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The "ORIGINAL" U.S. Terrorist

Mike

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Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman :mad:
On July 5, 1864, Federal General Kenner Garrard's cavalry reached Roswell and finding it undefended, occupied the city. General Garrard reported to General William T. Sherman on July 6, 1864 that..."there were fine factories here, I had the building burnt, all were burnt. The cotton factory was working up to the time of its destruction, some 400 women being employed."

Former Associate Dean of Emory University, Webb Garrison writes of the destruction of the Roswell Mills. He says..."incidents of this sort occurred repeatedly throughout the Civil War. Had the usual attitudes prevailed, the destruction of the industrial complex would have ended the matter. That it did not was due to the temperament and inclination of the man (Sherman)."

What General Sherman did next would shock good people in the North and create a mystery that has endured to this day. On July 7, 1864 Sherman reported to his superiors in Washington..." I have ordered General Garrard to arrest for treason all owners and employees, foreign and native (of the Roswell Mills), and send them under guard to Marietta, whence I will send them North."

On July 7, 1864, Sherman wrote to General Garrard:..." I repeat my orders that you arrest all people, male and female, connected with these factories, no matter the clamor, and let them foot it, under guard, to Marietta, Then I will send them by cars to the North."

A northern newspaper correspondent reported on the deportation...." only think of it! Four hundred weeping and terrified Ellens, Susans and Maggies transported in springless and seatless army wagons, away from their loves and brothers of the sunny South, and all for the offense of weaving tent-cloth.

On July 10, 1864, General Thomas reported the arrival of four to five hundred mill hands, mostly women, in Marietta. Other documents indicate that an undetermined number of children accompanied their mothers. Webb Garrison writes of the women's arrival in Marietta:...." for the military record, that closed the case in which women and children were illegally deported after having been charged with treason." He further writes..."had the Roswell incident not been followed immediately by major military developments, it might have made a lasting impact upon opinion. In this century, few analysts have given it the emphasis it deserves."

In conclusion, Dr. Garrison writes...."The mystery of the Roswell women, whose ultimate fate remains unknown, is one of major importance in its own right. Even more significant is its foreshadowing of things to come."

The mystery of the Roswell women is made up of four to five hundred individual tragedies. Most of these stories are lost to history; however, two of the men involved in the proposed monument are either related to or descended from mill workers. Wayne Bagley of the Roswell Mills Camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans is related to Adeline Bagley Buice. Adeline was a pregnant seamstress working at the Roswell Mills while her husband was off to war. Deported north with the other women, she went all the way to Chicago. Left to fend for herself as best she could, it would be five years before Adeline and her daughter would return to Roswell on foot. Adeline's soldier husband returned to Roswell. In time, thinking her dead, he remarried. Adeline's grave, in Forsyth County, is maintained with a special marker by the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Wayne Shelly is a member of the General Nathan B. Forrest Camp 469 of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Rome, Georgia. His grandmother was a teenage mill worker and her mother and grandmother also worked at the Roswell Mills. All three were charged with treason and deported. The mother died on a train between Chattanooga and Nashville, Tennessee. The grandmother died on a steamship on the Ohio River, after being carried aboard in a rocking chair. Wayne's grandmother married a Confederate veteran in Louisville, Kentucky. The two tried to make a new life in Indiana; however, the deportation had ruined the health of the young mill worker and a doctor advised that she would not live through another Indiana winter. The couple then moved south to Cartersville, Georgia.

The War Between the States was, without question, Roswell's moment on the stage of world history. If Roswell has a history, it is surely in part the mill worker' story.
 

