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The liberal mindset

Red Robin

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The liberal mindset is revealed very well in the original humanist manifesto. I thought I'd post it so others could see what drives them.

FIRST: Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created.
SECOND: Humanism believes that man is a part of nature and that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process.

THIRD: Holding an organic view of life, humanists find that the traditional dualism of mind and body must be rejected.

FOURTH: Humanism recognizes that man's religious culture and civilization, as clearly depicted by anthropology and history, are the product of a gradual development due to his interaction with his natural environment and with his social heritage. The individual born into a particular culture is largely molded by that culture.

FIFTH: Humanism asserts that the nature of the universe depicted by modern science makes unacceptable any supernatural or cosmic guarantees of human values. Obviously humanism does not deny the possibility of realities as yet undiscovered, but it does insist that the way to determine the existence and value of any and all realities is by means of intelligent inquiry and by the assessment of their relations to human needs. Religion must formulate its hopes and plans in the light of the scientific spirit and method.

SIXTH: We are convinced that the time has passed for theism, deism, modernism, and the several varieties of "new thought".

SEVENTH: Religion consists of those actions, purposes, and experiences which are humanly significant. Nothing human is alien to the religious. It includes labor, art, science, philosophy, love, friendship, recreation — all that is in its degree expressive of intelligently satisfying human living. The distinction between the sacred and the secular can no longer be maintained.

EIGHTH: Religious Humanism considers the complete realization of human personality to be the end of man's life and seeks its development and fulfillment in the here and now. This is the explanation of the humanist's social passion.

NINTH: In the place of the old attitudes involved in worship and prayer the humanist finds his religious emotions expressed in a heightened sense of personal life and in a cooperative effort to promote social well-being.

TENTH: It follows that there will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural.

ELEVENTH: Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported by custom. We assume that humanism will take the path of social and mental hygiene and discourage sentimental and unreal hopes and wishful thinking.

TWELFTH: Believing that religion must work increasingly for joy in living, religious humanists aim to foster the creative in man and to encourage achievements that add to the satisfactions of life.

THIRTEENTH: Religious humanism maintains that all associations and institutions exist for the fulfillment of human life. The intelligent evaluation, transformation, control, and direction of such associations and institutions with a view to the enhancement of human life is the purpose and program of humanism. Certainly religious institutions, their ritualistic forms, ecclesiastical methods, and communal activities must be reconstituted as rapidly as experience allows, in order to function effectively in the modern world.

FOURTEENTH: The humanists are firmly convinced that existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted. A socialized and cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the equitable distribution of the means of life be possible. The goal of humanism is a free and universal society in which people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good. Humanists demand a shared life in a shared world.

FIFTEENTH AND LAST: We assert that humanism will: (a) affirm life rather than deny it; (b) seek to elicit the possibilities of life, not flee from them; and (c) endeavor to establish the conditions of a satisfactory life for all, not merely for the few. By this positive morale and intention humanism will be guided, and from this perspective and alignment the techniques and efforts of humanism will flow.

So stand the theses of religious humanism. Though we consider the religious forms and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate, the quest for the good life is still the central task for mankind. Man is at last becoming aware that he alone is responsible for the realization of the world of his dreams, that he has within himself the power for its achievement. He must set intelligence and will to the task.

[EDITOR'S NOTE: There were 34 signers of this document, including Anton J. Carlson, John Dewey, John H. Dietrich, R. Lester Mondale, Charles Francis Potter, Curtis W. Reese, and Edwin H. Wilson.]
 

Disagreeable

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The liberal mindset is revealed very well in the original humanist manifesto. I thought I'd post it so others could see what drives them.

No, it shows your mindset. This article doesn't mention liberals at all. Most liberals I know believe "I am my brother's keeper." That includes those people stranded after Katrina.
 

jigs

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Disagreeable said:
The liberal mindset is revealed very well in the original humanist manifesto. I thought I'd post it so others could see what drives them.

No, it shows your mindset. This article doesn't mention liberals at all. Most liberals I know believe "I am my brother's keeper." That includes those people stranded after Katrina.

I thought Liberals believed that the people in New Orleans were kept poor by the Republicans......therefore your quote should be "the greedy hate mongering Republicans, are my brothers keeper."

how do you justify that we do not care about the Katrina victims??? after all we have been paying the taxes that support the welfare system, which inturn supports the majority of New Orleans...... therefore, it proves I care.

