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The other Florida stand your ground case

Steve

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well not really but the liberals want it to be..

in fact it is about as clear as it can get that it was a case of her following the Biden defense,.. and not stand your ground..

(boy that idiot sure has caused alot of problems for those not smart enough to ignore his illegal advice)

No, Marissa Alexander’s Conviction Was Not a “Reverse Trayvon Martin” Case in Florida

In the wake of George Zimmerman’s acquittal on second-degree murder and manslaughter charges, many media outlets have focused their attention on Marissa Alexander, an African-American woman in Florida who unsuccessfully asserted a so-called “Stand Your Ground” defense in 2011 and is now serving a prison sentence of 20 years on multiple accounts of aggravated assault with a firearm.

An argument then ensued between Gray and Alexander, and Gray initially prevented Alexander from leaving the bathroom during the altercation. Alexander eventually managed to get around Gray to exit the bathroom.

Alexander’s actions following that moment are what differentiate her case from that of George Zimmerman.

After Alexander exited the bathroom and re-entered the master bedroom, Gray left the bedroom and headed to the living room where his sons were located. At that point, Alexander left the master bedroom, passing Gray, his two children, and the unobstructed front and back doors of the house on her way to the garage. Once in the garage, she retrieved a handgun from her vehicle’s glove box and then went back into the kitchen, where she “pointed it in the direction of all three [v]ictims.” Although Gray put his hands in the air, Alexander fired the gun, “nearly missing [Gray's] head” and sending a bullet “through the kitchen wall and into the ceiling in the living room.”

Gray and his sons fled the home and immediately called 911. Alexander stayed in the home and never called 911.

Alexander’s defenders also point to Gray’s eventual deposition as proof of Alexander’s claim of self defense. In that deposition, Gray said he had all but threatened to kill Alexander, that he knew she could not leave the home through the garage because it was broken, and that she never pointed the gun at him or his children.

Gray later admitted to lying in his deposition to protect Alexander.

“At the hearing [on Alexander's motion for a retrial], [Gray] denied threatening to kill his wife, adding, ‘I begged and pleaded for my life when she had the gun.’”

Alexander’s claim that she fired only a warning shot, as opposed to firing at Gray and merely missing, also rings somewhat hollow. Her claim that she fired a warning shot, instead of a shot at center mass to stop the aggressor’s attack, suggests that she did not believe that deadly force was actually necessary.
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida

ok,.. a bit murky.. he verbally threatened her,.. then relented, she left.. got gun and warned the bastard.. sounds fair.. he deserved it.. heck considering she went back to him.. it sounds like they deserve each other..

but if you read the entire article you can see why she was denied the stand your ground defense..

but why 20 years

FLORIDA’S HARSH MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCING REQUIREMENTS

State prosecutors initially offered Alexander a plea deal of three years in prison. She rejected the deal. Upon conviction, she was sentenced to a mandatory minimum of 20 years in prison. Under Florida law, often referred to as “10-20-Life” for its tiered minimum sentencing requirements, any person convicted of aggravated assault combined with the discharge of a deadly weapon “shall be sentenced to a minimum term of imprisonment of 20 years.”

In Alexander’s case, she might have received a lesser sentence under Florida law if she had killed Gray and been convicted of manslaughter rather than shooting at him and missing.

“That means if Alexander had actually killed her husband or one of his sons and been found guilty of manslaughter, she could have instead gotten as little as time served,” the Florida paper noted.

I am in favor of strong laws.. and feel that min sentences work in reining in liberal justices who want to be lenient despite the severity of the crime...

but often absolutes do not work.. as this case shows..
 

Tam

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Did you here about the guy in Washington that is using Biden as a defence in his case. He heard somebody outside his house so he went out with his shot gun and fired off a couple warning shots just like Biden announced to the world he told his wife Jill to do if she was under the same conditions. And turns out it is illegal to fire your weapon without just cause and hearing somebody out in your yard is not just cause according to the Washington Police.

So much for BIDEN"S ADVISE to women who are scare the guy might be up to no good. :roll:

Come to think of it what would have happen to Trayvon and George if the lady that called 911 after hearing the yelling outside her home would have taken Biden's Advise and pulled out she double barrel shotgun and opened that back door and fired off a couple?

