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The Militarization of Police.

Traveler

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Unless it's actually needed to control all of the gang "children" coming across our open border.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/23/conservatives-libertarians-and-liberals-should-all-worry-about-militarization/?intcmp=obnetwork
 
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Lawmaker drafting bill to demilitarize local police


By Mario Trujillo and Jesse Byrnes - 08/14/14 01:58 PM EDT

A Democratic congressman from Georgia is drafting legislation to limit a Pentagon program that provides surplus military equipment to local law enforcement.

Rep. Hank Johnson is pushing the legislation amid the situation in Ferguson, Mo., where an armed police presence has taken to the streets after mass protests over a police shooting.

"Our main streets should be a place for business, families, and relaxation, not tanks and M16s," Johnson wrote in a Dear Colleague letter sent Thursday to other members of Congress.
“As the tragedy in Missouri unfolds, one thing is clear. Our local police are becoming militarized,” Johnson's office said in a statement.


Johnson said he will introduce the bill in September, when Congress returns from a five-week recess. He has been worked on the legislation for months, but his office said the current situation highlights the need for the bill.

Police have been out in force in Ferguson following the death of Michael Brown, a black teenager who was unarmed when he was shot by a police officer during a street confrontation.

The images coming out of Ferguson — which President Obama on Thursday called “deeply disturbing” — have spurred comparisons with a war zone, with heavily armed police officers pointing weapons at protesters. Some of the protesters have reportedly thrown Molotov cocktails at police.

"Is this a war zone or a US city?" Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) tweeted Wednesday evening, as reports emerged of police using smoke bombs and tear gas to disperse crowds.

Johnson criticized the Pentagon's '1033' program, which offers surplus military equipment to state and local law enforcement, including M16 rifles and mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles (MRAP).

He noted in the last several months those vehicles have been given to cities in Texas, Idaho, Indiana, Minnesota, New York, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona, Illinois and Alabama.

"This trend is not only sweeping America's small cities, it's hitting American college campuses as well. Ohio State University recently acquired an MRAP," he said. "Apparently, college kids are getting too rowdy."

Johnson said his bill would limit the type of equipment that could be transferred and would make sure states track all equipment received.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson on Thursday pushed back on criticism of the police response.

"The whole picture is being painted a little bit sideways from what's happening," Jackson said.

"It's not military, it's tactical operations. It's SWAT teams. That's who's out there — police. We're doing this in blue."

Ferguson Mayor James Knowles similarly defended police conduct, telling MSNBC he could not "second guess these officers."

Lawmakers aren’t convinced and are increasingly sounding the alarm about the new firepower being wielded by police departments.


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/215160-lawmaker-drafting-bill-to-stem-flow-of-tanks-and-m16s-to-police#ixzz3APuffrmI
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Yep- now that the police are having to go up against black rioters - you and old "Guam is going to tip over" Johnson are both in the same bed together...

The one thing they are failing to tell folks is that many of these gangs, cartels, and drug dealers have for years been better armed than the police... The availability of excess military equipment is just giving some the chance to try to catch up...

While I disagree with police that try to create a military look to their departments-- and over utilize SWAT teams and SWAT tactics its also very apparent to me that the bad guys armament has increased many fold in the past 40 years... What used to be a Saturday night special .25 auto or .32 revolver in the hands of the wannabe crook is now an Uzi or a Mach 10...
 

Mike

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It's "Mac" 10, not Mach 10. (Military Armament Corporation) :lol: :lol: You really don't know your weaponry very well do you? :lol: :lol:


I've watched the Militarization of the police for a few years now and it's gone way beyond being "out-gunned". It's to the point of downright comedy.

Every time I see the two MRAPS that belongs to the County go by (headed to the range for maneuvers) I wonder how much they pay that driver to drive that truck a couple of days a month. They haven't used them on an emergency since they got them over three years ago. :roll:

I guess drones are next?



:roll: :roll:
 

Steve

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Yep- now that the police are having to go up against black rioters - you and old "Guam is going to tip over" Johnson are both in the same bed together...


isn't he supposed to be ill or something... I thought making fun of his comment was wrong?
 

