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The Pope needs some gonads to stand up and face the facts

CattleArmy

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Pope: Church will protect young from abuse
Pontiff meets with victims following Mass to tens of thousands in Malta



VALLETTA, Malta - Pope Benedict XVI met with a group of clerical abuse victims on Sunday and promised them the church would do everything in its power to bring justice to victims and protect young people in the future.

The Vatican said Benedict expressed his shame and sorrow at the pain the men and their families suffered and prayed with them during the meeting at the Vatican's embassy in Malta.

It was the first time Benedict had met with abuse victims since the worldwide clerical abuse scandal engulfed the Vatican earlier this year.


"He prayed with them and assured them that the Church is doing, and will continue to do, all in its power to investigate allegations, to bring to justice those responsible for abuse and to implement effective measures designed to safeguard young people in the future," a Vatican statement said.

Benedict, on a trip to Malta overshadowed by the global crisis, also heard the island's leading bishop say on Sunday that the Catholic Church has to be humble enough to recognize its failures.

The pope, who turned 83 on Friday, met with the group after a celebrating a mass for tens of thousands of people in a dockside area built in the 17th century over underground grain silos.

He made no reference to the sexual abuse crisis before the meeting, telling priests only to "fulfill the mission you have received."

'Failures and sins in its members'
But Paul Cremona, the Archbishop of Malta, spoke directly about the abuse crisis which is sapping the church's credibility in Malta and beyond.

In his address to the pope at the start of the mass, Cremona spoke of the need for "a church humble enough to recognize the failures and sins in its members."

Cremona, with the pope listening on the same platform, also spoke of the need for "a Church which does not seek privileges."

It was the second time in as many days that someone addressing the pope mentioned the sexual-abuse crisis.

The overnight trip is the pope's first foreign travels since the full force of the scandals have rocked the church became apparent and threatened to engulf his papacy.

At his arrival on Saturday, Maltese President George Abela said priests sometimes "unfortunately go astray" and it was "the church and even the state's duty to work hand in hand" to prevent abuse and punish offenders "so that justice will not only be done but seen to be done."

Speaking to reporters aboard the plane taking him to Malta on Saturday, he said Roman Catholicism has been "wounded by our sins" but did not use the word "abuse".

Pope's connection to scandal
Hundreds of cases of sexual and physical abuse of youths in recent decades by priests have come to light in Europe and the United States as disclosures encourage long-silent victims to finally go public with their complaints.

Benedict has been accused by victims groups of being part of systematic practice of cover-up by church hierarchy for pedophile priests, in his earlier roles as an archbishop in Germany and later at the helm of the Vatican morals office.

In his sermon at the open-air mass, the pope also called on the overwhelmingly Catholic nation, where abortion and divorce are illegal, not to succumb to the secular influences.

"Not everything that today's world proposes is worthy of acceptance by the people of Malta," he said.
 

CattleArmy

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In my opinion if they can prove the Pope was involved in the cover up he should be un Poped (which from what I have read is almost impossible to do). If I was Catholic it would be unacceptable to me that the highest religious leader walking this earth among man was involved in covering up the sexual abuse of children.

Cremona at least has the gonads to face the allegations head on.
Good for him!

A good friend of mine is Catholic and said as a member she looks more and more at the Church as a business. They show members financial statements and give more give more. Perhaps those children violated by this church will finally break the business.

Just My Opinions

The church let people down. They were trusting the church with their most innocent and the church leaders took advantage of the innocent, the parents faith in their church, and left a lot of adults with memories and wounds that aren't healing and might never.
 

Steve

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If I was Catholic

seems to say it all.

I am not Catholic either.. and other then the criminal aspect of the issue, it should be left to them to clean up the mess..


they (the Catholics') need to deal with it and clean up there own house...
 

CattleArmy

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Steve said:
If I was Catholic

seems to say it all.