This is the problem with that idiot thinking he knows best. and to think Obama hand picked that idiot to be his second in command. Says a lot for Obama's judgement doesn't it? :roll:
 

Mike

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http://thegrio.com/2012/05/15/angela-corey-lashes-out-at-critics-of-marissa-alexander-prosecution/#s:angela-corey-4x3-jpg
 

Steve

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after reading the Angela Corey rant,... it looks as if her bias in the Zimmerman case was even more political.. as she makes the same argument the defense made concerning Martin..


The fiery prosecutor, known for her fierce victim’s advocacy, takes issue with the protests and the outrage on Alexander’s behalf, saying the Jacksonville woman was the aggressor, not the victim, in the August 2010 incident.

“Because she was not fleeing from an abuser,”

They had a verbal argument [in which] he said ‘I’m outta here,’ and she said, ‘I’ve got something for you.’”

“I just don’t understand where just the one-sided story has come out,” Corey said, lashing out at both the media coverage, and the loud cries of unfairness on the radio and Internet.

so in reality Martin had left the scene and then returned as the aggressor.. according to Corey's enlargement..

and now the media one sided story is bad?
 

Steve

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if it wasn't so hypocritical it would be funny...

Angela Corey lashes out at critics

And we can’t have a full blown trial … and then when [Alexander] didn’t get what she wanted form a jury, her family gets to go to the press, which inflames the entire country, because they only hear her side of the story. It’s fundamentally wrong for that to happen.”

Corey's press conferences after the Zimmerman trial did the same.. she didn't get what she wanted from the jury after a full blown trial, so she told one side of the sorry and inflamed the entire country..
 

Tam

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BLACK ON BLACK verses WHITE :roll: ON BLACK in the Zimmerman case, big difference and you will never see Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jaskson or the rest of the race baiters talking about this case. Just like we will never know the names of all those killed in Chicago because their deaths do not play into the narrative that the US is racist.

As far as this Prosecutor she needs to be dis-barred for what she did and her comments about this second cases proves she is a total Hypocrite and needs to be investigated to the full extent of the law but don't hold your breathe. :roll:
 

Tam

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All we have heard about the Zimmerman case was Trayvon was an innocent 17 year old child that was just trying to get home when he was shot and that if Zimmerman had not got out of his car Trayvon would be alive.

Since the Liberal Left Race baiters love playing the WHAT IF card Here is some for them
What if Trayvon had actually did like they all claim he was trying to do GO HOME? IF SO Would he still be alive? YES

Since we all know there is 4 minutes in the timeframe and Trayvon could have used about 30 seconds of that 4 minutes to get home but didn't one has to wonder WHY? If he had would he be alive? YES

Since the evidence proves Trayvon turned around and was the one that hit Zimmerman as proven by the State's witness saying she believed Trayvon punch Zimmerman first. Why did he punch him and if he had not punched him would he still be alive? YES

Here is a WHAT IF for the Prosecutor if George had not had a concealed weapon and could not protect his life, and Trayvon's next hit of George's head on the sidewalk was hard enough to cause serious head trauma would she had prosecuted Trayvon for Assault? Black Child assaulting an unarmed Hispanic man would she go after Trayvon with the same zealous she went after George?

If so then how can anyone INCLUDING HER believe Trayvon was innocent in what happen since Trayvon was sitting on George assaulting him because he dared to LEGALLY GET OUT OF HIS CAR IN HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD? :roll:

If the Prosecutor had charged Trayvon with Assault against Zimmerman would she had charge him as an ADULT? No need to guess tha,t as a 15 and a 17 year old are right now being charged as adults so there is no reason to believe 17 year old Trayvon would not have also been charged as an Adult. SO WHAT IS WITH REFERRING TO TRAYVON AS AN INNOCENT CHILD JUST TRYING TO GET HOME?

There is not one shred of evidence to prove any of the Prosecutor's, Sharpton's or even the family's claims and all the evidence proves Trayvon was the aggressor. Zimmerman did not break any laws by getting out of his car to check out a young unknown man acting strangely in the neighborhood he agreed to protect BUT Trayvon did break a law when he punched George. SO why can't they just admit the evidence that was presented by a very zealous Prosecutor proved the exact opposite to what they want to believe. I understand the Family wanting to believe their son did not have a hand in his own death but the evidence is what it is and the rest of the idiots are not doing the family any favors by keeping the wound open and inciting riots which will likely result in more families love ones being hand an azz whooping that they don't deserve JUST LIKE GEORGE DIDN"T DESERVE THE ONE TRAYVON TRIED TO GIVE HIM.