Mike

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Below is just one of the many atrocities Sherman’s Army committed. Early in July of 1864, General William Tecumseh Sherman’s army was pressing towards Atlanta. Although greatly outnumbered, the Southern Army was making the invader pay dearly for his conquest. As usual, when an invader has difficulty with the standing Army of the invaded, he will start to attack those whom he knows he can defeat with little trouble. True to form, General Sherman sent his army into the heartland of the South with the orders to “make Georgia howl”. The food supplies and factories of the South were the object of Sherman’s wrath. Sherman declared that there could be no peace in the country until large parts of the Southern population had been exterminated. He put his words into action. First, all the food that could be found was taken for the Yankee army. Then all means of food production were either taken or destroyed. Then he turned his attention to the destruction of factories that aided in the Southern War effort. It may be difficult for us to understand today what it means to have all the food in one’s home taken away and also have the means to replace the food stolen or destroyed. When they needed food, Southerners one hundred and thirty years ago did not run down to the supermarket or corner convenience store. They grew their own food. Some food could be bought, but in times of war when invading armies made normal commerce impossible, the family unit had to depend on it’s own resources. Therefore, by depriving people of the means of food production, the Yankee invader was condemning them to death by starvation. Who were these people upon whom Sherman had pronounced the death sentence? For the most part they were women, children, old men, and the sick and wounded who were unfit for military service. These innocent and defenseless victims were the ones upon whom the full measure of anger was poured. It seems strange that while Yankees wrapped the cloak of self righteousness around themselves and proclaimed themselves as the beacon of all that was right and good, they would stoop so low as to starve and destroy defenseless women, children, the sick, wounded, and dying! After the battle of Kennesaw Mountain, in which the invader was thoroughly punished for being in the wrong place, Sherman sent elements of his army around Atalanta and into the towns of Marietta, Roswell, and New Manchester. Several factories that were important to the Southern war effort were located in these areas and the Yankees moved in and began their work. Food and the means of food production were taken away, and homes were pulled down or burned. All personal property that could be consigned to the flames was destroyed. The only items that could be taken by the hapless Southerners were the clothes on their backs. Even jewelry, such as wedding bands, was pulled from the ladies’ hands by the noble defenders of the Union. If the saga of these poor people were to stop here, it would still rate as one of the lowest points in American history. But for these Southerners, their odyssey of horror had only begun. Sherman then ordered all those who worked in the factories to be gathered up and shipped out of the country. The invader evidently feared that by some miracle these people might not die of starvation, and by some enormous stroke of luck might rebuild their factories from the ashes. With little or no concern for homes, women and children were torn from their families and shipped north. The vast majority of these people were never to see their loved ones again. In all, more than two thousand women, children, and a few old men were collected. Families were divided. Children were separated from their mothers. Tearful mothers were forced to watch as children, who had worked in the factories, were dragged away from home – almost none of them would ever be heard from again. With no remorse than that shown by the Yankee slave trader (And, oh yes, the majority of slave traders were Yankees, but that is obviously another story for another time), the invaders went about their dirty work of kidnapping defenseless women and children. Even after the end of the war, the United States government never made any attempt to reunite these families! In the town of Roswell, over four hundred young women and children were kept in the open town square for nearly a week. Imagine the suffering of those who were cramped in that hot (remember this was July in Georgia!), dirty place. As if that weren’t bad enough, the whiskey stores found their way into the hands of the guards. From that time on, the young girls of Roswell lived a continual nightmare. All the factory workers of New Manchester were taken off in the same manner as the other towns. So complete was the destruction that the town became a martyr for the cause of Southern Independence. The following comment appeared in a Louisville, Kentucky, newspaper concerning the women and children whom Sherman had shipped north: “The train which arrived from Nashville last evening brought up from the South, 249 women and children, who are sent here by the orders of General Sherman to be transferred north of the Ohio River. These people are mostly in a destitute condition, having no means to provide for themselves a support.” These people were hired out to perform work at a price that was at no more than a subsistence level, making them virtually white slaves for the Yankees. More than 2,000 women and children were sent into the North in this manner. The papers in the area advertised them as if they were any other commodities for sale. And so the Yankee maintained their illicit trade in human flesh even as they were singing Glory, Glory, Hallelujah.
 

kolanuraven

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What's your purpose of posting this?


This story was part of Ga History class for us in 8th grade and then we also had State History as part of 12th grade gov't classes by the time I became a HS teacher.

Our teacher put up a pretty large pic of Sherman and let us throw darts at it!!!!

Do you have/had the equal of such for Alabama about 8th grade or so?
 

Mike

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What's your purpose of posting this?

Since we have relatively few southern posters/members here amongst us, there are probably several who do not understand the disdain and contempt that many southerners still feel for the "U.S. Government", as a whole.

With Zer0 referencing himself with Lincoln, and the atrocities brought on the South with his (Abe's) full knowledge and approval, can only maximize his (Zer0's) disapproval in much of the southern state's white population.

The "Winners" in history get to write it, as is shown in the above legacy.

Another secession may be in the making? Wrong is wrong, whomever commits it.

I learned a little of the "War of Northern Aggression" from the 6th grade up but didn't really learn the facts until college at Auburn.

Yes, I learned early that Sherman was a skunk, but it was later that Abe was shown to be complicit in terrorism and guilty of dismantling the Constitution at will.
 

kolanuraven

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It is true that Lincoln was not the Saviour many deem him to be.

In fact, regardless of the Civil War, the ol boy was quiet nutty!

Jefferson also is one who has gained glory as the ages have passed!!

I am surprised that 'Bama does not have more focus on that time period in the educational system.

Of course, GA saw more 'war' action than Bama but both states relied heavily on the plantation system of commerce.
 

don

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kind of like the middle east where the grudges go on for centuries. if you can involve religion i think you've got a surefire war here.
 

Mike

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I am surprised that 'Bama does not have more focus on that time period in the educational system.

The private schools teach a lot about that history, but the public schools are wrapped up in Democrats (Blacks) and can't. It would be discriminatory towards them. :roll:

We used to get out of school on R.E. Lee's B'Day...................
 

kolanuraven

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don said:
if you can involve religion



Ohhhhh...honey chil' !!!!