I am not Catholic either.. and other then the criminal aspect of the issue, it should be left to them to clean up the mess..


they (the Catholics') need to deal with it and clean up there own house...

The Catholic church place priests in our communities. Are you comfortable with all the abuse allegations having one placed in your community? I mean they seem to feel free to cover up their molesters and just move them on. Who knows when one of the molesting priests might end up near any of us?
 

hypocritexposer

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CattleArmy said:
Steve said:
If I was Catholic

seems to say it all.

I am not Catholic either.. and other then the criminal aspect of the issue, it should be left to them to clean up the mess..


they (the Catholics') need to deal with it and clean up there own house...

The Catholic church place priests in our communities. Are you comfortable with all the abuse allegations having one placed in your community? I mean they seem to feel free to cover up their molesters and just move them on. Who knows when one of the molesting priests might end up near any of us?

Your Justice system places just as many perverts into your communities. And the Government covers up the perverts that are in Congress and the Senate.

Attack the individual cases and not the institution.
 

CattleArmy

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hypocritexposer said:
CattleArmy said:
Steve said:
seems to say it all.

I am not Catholic either.. and other then the criminal aspect of the issue, it should be left to them to clean up the mess..


they (the Catholics') need to deal with it and clean up there own house...

The Catholic church place priests in our communities. Are you comfortable with all the abuse allegations having one placed in your community? I mean they seem to feel free to cover up their molesters and just move them on. Who knows when one of the molesting priests might end up near any of us?

Your Justice system places just as many perverts into your communities. And the Government covers up the perverts that are in Congress and the Senate.

Attack the individual cases and not the institution.

If the Pope was involved in cover ups of child molestation he needs to be tried and he needs to be un Poped, de Poped, or however you get rid of a sorry SOB that thought it was better to cover up a child molesting monster then to turn it in.

Is that what you wanted?
 

hypocritexposer

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Anybody that covers up a crime should be tried in a court of law.

"He prayed with them and assured them that the Church is doing, and will continue to do, all in its power to investigate allegations, to bring to justice those responsible for abuse and to implement effective measures designed to safeguard young people in the future," a Vatican statement said.


Seems you have already determined who is guilty and who is not.


Do you feel the same way about a guy like Kevin Jennings and his boss? Should Kevin's boss be "de-poped" or un-poped"?
 

CattleArmy

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hypocritexposer said:
Anybody that covers up a crime should be tried in a court of law.

"He prayed with them and assured them that the Church is doing, and will continue to do, all in its power to investigate allegations, to bring to justice those responsible for abuse and to implement effective measures designed to safeguard young people in the future," a Vatican statement said.


Seems you have already determined who is guilty and who is not.


Do you feel the same way about a guy like Kevin Jennings and his boss? Should Kevin's boss be "de-poped" or un-poped"?

I said if .................
 

hypocritexposer

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CattleArmy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Anybody that covers up a crime should be tried in a court of law.

"He prayed with them and assured them that the Church is doing, and will continue to do, all in its power to investigate allegations, to bring to justice those responsible for abuse and to implement effective measures designed to safeguard young people in the future," a Vatican statement said.


Seems you have already determined who is guilty and who is not.


Do you feel the same way about a guy like Kevin Jennings and his boss? Should Kevin's boss be "de-poped" or un-poped"?

I said if .................

so you think the Pope and Kevin Jennings' boss should be investigated, to see if they covered up crimes?
 

CattleArmy

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hypocritexposer said:
CattleArmy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Anybody that covers up a crime should be tried in a court of law.




Seems you have already determined who is guilty and who is not.


Do you feel the same way about a guy like Kevin Jennings and his boss? Should Kevin's boss be "de-poped" or un-poped"?

I said if .................

so you think the Pope and Kevin Jennings' boss should be investigated, to see if they covered up crimes?

I've just mentioned the Pope that should be investigated.
 

CattleArmy

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Did I bring up Kevin Jennings? No. You did.