Sharpton and the rest of these protest organizers need to be held accountable for any violence that is a result of their need to keep the races at each others necks. As long as they are alive the US will never heal as they don't want them to. :mad:
 

Steve

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WHAT IF for the Prosecutor if George had not had a concealed weapon and could not protect his life, and Trayvon's next hit of George's head on the sidewalk was hard enough to cause serious head trauma would she had prosecuted Trayvon for Assault?


my guess considering her over zealous nature..

Martin would have been tried as an adult
the charges would have been at least aggravated assault and battery,
and attempted Murder/manslaughter..

if he had intent/malice before he confronted George it would be attempted murder,.. if not manslaughter.
attempted manslaughter is not actually a crime as it often does not have intent to do harm leading to it. but she tends to overcharge, so I would expect to see it listed on the charges.

all his text and other criminal history would have been relevant

she would have prevailed and he would be doing hard time..
probably dieing in prison..



this is not to be condescending,.. I am just trying to help correct a misconception on Legal definition that persists,..
(just a legal note.. assault is the intent with the ability... battery is the attack.. )
Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

so as soon as Martin confronted George with the intent and George was in apprehensive.. ,... Martin committed assault..
when he struck George it was assault and battery..
actually if any harm was done it would then often be considered Aggravated assault which is a felony
when Martin continued to strike him it was aggravated assault and aggravated battery. (both are separate charges and both are felonies. )


so basically when George shot Martin.. Martin was committing two felonies...

sorry about the lecture.. Steve
 

Tam

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Steve said:
WHAT IF for the Prosecutor if George had not had a concealed weapon and could not protect his life, and Trayvon's next hit of George's head on the sidewalk was hard enough to cause serious head trauma would she had prosecuted Trayvon for Assault?


my guess considering her over zealous nature..

Martin would have been tried as an adult
the charges would have been at least aggravated assault and battery,
and attempted Murder/manslaughter..

if he had intent/malice before he confronted George it would be attempted murder,.. if not manslaughter.
attempted manslaughter is not actually a crime as it often does not have intent to do harm leading to it. but she tends to overcharge, so I would expect to see it listed on the charges.

all his text and other criminal history would have been relevant

she would have prevailed and he would be doing hard time..
probably dieing in prison..



this is not to be condescending,.. I am just trying to help correct a misconception on Legal definition that persists,..
(just a legal note.. assault is the intent with the ability... battery is the attack.. )
Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

so as soon as Martin confronted George with the intent and George was in apprehensive.. ,... Martin committed assault..
when he struck George it was assault and battery..
actually if any harm was done it would then often be considered Aggravated assault which is a felony
when Martin continued to strike him it was aggravated assault and aggravated battery. (both are separate charges and both are felonies. )


so basically when George shot Martin.. Martin was committing two felonies...

sorry about the lecture.. Steve

So what you are saying is Trayvon was not an INNOCENT YOUNG CHILD but a GUITLY YOUNG ADULT when Zimmerman took it upon himself to protect himself from the young MAN sitting on his chest and beating him, which he only did AFTER he yelled for help and nobody responded by coming to his assistance? :eek: :shock: :? :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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Ok...I'm gonna jump in here as I am sooooooooo sick of hearing about this trial.


I personally think, for what it's worth, that what happened was the clash of two fools.

Zimmerman thinking he was SuperCop and the Martin kid thinking that here was his chance to prove he was a MMA fighter/rough dude.

No doubt, Martin was urged into it by that Rachel Jantel ( sp?) over the phone.

2 fools met in the dark and shite, aka Karma, happened.


I don't think ' race' was a factor nor profiling.....destiny happened.
 

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
Ok...I'm gonna jump in here as I am sooooooooo sick of hearing about this trial.


I personally think, for what it's worth, that what happened was the clash of two fools.

Zimmerman thinking he was SuperCop and the Martin kid thinking that here was his chance to prove he was a MMA fighter/rough dude.