We're the Buckle on the Bible Belt down here.

You can't throw a rock in any direction hardly and NOT hit a church!!!!

Religion permeates EVERYTHING to varying degrees!!

It's weird!!
 

Mike

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kind of like the middle east where the grudges go on for centuries

Who is, and has been asking for slavery reparations here in the U.S.?

Would that not be considered a grudge? :roll:

Damned right I have a grudge, but mostly because history is purposefully turned against me and mine. :shock:
 

kolanuraven

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Mike said:
kind of like the middle east where the grudges go on for centuries

Who is, and has been asking for slavery reparations here in the U.S.?

Would that not be considered a grudge? :roll:

Damned right I have a grudge, but mostly because history is purposefully turned against me and mine. :shock:


This seems to be an issue that has come and gone.......or at least it doesn't seem to be making the news around here anymore
 

Mike

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kolanuraven said:
Mike said:
kind of like the middle east where the grudges go on for centuries

Who is, and has been asking for slavery reparations here in the U.S.?

Would that not be considered a grudge? :roll:

Damned right I have a grudge, but mostly because history is purposefully turned against me and mine. :shock:


This seems to be an issue that has come and gone.......or at least it doesn't seem to be making the news around here anymore

Conyers has a Commission studying the ramifications of reparations now.
Or at least he has a Bill proposed to appoint said Commission. Don't know if the Bill has passed yet. Which it will................
 

jigs

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I demand to be payed for the suffering of my immigrant fore fathers. the Irish were persecuted and shunned, the germans were hated in areas.... when is Zero gonna get me some cash??? I been tanning for weeks to get that "free money tint" to my skin....
 

TSR

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Yeah as I posted earlier, I'm sure some of my ancestors were serfs. Just when do I get my reparations from those European countries?? :lol: I just cannot ever see anything of the such happening here in the US, to my way of thinking it would be political suicide for most politicians.
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
don said:
if you can involve religion



Ohhhhh...honey chil' !!!!


We're the Buckle on the Bible Belt down here.

You can't throw a rock in any direction hardly and NOT hit a church!!!!

Religion permeates EVERYTHING to varying degrees!!

It's weird!!

Same around where I was raised in East Texas. A baptist church on every corner. Wasn't easy being a Catholic minority sitting in history class hearing my little Presbyterian teacher teach me a predjusticed view of all of it. Kola we did study Texas history in 8th grade. Course they taught us that 16 Texans held off 100,000 mexicans for 40 days and 40 nights at the Alamo....Killed about 90,000 of 'em. :wink:
 

Mike

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kolanuraven said:
I don't ever see any sort of reparations happening.

Maybe not. But if this guy has anything to say about it, it will happen:

http://conyers.house.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Home&Issue_id=06007167-19b9-b4b1-125c-df3de5ec97f8

He IS a Democrat, you know................ :roll:
 

kolanuraven

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Mike said:
kolanuraven said:
I don't ever see any sort of reparations happening.

Maybe not. But if this guy has anything to say about it, it will happen:

http://conyers.house.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Home&Issue_id=06007167-19b9-b4b1-125c-df3de5ec97f8

He IS a Democrat, you know................ :roll:



Democrat or not.....it won't happen.

Yeah, it's a hot button issue in 'certain' areas of the country, like where we live, but as a whole, the nation is not interested . Especially not now.

Not a viable topic
 

Steve

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Union General William Tecumseh Sherman tried to give some of this land to former slaves. In January 1865, he issued a war order promising them 40-acre homesteads. Later, he said the army might also loan each new landowner a mule with which to work the land, giving rise to a popular saying, "40 acres and a mule."

seems to me the "decedents" of Sherman should make good on their ancestors promise..

Why worry about 40 acres and a mule when they already have welfare, tax-payer funded mortgages and their very own JACKASS!

obamadonkey2.jpg
 

kolanuraven

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Steve said:
Union General William Tecumseh Sherman tried to give some of this land to former slaves. In January 1865, he issued a war order promising them 40-acre homesteads. Later, he said the army might also loan each new landowner a mule with which to work the land, giving rise to a popular saying, "40 acres and a mule."

seems to me the "decedents" of Sherman should make good on their ancestors promise..

Why worry about 40 acres and a mule when they already have welfare, tax-payer funded mortgages and their very own JACKASS!

obamadonkey2.jpg


See this proves you're a Yank....as NO ONE claims 'kin' to Sherman...I mean NO ONE, be they black or white!!
 

Richard Doolittle

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jigs said:
I demand to be payed for the suffering of my immigrant fore fathers. the Irish were persecuted and shunned, the germans were hated in areas.... when is Zero gonna get me some cash??? I been tanning for weeks to get that "free money tint" to my skin....

You might have some luck if you can convince them you are a transracial.
 
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