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The Japs have BSE test confirmed

Mike

Well-known member
The Japs have recently had their own BSE test confirmed by the EFSA (European Food Safety Administration) as within the guidelines of the organization and passed by flying colors.

The "Fujirebio FRELISA" post mortem rapid BSE test, Fujirebo Inc. Japan.
It is an Antigen capture ELISA utilizing two different monoclonal antibodies to detect Proteinase K resistant PrPsc.

The Reference tests used to confirm the Specificity and Sensitivity were the BIO-RAD TeSeE and the Prionics Check Western.

(Yes folks, the same tests that SH claims will not detect BSE in under 24 months) (Not his "Gold Standard IHC" that we were made nauseous of)

Scores:
Specificity 99.92%
Sensitivity 100%

10,000 ANIMALS WERE USED

NOTE THE TESTS USED FOR REFERENCE. ONE IS THE SAME ONE CREEKSTONE REQUESTED TO USE.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Mike,

Would the test that Creekstone planned to use reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

Yes or no?


Let's see how many dance steps you have learned from your deceptive blaming buddies.



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Mike,

Would the test that Creekstone planned to use reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

Yes or no?


Let's see how many dance steps you have learned from your deceptive blaming buddies.



~SH~

Who knows? You don't. They might have planned to test with bse-tester's test and he says it picks up any bse positives.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Conman,

If that was the case, why did Creekstone's Fielding state, "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE"??

Have fun dancing around that one.



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Conman,

If that was the case, why did Creekstone's Fielding state, "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE"??

Have fun dancing around that one.



~SH~

Semantic games again, SH? Since you have no common sense you may not be able to understand. I was hoping your career advancement meant you had developed better skills. Maybe I was wrong.

My grandfather always said, "You will never catch a fish with your pole out of the water".

Putting your pole in the water doesn't mean you will catch a fish either. Can you figure that one out?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
DIVERSION!

Answer the damn question diverter!

Why did Creekstone's own Fielding say, "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE".

Why would he say that if "BSE TESTED" meant "BSE FREE"???


Keep dancing you circus chicken!



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
DIVERSION!

Answer the damn question diverter!

Why did Creekstone's own Fielding say, "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE".

Why would he say that if "BSE TESTED" meant "BSE FREE"???


Keep dancing you circus chicken!



~SH~

He was allowing for someone like you to continue with your delusions. Sometimes you have to have an out.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Answer the question Conman!

Why did Fielding say "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" if Creekstone's test would reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age?

Sometimes you have to have an out.......sheeeesh! Can't you spin any better than that?

Answer the question!


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Answer the question Conman!

Why did Fielding say "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" if Creekstone's test would reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age?

Sometimes you have to have an out.......sheeeesh! Can't you spin any better than that?

Answer the question!


~SH~

Is this how you got kicked out of class and had to wash busses?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
DIVERSION!

Why did Fielding say "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" if Creekstone's test would reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age?


~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Mike,

Would the test that Creekstone planned to use reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

Yes or no?


Let's see how many dance steps you have learned from your deceptive blaming buddies.
~SH~

It would if they (PrPsc) were present in the sample matter. Although only a few hundred (according to Linda Detwiler, USDA) have tested positive for BSE UTM worldwide, they had to test positive with a test of some sort.

Although Japan's 21 month old was atypical, the test caught it too.

The only reason animals don't usually test positive (especially with IHC)at early ages is because of the incubation period and the numbers of PrPsc haven't accumulated in the obex in substancial enough numbers. Doesn't mean there are none there though.

Many subclincal cases have been positive. But with rapid tests that:

John Clifford - USDA "Inconclusive results are a normal component of most screening tests, which are designed to be extremely sensitive so they will detect any sample that could possibly be positive."
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I'll take that as a no!

In other words, there is no justification for bse testing cattle under 24 months of age if the bse prions will not be revealed in cattle under 24 months of age.

I can't believe you Creekstone advocates are so adamant in getting others to support creating an "ILLUSION" of safety.


Next question,

If Creekstones tests could reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, is there ANY PROOF OF a human health risk from eating beef from cattle under 24 months of age even if bse prions were detectable at that age?

Yes or no?



~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
I'll take that as a no!

In other words, there is no justification for bse testing cattle under 24 months of age if the bse prions will not be revealed in cattle under 24 months of age.

I can't believe you Creekstone advocates are so adamant in getting others to support creating an "ILLUSION" of safety.


Next question,

If Creekstones tests could reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, is there ANY PROOF OF a human health risk from eating beef from cattle under 24 months of age even if bse prions were detectable at that age?

Yes or no?
~SH~

You can take it any way you want to but I did not say no.

Creekstones test can reveal PrPsc in cattle under 24 months. It has happened. It might happen again. Who knows?

SH: If Creekstones tests could reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, is there ANY PROOF OF a human health risk from eating beef from cattle under 24 months of age even if bse prions were detectable at that age?

Would you eat one that tested positive at any age? Would you feed it to your family? Why don't you volunteer your services for some of these research questions?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Mike your answer was, "It would if they (PrPsc) were present in the sample matter".

What if the prions weren't present in the sample matter BUT WERE PRESENT IN THE ANIMAL BUT UNDECTABLE????

THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE!

The "ILLUSION OF SAFETY"!


