Tam said:
Econ101 said:
Tam:
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"Econ101":Tam, the USDA may try to blame bse on producers for not going along with what the packers want them to go along with but who cares?
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1.what our customers are demanding regarding traceability. What they're demanding is simply 100%. ----
2.Our customers -- consumers, restaurants and grocery stores -- are demanding it, and it's quickly becoming a cost of participating in the global beef market.
3.If free enterprise works, consumers are demanding it, and our industry has the ability to do it, why are we spinning our wheels? ---
4.Thankfully, the invisible hand of the marketplace is already moving -- McDonald's is paying premiums, and Wal-Mart is making demands.
Tam, a pure bse free herd is what is needed and a real regulatory agency that does its job with respect to health threats and food safety.
Tam, you are from Canada. I know you have been trained to accept the second best choice. Maybe you can not help thinking this way.
eCON you are right for once a pure bse free herd is
what is needed but you don't have one, and by the age of your positive cases you haven't had one for a VERY LONG TIME. In light of that information wouldn't it be nice of producers in the US to give that regulatory agency that you want to do they job with respects to health issues a helpping hand. :nod: Which means providing them with the information that they
need to find sources of the Health risking problem. People like you stand pointing the finger of blame at the USDA but what have US producers done to help? They have tied the hands of anyone that tries to find the birth herd or feed source by NOT ID'ing their cattle.
And your second comment, you should know I'M FROM THE US, THE HOME STATE OF R-CALF , MONTANA. Just ask Oldtimer. :roll: But the part about the second best. tell us eCON
Econ:
from is the operative word here, Tam. I am sure Oltimer is relieved.
1. Who has the stricter feed ban which EXCLUDES three known sources of cross contamination? Canada or the US
Econ: Neither the U.S. or Canada has a govt. that is willing to take on this industry. The Alberta report proved that. Both the U.S. and Canada are still catering to the packers with their SRM policies and not allowing companies to test for bse themselves.
2.Who has a system in place that ID's their whole herd back to birthplace? Canada or the US
Econ: The policies you have adopted because of bseconomics is your problem. It has been shown on this site that the ID situation in Canada is not a panacea for the problem. Not even close.
3.Who has a national system up and running that can age vertifiy by birthdate? Canada or the US
Econ: So are you arguing that it is better to have big brother looking over your shoulder than a competent regulatory agency?
4. Who was not caught cheating the BSE testing by their own government investigators? Canada or the US
Econ: Now you are getting closer to the real problem and the one the Japanese see also.
5. Who has not had to recall BSE infected meat from their Human food Chain? Canada or the US
Econ: You can not say with confidence that there have not been shipments of beef that should have been recalled but were not. It is a problem endemic to both our regulatory agencies.
6. Who had all investigations into BSE positve cattle actually concluded with some results? Canada or the US.
Econ: Same as #6 although I doubt even this solution would have been done without closing the border and creating a crisis for producers that incidentally large packers used to finance their takeover of the Canadian slaughter capacity.
7. Who doesn't have a beef organization threatening consumer confidence with lies and court actions? Canada or the US
Econ: When you call for better food safety is it always "threatening consumer confidence"? If so, maybe rcalf is ahead of you there. It seems you have some catching up to do.
8. who doesn't have a beef organization feeding anti beef groups ammo to shoot producers with? Canada or the US
Econ: That happens to be your problem. The short sightedness of people like you in Canada was the one of the causes for the hard times Canadian producers went through. The blame on that belong squarely on your shoulders. Ask OT.
9 Who was the
first country to see beef demands go up after the discovery of BSE because consumer were confident we were protecting their health?
Econ: If things were so rosey, why are you asking for the U.S. to allow shipments of beef into the U.S.? I happen to be on the producer side of these issues, whether in the U.S. or Canada, but your arguments make it hard.
10. What country did the OIE say should be emulated in their handleing of the discovery of BSE?
Econ: Since when did the OIE guidlines become your bible? It is another argument for convenience.
11. What country was the USDA going to mimic they new BSE safeguards after?
Econ: The only one trying to get the U.S. to mimic your system is a bunch of foriegners and packer backers. Again you are tricked into solution #2 because packers refused to go along with solution #1.
And the list goes on and on.
Econ: And on and on and on.
If that is second best in your eyes eCON I'm glad I made the choice of marrying a CANADIAN RANCHER. As the Canadian system has never been second best to the US system in any respect. :wink: :lol2: :lol2
Econ: There is nothing second best about a decent person anywhere on the globe, Tam. They are all equal. I wish that sometimes you could aspire to that concept.
The second best I was talking about was the choice between a competent regulatory agency in government that can enforce rules and integrity for the industry it regulates vs. the second best packer solution of traceback and no private bse testing so the govts that have shown their incompetency can continue to wield the power and control over the industry for packers that are essentiall bribing govt. officials and politicians.