and won't take more on.I could see that could be a problam.In our rural area we can get a Dr. appointment a week in advance and sooner if theres a need.Also Dr.s have emergency hours,from there if theres a need for further care with a specialist the Dr. has receptionist make an appointment and patient is called with the date and time,this goes for Pet scans,MRI's,Ultrasounds ect.Our county has excellent Dr.s although I do have to admit NONE of them originate from Canada,most are South Africans,and Scottish.The Dr.s were given incentives to join our small county,they were well worth whatever each towns incentive was.See another plus for living in a rural area :D
 

Brad S

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Listen up Cowboys, YOU MUST BE PART OF A LARGE INSURANCE GROUP.
When I was a kid, my Dad's family and employees comprised our BS &BC group. A couple majors and rates trippled. Know thy group, and it would be better if there weren't a bunch of west coast flower shop owners in your group.

Iconsider health care my burden as a parent - PERIOD. If I have to work at Mickey's at night flipping burgers or giving 2fer a dollar blowjobs at the truckstop, I will provide health care for my family. This is a heavy burden, but I look at it like an opportunity to provide the best health care in the world for my kids, for a little more than $10 a day. F the cable, F the cell phone, F the stops at the coffee shop, F the pickup parade at the ropin. Honestly, food, shelter and health care are not what burns up finances.

About a year ago, Cal posted on this very forum, the survivability differences for many common ailments treated by Canada's socialised medicine and the US private enterprise medicine. The US rations with money, Canada rations with timely access - that's why their cancer treatment sucks.
 

nonothing

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Brad S said:
Listen up Cowboys, YOU MUST BE PART OF A LARGE INSURANCE GROUP.
When I was a kid, my Dad's family and employees comprised our BS &BC group. A couple majors and rates trippled. Know thy group, and it would be better if there weren't a bunch of west coast flower shop owners in your group.

Iconsider health care my burden as a parent - PERIOD. If I have to work at Mickey's at night flipping burgers or giving 2fer a dollar blowjobs at the truckstop, I will provide health care for my family. This is a heavy burden, but I look at it like an opportunity to provide the best health care in the world for my kids, for a little more than $10 a day. F the cable, F the cell phone, F the stops at the coffee shop, F the pickup parade at the ropin. Honestly, food, shelter and health care are not what burns up finances.
\About a year ago, Cal posted on this very forum, the survivability differences for many common ailments treated by Canada's socialised medicine and the US private enterprise medicine. The US rations with money, Canada rations with timely access - that's why their cancer treatment sucks.




is this guy for real?
 

Mrs.Greg

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Brad S said:
Listen up Cowboys, YOU MUST BE PART OF A LARGE INSURANCE GROUP.
When I was a kid, my Dad's family and employees comprised our BS &BC group. A couple majors and rates trippled. Know thy group, and it would be better if there weren't a bunch of west coast flower shop owners in your group.

Iconsider health care my burden as a parent - PERIOD. If I have to work at Mickey's at night flipping burgers or giving 2fer a dollar blowjobs at the truckstop, I will provide health care for my family. This is a heavy burden, but I look at it like an opportunity to provide the best health care in the world for my kids, for a little more than $10 a day. F the cable, F the cell phone, F the stops at the coffee shop, F the pickup parade at the ropin. Honestly, food, shelter and health care are not what burns up finances.

About a year ago, Cal posted on this very forum, the survivability differences for many common ailments treated by Canada's socialised medicine and the US private enterprise medicine. The US rations with money, Canada rations with timely access - that's why their cancer treatment sucks.
No,seriously Brad WHERE do you get your information on Canadas health system?????? Prove to me Canadas cancer treatment sucks!!! I'm sure not seeing that!!Greg and I have three family members in Alberta recieving the BEST cancer treatments,they are alive and thriving.Please EXPLAIN!
 

Mrs.Greg

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I think we need to agree to disagree on this one,I can search alot of articals that also say the States healthcare is terrible,I DON'T live there ALWAYS take things I read with a grain of salt...I live in Canada,I know what our healthcare system is like,I also work in healthcare.So I would appreciate it that you talk about your own healthcare system,and leave ours out of it.If any of the Candians want to bring up our healthcare system then thats fair game.I'm really not trying to be disagreeable,I just don't think thats its right to talk about a system you don't live,and I intend on giving you guys the same respect.Thank-you
 

CattleRMe

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Brad S said:
Listen up Cowboys, YOU MUST BE PART OF A LARGE INSURANCE GROUP.
When I was a kid, my Dad's family and employees comprised our BS &BC group. A couple majors and rates trippled. Know thy group, and it would be better if there weren't a bunch of west coast flower shop owners in your group.