Reader: "Mike's point needs to be emphasized -- the postmortem tests test the brain and in BSE and vCJD the prions reach the brain at a detectable state late in the process, whereas they might more easily be detected at a younger age and earlier stage -- ANTEMORTEM -- in the appendix, tonsils, lymphoreticular system, and possibly bodily fluids."

They MIGHT not too!

Who is going to hang their hat on a "MIGHT" when it comes to food safety?

Either a test does what it is intended to do or it won't. USDA should be hanging their hats on "MIGHTS".



~SH~
 

Tam

Well-known member
Mike said:
~SH~ said:
I'll take that as a no!

In other words, there is no justification for bse testing cattle under 24 months of age if the bse prions will not be revealed in cattle under 24 months of age.

I can't believe you Creekstone advocates are so adamant in getting others to support creating an "ILLUSION" of safety.


Next question,

If Creekstones tests could reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, is there ANY PROOF OF a human health risk from eating beef from cattle under 24 months of age even if bse prions were detectable at that age?

Yes or no?
~SH~

You can take it any way you want to but I did not say no.

Creekstones test can reveal PrPsc in cattle under 24 months. It has happened. It might happen again. Who knows?

SH: If Creekstones tests could reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, is there ANY PROOF OF a human health risk from eating beef from cattle under 24 months of age even if bse prions were detectable at that age?

Would you eat one that tested positive at any age? Would you feed it to your family? Why don't you volunteer your services for some of these research questions?

Satisfying the Japanese

USDA has sole control of the testing processes in meat plants. And its
officials say they have rejected Creekstone Farms' pleas because the
company's tests don't detect mad cow disease in animals younger than 30
months.
Most U.S. beef comes from 12- to 18-month-old cows.

"The tests are not designed to detect BSE in younger animals," said Andrea
McNally, a spokeswoman for the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection
Service. "So for Creekstone Farms to use the test to say its product is 100
percent BSE-free would be giving consumers a false sense of food safety, a
sense the test is not designed to give
."

Creekstone's Pentz said the company knows that. But the issue, he said,
isn't whether the tests are effective, it's whether the federal government
should -- or can -- prevent a private business from meeting the legal
expectations of its customers. In this instance, the customers want the
testing.
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You said Creekstones test can reveal PrPsc in cattle under 24 months but Creekstone says they know the test can't detect BSE in cattle under 30 months so can you provide a direct quote from Creekstone that proves your claim that the test Creekstone uses can find BSE in cattle under 24 months?
 

PORKER

Well-known member
Creekstones test can reveal PrPsc in cattle under 24 months. It has happened. It might happen again. Who knows?

NEWER AND BETTER TESTS, YOU CAN"T STOP the PROGESS of Man
 

Mike

Well-known member
"The tests are not designed to detect BSE in younger animals," said Andrea McNally, a spokeswoman for the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service.

This statement is a flat out lie. A test cannot be designed to determine age, nor does it care about age of an animal. The tests are designed to find Proteinase K resistant proteins in the Obex or material they reside in. The problem is incubation times which may vary considerably from animal to animal.

Furthurmore, if you believe this crap, you are a bigger fool than I thought you were. Use your danged common sense. Who would design a test that would not find these proteins in younger animals?, should they be there?

The tests are designed to: John Clifford, APHIS-"Inconclusive results are a normal component of most screening tests, which are designed to be extremely sensitive so they will detect any sample that could possibly be positive."

Tam, it is not hard to see through your BS. You have been as critical as anyone here (maybe besides me) of the USDA, yet you take this statement as fact? The USDA has used every trick in the book to deny Creekstone the ability to please their customers. It will be interesting to watch the court proceedings should they play out.

By posting these statements as proof of scientific fact, you have shown your incompetency in these matters along with a clear inability to reason.

Maybe you are better at weddings. I would bet so.

SH's statement: (paraphrasing) 'The tests will not find prions in animals less than 24 months', is not the truth either.

There is simply no scientific basis for it.

A newspaper column proves nothing. Get over it.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Mike,

You took that statement totally out of context. "designed to detect" means the tests can't do what they're not capable of doing not that they were INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED TO NOT DETECT PRIONS IN YOUNGER ANIMALS. Good grief!

You're getting as bad as the liar and the deceiver.

Where's your proof that bse prions can be detected in animals under 24 months of age with Creekstone's test???

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF CONSUMER DECEPTION ADVOCATE?????

Not only is it deceptive, according to one usda representative, it's also illegal due to not meeting USDA approval.

I would love to see you consumer deception advocates stand in front of the Japanese consumers that want testing and tell them that these tests would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age BUT YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT, HELL NO, YOU'D CREATE THE ILLUSION THAT THEY COULD.

Prove it, prove it! What a sorry bunch you blamers are!


~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
Where's your proof that bse prions can be detected in animals under 24 months of age with Creekstone's test???

Where's your proof it can't?

Why do you keep calling it "Creekstones" test?

It is the BIO-RAD TeSE/Platelia Elisa. Used throughout the world, not just made for Creekstone.

Not only is it deceptive, according to one usda representative, it's also illegal due to not meeting USDA approval.

That's a joke right? Because the USDA had pussyfooted around and had not approved ANY rapid tests until long after the Washington cow, and had virtually no surveillance sytem in place while the rest of the world had, they are saying it's against the law? You are joking, right?

That just shows more of their incompetency!

I'll ignore your "Out of Context" statement, because I know the accuracy rates of the test and that it is used to reference new tests being introduced.
 
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