No doubt, Martin was urged into it by that Rachel Jantel ( sp?) over the phone.

2 fools met in the dark and shite, aka Karma, happened.


I don't think ' race' was a factor nor profiling.....destiny happened.

I agree with your analysis. The mix-up was between a black man and a Hispanic man. Caucasians (whites) had nothing to do with it, but they are the ones getting the blame. Destiny happened, and the pathetic news media saw a crisis to run with, to further their liberal racist gun-grabbing agenda.
 

Tam

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kolanuraven said:
Ok...I'm gonna jump in here as I am sooooooooo sick of hearing about this trial.


I personally think, for what it's worth, that what happened was the clash of two fools.

Zimmerman thinking he was SuperCop and the Martin kid thinking that here was his chance to prove he was a MMA fighter/rough dude.

No doubt, Martin was urged into it by that Rachel Jantel ( sp?) over the phone.

2 fools met in the dark and shite, aka Karma, happened.


I don't think ' race' was a factor nor profiling.....destiny happened.

I think we all wished this trial would have been over last week when the jury found George NOT GUILTY. But nope there is still some political value to this story as in it is a distraction from the scandals surrounding Obama and Holder so they are going to make sure in stays in the media by investigating it for civil criminal charges even after the FBI's investigation found not RACIAL BIAS, the Prosecutor said there was no racial element, the Martin family said there was no racial element, the defense said there was no racial element and the Jury found no guilt on George's behalf.

As long as it can be used to distract the media from covering the IRS investigation that just brought to light the fact that Obama's appointees to the IRS in Washington were behind the IRS targeting it will be kept in the media's eye by Holder's bogus investigation in Civil Rights Violations.

As long as it can distract the media from demanding to know why Benghazi survivors were made sign agreements that they would not tell the true about Benghazi, it will be kept in the eye of the media by the Holder Bogus Investigation.

As long as it can distract the media from reporting the NSA scandal and the DOJ illegally seizing Reporters emails and phone records, it will be kept in the eye of the media by Holder's bogus Investigation.

As long as the leftwingnut Race Baiters like SHarpton and Jackson can use it to push their gun control agenda it will be kept in the media by Holder's bogus investigation.

So of you are sick of hearing about this trial do us all a favor and tell your liberal wingnut Obama base to face the facts that Trayvon had a hand in what happen that night and if anyone was being racist it was Trayvon with his, testified to, comment about the Creepy Azz White Cracka, that he turned around went back, jumped out of the dark and laid a case of Whup azz on because the poor guy dare to check out a stranger in the neighborhood of which he was the watchman of. :roll:

Let us all get back to reading about all those scandals the Obama Administration is trying to sweep under the rug with comments like

WHAT DOES IT MATTER NOW, (what does it matter that Hillary and Obama were lying about what happen, we are to just believe and let the subject drop)

IT WAS A LINE PERSON IN CINNINATI THAT WAS DOING THE TARGETING, AND IT WAS A BUSH APPOINTEE THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF THE IRS SO DON'T BLAME US. (a Bush appointee that is a Democrat Obama supporter that visited the White House over 150 times while any other Head of the IRS had visited the White House under 5 times as they are to be independent of each other.)

WE WERE NOT GOING TO PRESS CHARGES ON THE REPORTER WE JUST HAD TO TELL THE JUDGE WE WERE SO WE COULD SEIZE HIS RECORDS SO WE COULD SEE WHO HE WAS TALKING TO THAT WAS TELLING HIM ALL THE ADMINISTRATIONS DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS. (Damn that Constitution that provides for a free press who is responsible for reporting the dirt of a corrupt Administration)

BUT WE NEED TO COLLECT EVERY US CITIZENS EMAILS AND CELL PHONE RECORDS AS WE NEED THEM TO CATCH THAT ONE TERRORIST WANTING TO ATTACK US. (But they could not detect the Boston Bombers when two foreign countries warned them about them as they were too busy snooping on law abiding US citizens and lying to a judge to get a secret court order to seize reporters records.)

The Administration is stomping on everyone's Constitutional Freedoms and as long as they can keep the Zimmerman case in the face of the media with their RACE BAITING Civil Rights Investigation to distract their attention the happier Obama and Holder will be. :mad:
 
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