Steve

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I guess drones are next?

drones, sensors and night vision would give law enforcement a tactical advantage and probably save lives.. more lives then more firepower.

but to be honest... the appearance of how a guy is dressed doesn't bother nor intimidate me.. I would have the best gear possible if I had to do his job as well..

gun wise,.. an AR/M16 is about the best suited for police work where good aim and close quarters is required..

it isn't the equipment,.. it is the overzealous untrained ones that scare the hell out of me..
 

Traveler

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Oldtimer said:
Lawmaker drafting bill to demilitarize local police


By Mario Trujillo and Jesse Byrnes - 08/14/14 01:58 PM EDT

A Democratic congressman from Georgia is drafting legislation to limit a Pentagon program that provides surplus military equipment to local law enforcement.

Rep. Hank Johnson is pushing the legislation amid the situation in Ferguson, Mo., where an armed police presence has taken to the streets after mass protests over a police shooting.

"Our main streets should be a place for business, families, and relaxation, not tanks and M16s," Johnson wrote in a Dear Colleague letter sent Thursday to other members of Congress.
“As the tragedy in Missouri unfolds, one thing is clear. Our local police are becoming militarized,” Johnson's office said in a statement.


Johnson said he will introduce the bill in September, when Congress returns from a five-week recess. He has been worked on the legislation for months, but his office said the current situation highlights the need for the bill.

Police have been out in force in Ferguson following the death of Michael Brown, a black teenager who was unarmed when he was shot by a police officer during a street confrontation.

The images coming out of Ferguson — which President Obama on Thursday called “deeply disturbing” — have spurred comparisons with a war zone, with heavily armed police officers pointing weapons at protesters. Some of the protesters have reportedly thrown Molotov cocktails at police.

"Is this a war zone or a US city?" Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) tweeted Wednesday evening, as reports emerged of police using smoke bombs and tear gas to disperse crowds.

Johnson criticized the Pentagon's '1033' program, which offers surplus military equipment to state and local law enforcement, including M16 rifles and mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles (MRAP).

He noted in the last several months those vehicles have been given to cities in Texas, Idaho, Indiana, Minnesota, New York, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona, Illinois and Alabama.

"This trend is not only sweeping America's small cities, it's hitting American college campuses as well. Ohio State University recently acquired an MRAP," he said. "Apparently, college kids are getting too rowdy."

Johnson said his bill would limit the type of equipment that could be transferred and would make sure states track all equipment received.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson on Thursday pushed back on criticism of the police response.

"The whole picture is being painted a little bit sideways from what's happening," Jackson said.

"It's not military, it's tactical operations. It's SWAT teams. That's who's out there — police. We're doing this in blue."

Ferguson Mayor James Knowles similarly defended police conduct, telling MSNBC he could not "second guess these officers."

Lawmakers aren’t convinced and are increasingly sounding the alarm about the new firepower being wielded by police departments.


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/215160-lawmaker-drafting-bill-to-stem-flow-of-tanks-and-m16s-to-police#ixzz3APuffrmI
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

Yep- now that the police are having to go up against black rioters - you and old "Guam is going to tip over" Johnson are both in the same bed together...

The one thing they are failing to tell folks is that many of these gangs, cartels, and drug dealers have for years been better armed than the police... The availability of excess military equipment is just giving some the chance to try to catch up...

While I disagree with police that try to create a military look to their departments-- and over utilize SWAT teams and SWAT tactics its also very apparent to me that the bad guys armament has increased many fold in the past 40 years... What used to be a Saturday night special .25 auto or .32 revolver in the hands of the wannabe crook is now an Uzi or a Mach 10...
Was this aimed at me, even though I never posted on the Guam thread? Anyway, I think there are way too many cops out there with smalldicksyndrome, and alcohol and substance abusers in their own right, much less wife beaters, to arm them up like Rambo.

On the other hand, so much crap, be it human and contraband, have come across the southern border we might not have a choice. Still it's interesting how you won't blame Obama, but will ridicule Perry for trying to stem the tide.