Iconsider health care my burden as a parent - PERIOD. If I have to work at Mickey's at night flipping burgers or giving 2fer a dollar blowjobs at the truckstop, I will provide health care for my family. This is a heavy burden, but I look at it like an opportunity to provide the best health care in the world for my kids, for a little more than $10 a day. F the cable, F the cell phone, F the stops at the coffee shop, F the pickup parade at the ropin. Honestly, food, shelter and health care are not what burns up finances.

About a year ago, Cal posted on this very forum, the survivability differences for many common ailments treated by Canada's socialised medicine and the US private enterprise medicine. The US rations with money, Canada rations with timely access - that's why their cancer treatment sucks.


You honestly don't think health insurance does? $700 a month for a couple that are almost 60 isn't out of control? How about for a ranch forking out $1000 dollars a month for two families to be insured with $1000 deductibles? $12000 a year isn't out of control? That is basically 20 calves if we figure them at $600 bucks a head just for insurance.
 

Cal

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CattleRMe said:
Brad S said:
Listen up Cowboys, YOU MUST BE PART OF A LARGE INSURANCE GROUP.
When I was a kid, my Dad's family and employees comprised our BS &BC group. A couple majors and rates trippled. Know thy group, and it would be better if there weren't a bunch of west coast flower shop owners in your group.

Iconsider health care my burden as a parent - PERIOD. If I have to work at Mickey's at night flipping burgers or giving 2fer a dollar blowjobs at the truckstop, I will provide health care for my family. This is a heavy burden, but I look at it like an opportunity to provide the best health care in the world for my kids, for a little more than $10 a day. F the cable, F the cell phone, F the stops at the coffee shop, F the pickup parade at the ropin. Honestly, food, shelter and health care are not what burns up finances.

About a year ago, Cal posted on this very forum, the survivability differences for many common ailments treated by Canada's socialised medicine and the US private enterprise medicine. The US rations with money, Canada rations with timely access - that's why their cancer treatment sucks.


You honestly don't think health insurance does? $700 a month for a couple that are almost 60 isn't out of control? How about for a ranch forking out $1000 dollars a month for two families to be insured with $1000 deductibles? $12000 a year isn't out of control? That is basically 20 calves if we figure them at $600 bucks a head just for insurance.
And you somehow expect it's going to be much cheaper when it's a government entitlement? Oh wait! I forgot, the "rich" are supposed to pay for everything. No backlash from gouging them a little deeper, is there :roll: ?
 

CattleRMe

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My thinking is then we would all be taxed off of our income and everyone would be able to get healthcare and not worry about it bankrupting them. Right now part of the problem with the system is that those who can't afford insurance pay more then those of us with insurance. That makes no sense to me when I get a bill and it says that because of my blue cross blue shield i don't have to pay an amount. Why would they overcharge the people without insurance who can't afford insurance? If a person cannot afford insurance they sure can't afford to pay the charges over the amount.
 

Steve

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My thinking is then we would all be taxed off of our income

sounds good,,,,

but lets break down what is fair.....

is 20% fair, and will we all pay it?

is 30% fair, and will I pay it?

I paid for my health insurance.....paid in full....do I get a refund?

how can I get back the years of sacrifice I paid to earn my insurance?

can you give me back the year I spent off the coast of Iran....

or the 8 months I spent in the Indian ocean?....or the time I served on a sweep in the gulf? ...of my health I lost ?.......

getting health care was one of the reasons I stayed in when times were really tough......

can you give me all the birthdays and milestones I missed while deployed?


so I want a refund,,,,I sacrificed so my family could have health benifits (even if I was not around) ......

I want a refund not a tax off my income.....

why is it that every one should get......when those of US who sacrifice should pay...a tax off our income?
 

Brad S

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Sure, sometimes health insurance is hard to cover, but when you realize the care afforded by insurance, its easily justified. About the only thing that really riles me up anymore is when my kids are suffering, and in that light, great health care is cheap.

I was listening to the Ne gov debates, and the point was made that many are paying nothing that should be paying something - if only 50% coverage.
 

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