I have a buddy leaving Nebraska to work in Louisiana, simply put, the businesses down there can not get help because all the welfare kings have gotten fat checks and think they will lay around until it dries up.....really pushing that American Dream down there aren't they! no wonder they are a strong Dem voting base!
 

jigs

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because that is all they show on television!!! if we believed only what the press showed us, there would be nothing but black welfare recieving homeless people in N.O.

the only whites ever interviewed are standing there by a home slightly damaged and the press turns it into a story about the fortune of the whites that live SSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOo much better than the blacks, that thier homes were saved do to a better neighborhood.

the part that sickens me the most is how the press plays the race card night after night......
 

nonothing

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So jigs your beef is with the Media not the Liberals?......And huminist are just that huminists,not republican or dem's.......why does it always have to come down to being a liberal or not here....You all need labels so bad it seems....If you like G.Bush excellent,if you dont like him,excellent......there is no right asnswer.........you cant dissagree with all he has done in power and you cant agree with all he has done either.....the ones that make it about sides are really the closed minded ones.
 

jigs

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no President is perfect. no political party is perfect. I think everyone ought to be thrown out and we start all over....( we kill every lawyer and union leader in this new beginning)

however, the Republican view of lower taxes, economic growth and investment, with each being responsible for his own worth seems more sensible to me. the Democrats want to tax the hell out of the productive base, give it to the non producers, and convince them that the rich evil people of the world are holding them down as they get richer and fatter....

democrats thrive on racial and economical class divides, that is the sole base of thier power. they put the have vs. the have nots.

Rep. " we want to help you help yourself"

Dem " we will give you the money you DESERVE and we are gonna get it from the rich businessman who is stealing it from you in the first place."

now, tell me which party truly cars for this nation and it's people.....
 

Soapweed

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jigs said:
no President is perfect. no political party is perfect. I think everyone ought to be thrown out and we start all over....( we kill every lawyer and union leader in this new beginning)

however, the Republican view of lower taxes, economic growth and investment, with each being responsible for his own worth seems more sensible to me. the Democrats want to tax the hell out of the productive base, give it to the non producers, and convince them that the rich evil people of the world are holding them down as they get richer and fatter....

democrats thrive on racial and economical class divides, that is the sole base of thier power. they put the have vs. the have nots.

Rep. " we want to help you help yourself"

Dem " we will give you the money you DESERVE and we are gonna get it from the rich businessman who is stealing it from you in the first place."

now, tell me which party truly cars for this nation and it's people.....

You summed it up very well, Jigs.

You can tell a Liberal, but you can't tell them much. They plug their ears and flat don't listen.

The whole Liberal mindset is based on pessimism. Any bad news for the country is good news for them. They don't want things to roll along smoothly, because when it does no one listens to them. They would rather be able to say "I told you so" if something goes wrong, than to be able to say "That worked out for the best, even though we didn't think it would."

Liberals are victims and whiners instead of doers of what needs to be done to make things better.

Liberals are too "tolerant". They like the feely good, politically correct, "don't tromp on anyone's toes" garbage. They think nothing of killing an unborn baby, but will go to great lengths to save the life of a criminal convicted of a heinous crime. They can't distinguish between right and wrong. The world spins round and round, and has for thousands of years. The Liberals think that if they spin enough, individually, they can make the world stand still, or at the very least wobble in the direction they want it to go.
 

nonothing

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I think you judge liberals very unfairly.It seems to me you people think that no liberal leader has done well by you......I am not saying your wrong or right.but this labeling stops anything positive by getting done..cant good men just be good men,no matter their party blood?If they do good by others and fix problems,does it matter thier political blood?......Was clinton really that bad?.From what i saw your country had positive growth in many ways under cliton and he got raked over for getting action in the oval office......And you non liberals still bring that up,but did he not do anything positive?....Even the Great GW.Bush asked clinton for help..Soapweed i think its best to judge the man not the party,and in the end,I suspect,each side does put America first....
 

jigs

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nonothing said:
I think you judge liberals very unfairly.It seems to me you people think that no liberal leader has done well by you......I am not saying your wrong or right.but this labeling stops anything positive by getting done..cant good men just be good men,no matter their party blood?If they do good by others and fix problems,does it matter thier political blood?......Was clinton really that bad?.From what i saw your country had positive growth in many ways under cliton and he got raked over for getting action in the oval office......And you non liberals still bring that up,but did he not do anything positive?....Even the Great GW.Bush asked clinton for help..Soapweed i think its best to judge the man not the party,and in the end,I suspect,each side does put America first....

honestly, I think the key to being a politician, is to put yourself first..... they all seem to do it that way.


to prove Soapweeds point, I heard on the radio today that there was an ad in one of the new york papers that said to vote Republican....the ad was paid for by the Dem. national party.....the theory behind it was, that things look so bleak, if the Republicans win and the whole works goes down hill, the Dems are virtually guaranteed to win everything the next time around. pessimistic view if ever I saw one !!!

we can not win unless we make the Republicans look bad. real strong party line they have!
 

jigs

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kolanuraven said:
Jigs:
Why in the world do you have the idea that the ONLY people hurt in the hurricane were black and on welfare?


go back and read my post...I never mentioned blacks....You are a racist!!!!
I speak of welfare and you imediatly assumed I meant blacks.

I am upset at that thought....I actually meant blacks AND hispanics.
 