How about those hand grenades?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/14/hand-grenades-becoming-key-weapon-in-mexican-cartels-arsenals-say-authorities/
 

Steve

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Was this aimed at me, even though I never posted on the Guam thread?

it didn't look that way to me.. in-fact it looked at a jab at the congressman who is battling a health issue.. :roll:










BTW: I still stand by my assertion that many representatives in DC are as dumb as a board.. or dumber then a board,.. but someone did make an assertion that this guy was ill and had an excuse..
 

Steve

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Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson on Thursday pushed back on criticism of the police response.

"The whole picture is being painted a little bit sideways from what's happening," Jackson said.

"It's not military, it's tactical operations. It's SWAT teams. That's who's out there — police. We're doing this in blue."
 

Mike

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but someone did make an assertion that this guy was ill and had an excuse..

Yep, and that "someone" was OT. I think it was Hepatitis he said gave Johnson the excuse? I thought Hepatitis was a Liver disease?
 
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Steve said:
I guess drones are next?

drones, sensors and night vision would give law enforcement a tactical advantage and probably save lives.. more lives then more firepower.

but to be honest... the appearance of how a guy is dressed doesn't bother nor intimidate me.. I would have the best gear possible if I had to do his job as well..

gun wise,.. an AR/M16 is about the best suited for police work where good aim and close quarters is required..

it isn't the equipment,.. it is the overzealous untrained ones that scare the hell out of me..

Besides much of the equipment being used to provide protection to the public- one of the reasons for having tactical units involved in more situations (especially the serving of warrants on and apprehensions of dangerous offenders) is to make the assertion of strength right off and in that way hoping to reduce the chances of resistance - and in that way make it less dangerous to the suspect, the officers and the public...
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
I guess drones are next?

drones, sensors and night vision would give law enforcement a tactical advantage and probably save lives.. more lives then more firepower.

but to be honest... the appearance of how a guy is dressed doesn't bother nor intimidate me.. I would have the best gear possible if I had to do his job as well..

gun wise,.. an AR/M16 is about the best suited for police work where good aim and close quarters is required..

it isn't the equipment,.. it is the overzealous untrained ones that scare the hell out of me..

Besides much of the equipment being used to provide protection to the public- one of the reasons for having tactical units involved in more situations (especially the serving of warrants on and apprehensions of dangerous offenders) is to make the assertion of strength right off and in that way hoping to reduce the chances of resistance - and in that way make it less dangerous to the suspect, the officers and the public...
(CNN) -- Members of a northeast Georgia SWAT team are "devastated" after a drug raid in which a flash-bang grenade landed in a 1-year-old's playpen, seriously injuring the child, the Habersham County sheriff said Friday.

The police officers involved have been called baby killers and received threats following the incident, Sheriff Joey Terrell said.

"All I can say is pray for the baby, his family and for us," he told CNN.

The SWAT team, made up of six or seven officers from the sheriff's department and the Cornelia Police Department, entered the Cornelia residence Wednesday before 3 a.m.
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
I guess drones are next?

drones, sensors and night vision would give law enforcement a tactical advantage and probably save lives.. more lives then more firepower.

but to be honest... the appearance of how a guy is dressed doesn't bother nor intimidate me.. I would have the best gear possible if I had to do his job as well..

gun wise,.. an AR/M16 is about the best suited for police work where good aim and close quarters is required..

it isn't the equipment,.. it is the overzealous untrained ones that scare the hell out of me..

Besides much of the equipment being used to provide protection to the public- one of the reasons for having tactical units involved in more situations (especially the serving of warrants on and apprehensions of dangerous offenders) is to make the assertion of strength right off and in that way hoping to reduce the chances of resistance - and in that way make it less dangerous to the suspect, the officers and the public...

that show of force is fine IF!

1. the officers are trained.. experienced,...
2. the warrant is indeed warranted..
3. the officers used tech/military gear to give them an advantage and know whats on the other side of the door..

often when we see a foul up it is due to them barging in on the wrong folk.... and not realizing it is the wrong folk...

had they spent a few minutes setting up sensors and taking a peek inside,
they would know it was an old grampa or a couple of kids..

add in an over-zealous untrained officer that shoots a few unarmed people .. kids, grandpa's ect.. and you get outrage...

unless they are already shooting it out... you always have time to make a good plan work...

I am a strong law enforcement supporter. and a stronger advocate of firing government employees that are not suited for their job..

I want them to have the right gear... even if it seems over the top..

I would mandate that any department that gets the gear first gets trained and trained on de-escalating a situation..


BTW,.. de-escalating does not mean sit back and watch s--- happen..
 
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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
drones, sensors and night vision would give law enforcement a tactical advantage and probably save lives.. more lives then more firepower.

but to be honest... the appearance of how a guy is dressed doesn't bother nor intimidate me.. I would have the best gear possible if I had to do his job as well..

gun wise,.. an AR/M16 is about the best suited for police work where good aim and close quarters is required..

it isn't the equipment,.. it is the overzealous untrained ones that scare the hell out of me..



Besides much of the equipment being used to provide protection to the public- one of the reasons for having tactical units involved in more situations (especially the serving of warrants on and apprehensions of dangerous offenders) is to make the assertion of strength right off and in that way hoping to reduce the chances of resistance - and in that way make it less dangerous to the suspect, the officers and the public...
(CNN) -- Members of a northeast Georgia SWAT team are "devastated" after a drug raid in which a flash-bang grenade landed in a 1-year-old's playpen, seriously injuring the child, the Habersham County sheriff said Friday.

The police officers involved have been called baby killers and received threats following the incident, Sheriff Joey Terrell said.

"All I can say is pray for the baby, his family and for us," he told CNN.

The SWAT team, made up of six or seven officers from the sheriff's department and the Cornelia Police Department, entered the Cornelia residence Wednesday before 3 a.m.

Yep- that was a mistake- but not all law enforcement can be perfect and walk on water like the ranchersnet wannabes can ! :roll:

In defense of the law enforcement- the baby and her mother were not regular residents of the home (visiting that night) , so they had no expectation of any children being there...Both the Sheriff and officers said they had no idea of any children or would have done things differently...

On top of that they had made undercover meth purchases out of that house earlier in the day... What kind of mother takes her kid to stay in a meth house..

Officers definitely needed to have done more surveillance and background investigation-- but with the way this country is losing the "war on drugs" that is not always possible... One of the reasons I'd rather see many of the Billions $ spent fighting foreign wars and giving foreign aid used in this country to battle our own countries inner war...
 

Steve

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but not all law enforcement can be perfect and walk on water like the ranchersnet wannabes can !

this is a PERFECT example of why someone should use better surveillance tactics..

a line dropped in the window would have shown who was in the room..

as for the wannabe.. comment.. Why would an inexperienced person know better tactics and training then an experienced team of well trained police officers?

they had time to plan the raid,... but not enough to think?
 

Larrry

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Police Academy turns out next generation of jack booted thugs.
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Graduation season is upon us. Colleges, high schools and even police academies are marching their graduates across the stage in graduation ceremonies. For academy graduates this is their first step to becoming public oppressors.
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Commandant Eric Lassard addressed the graduating class of recruit school 14-01 yesterday at their commencement ceremony. His remarks will surly be remembered by all the newly minted police officers.

“Today you start the next chapter of your life. You are no longer recruits you are cops. From here on out your only friend is your gun, and only family are your fellow officers.

For the last few months we have taught you to arrest people, to defend your self in a fight and if need be shoot people. Do not let the training go to waste. I implore each and everyone one of you to make it your mission to arrest someone in your first day on the job.

We have equipped you with some of the best tools a police officer has ever carried. Someone give you lip, give them 50,000 reasons to shut up with a zap from the TASER. Some punk kid shoves his camera in your face telling you he is recording this contact. Marinate his face liquid heat out of your OC spray can.

A generation ago we put out a cops who were wimps. All they wanted to do was ride bike patrol and do community policing. This is the era of militarized police. Get out there and show them who the boss is. Talking to the community about feelings will not solve crimes. Cracking the heads of criminals with a PR-24 does.

All right enough with this jaw jacking. Get out on the street and kick some ass!”

http://www.callthecops.net/police-academy-turns-next-generation-jack-booted-thugs/
 

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