Disagreeable

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You heard that on the radio, did you? Couldn't be on Rush or O'Reilly, etc., could it? Do you seriously think the Democratic Party would put their name on an ad for Republicans?:roll: Winning the Congress is not a game of sports. It's a serious business of running our country. The Republicans have done a terrible job since they took control, huge deficits, weakened military, wars, scandal, corruption, infringing on our civil liberties..... Whoever is elected this year and in '08 is going to a hard job dealing with the mess this Administration has made of our country. Democrats are PO-ed. They've had no problem recruiting people to run for Congressional seats across the US. On the other hand, Republicans are scraping the bottom of the barrel and coming up short for candidates to challenge Democratic seats.

I did hear Paul Harvey recently and he was very negative about the Iraqi war. He said our troops should come home. I was surprised. I thought he was a conservative!
 

kolanuraven

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Jigs....Jigs.....Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject:

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because that is all they show on television

Well....I guess it must be true then if it's on TV!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

jigs

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Disagreeable said:
You heard that on the radio, did you? Couldn't be on Rush or O'Reilly, etc., could it? Do you seriously think the Democratic Party would put their name on an ad for Republicans?:roll: Winning the Congress is not a game of sports. It's a serious business of running our country. The Republicans have done a terrible job since they took control, huge deficits, weakened military, wars, scandal, corruption, infringing on our civil liberties..... Whoever is elected this year and in '08 is going to a hard job dealing with the mess this Administration has made of our country. Democrats are PO-ed. They've had no problem recruiting people to run for Congressional seats across the US. On the other hand, Republicans are scraping the bottom of the barrel and coming up short for candidates to challenge Democratic seats.

I did hear Paul Harvey recently and he was very negative about the Iraqi war. He said our troops should come home. I was surprised. I thought he was a conservative!

no Dis, it ws on the Glenn Beck show. he comes on right before Rush, perhaps you would see the light if you listened to Rush....
 

Frankk

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jigs said:
no President is perfect. no political party is perfect. I think everyone ought to be thrown out and we start all over....( we kill every lawyer and union leader in this new beginning)

however, the Republican view of lower taxes, economic growth and investment, with each being responsible for his own worth seems more sensible to me. the Democrats want to tax the hell out of the productive base, give it to the non producers, and convince them that the rich evil people of the world are holding them down as they get richer and fatter....

democrats thrive on racial and economical class divides, that is the sole base of thier power. they put the have vs. the have nots.

Rep. " we want to help you help yourself"

Dem " we will give you the money you DESERVE and we are gonna get it from the rich businessman who is stealing it from you in the first place."

now, tell me which party truly cars for this nation and it's people.....

How much did you receive in welfare or subsidies last year?
 

jigs

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Frankk said:
jigs said:
no President is perfect. no political party is perfect. I think everyone ought to be thrown out and we start all over....( we kill every lawyer and union leader in this new beginning)

however, the Republican view of lower taxes, economic growth and investment, with each being responsible for his own worth seems more sensible to me. the Democrats want to tax the hell out of the productive base, give it to the non producers, and convince them that the rich evil people of the world are holding them down as they get richer and fatter....

democrats thrive on racial and economical class divides, that is the sole base of thier power. they put the have vs. the have nots.

Rep. " we want to help you help yourself"

Dem " we will give you the money you DESERVE and we are gonna get it from the rich businessman who is stealing it from you in the first place."

now, tell me which party truly cars for this nation and it's people.....

How much did you receive in welfare or subsidies last year?

well, I believe that the amount of hours I put in with in a year is a bit more than those that lay around and cash thier check for booze and cigarettes.

I may get some govt. money in the form of subsidies, but I believe that it is money I would have recieved anyway, if they would get out and let the free market set the value of the crops in the first place.

Of course, if I were unemployed, and on welfare, I would possibly be driving a nicer car, and have nicer boots, and a lot more free time!
 

theHiredMansWife

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welfare is welfare jigs.



And where do you get this stuff?? :???:
hose that lay around and cash thier check for booze and cigarettes.
Granted stereotypes are often based on fact, but rather like the Katrina victims, to believe that they're all like that so you can turn up your nose seems like bigotry.
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Rather like saying liberals (or conservatives!) all do this, or all do that and it's always something negative... That's bigotry...
It's an excuse to demean others and marginalized their opinions and beliefs.
 

jigs

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if welfare is welfare, then why does the EWG list farm subsidies and not the amount of money that the welfare moms, and dead beat men get every month????

when there is a web site listing EVERY person getting govt. money (which most do not realize that it is not really the govt's money) then I will be happy.

as for last year, I recieved roughly 9 thousand dollars. anyone else gonna go balls up and say they got some cash?
 

kolanuraven

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I will. I didn't sign up for anything....nothing!

No gov't cks of any kind for me....didn't want it.....yeah probably could have used it....but had the foolish hope it might go somewhere else where it would be put to better use.

My "bad "I suppose!!
 
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