I'm speaking of the Pope and the Catholic church and all the poor kids that are now adults that some Man of God Priest molested that the church and Pope possibly helped cover up.

Makes me wanna puke.
 
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CattleArmy said:
hypocritexposer said:
CattleArmy said:
The Catholic church place priests in our communities. Are you comfortable with all the abuse allegations having one placed in your community? I mean they seem to feel free to cover up their molesters and just move them on. Who knows when one of the molesting priests might end up near any of us?

Your Justice system places just as many perverts into your communities. And the Government covers up the perverts that are in Congress and the Senate.

Attack the individual cases and not the institution.

If the Pope was involved in cover ups of child molestation he needs to be tried and he needs to be un Poped, de Poped, or however you get rid of a sorry SOB that thought it was better to cover up a child molesting monster then to turn it in.

Is that what you wanted?

un Poped, de Poped,

Love it-- and I so totally agree-- but noone within the sect will speak out against the Pope....
Kind of like all these Evangelical and Pentacosta Bible Thumpers/televangelists that are sucking in Millions $ with their radical crusades- but then get caught in some big sex scandal-or fraud- and have been known in parts of the south as the only introduction of fresh blood they ever see :wink: :lol: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Oldtimer said:
CattleArmy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Your Justice system places just as many perverts into your communities. And the Government covers up the perverts that are in Congress and the Senate.

Attack the individual cases and not the institution.

If the Pope was involved in cover ups of child molestation he needs to be tried and he needs to be un Poped, de Poped, or however you get rid of a sorry SOB that thought it was better to cover up a child molesting monster then to turn it in.

Is that what you wanted?

un Poped, de Poped,

Love it-- and I so totally agree-- but noone within the sect will speak out against the Pope....
Kind of like all these Evangelical and Pentacosta Bible Thumpers/televangelists that are sucking in Millions $ with their radical.7mcrusades- but then get caught in some big sex scandal-or fraud- and have been known in parts of the south as the only introduction of fresh blood they ever see :wink: :lol: :lol:
. YOU POPUS SOB Whio are you to call the kettle black when it comes to speaking out about anything wrong. YOU AND YOUR BAND OF CHIPMUNKS CANNOT AND WILL NOT ATTACK.A NYTHING YOUR HOLY potus phonie and his cronies DO IN DESTROYING AMERICA AND ITS GREATNESS. You are a. Slob of the highest order you egg suckin biscuit eater.
 
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Anonymous

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Angusgord said:
Steve said:
If I was Catholic

seems to say it all.

I am not Catholic either.. and other then the criminal aspect of the issue, it should be left to them to clean up the mess..


they (the Catholics') need to deal with it and clean up there own house...
Your right Stevie Wonder ,the Catholics should clean up their own mess because they've been doing such a good job of it. :roll: Sexual abuse is a criminal offense last time I loooked!!
NONO without those abusive catholics the reprobate lifestyle you adorE would still be decades away. Just think like this they helped open the closet door for you. One must assume you have a love hate relation with them abusers right? :lol: :lol:
 

Martin Jr.

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There are several points that should be made here:
first, a person who is to make judments on how to punish these priests should not be speaking publicly about any of the cases.
These are mostly old charges that have been brought up and have already been taken care of.

The main persons accusing the pope is Richard Dawkins, (and his ilk) a radical athiest, who's only goal in life is to destroy Christianity.

Far more abuse is going on in public schools and is ignored than in the Catholic Church.
 

TSR

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Martin Jr. said:
There are several points that should be made here:
first, a person who is to make judments on how to punish these priests should not be speaking publicly about any of the cases.
These are mostly old charges that have been brought up and have already been taken care of.

The main persons accusing the pope is Richard Dawkins, (and his ilk) a radical athiest, who's only goal in life is to destroy Christianity.

Far more abuse is going on in public schools and is ignored than in the Catholic Church.

I'm not so sure I agree if you look at the percentages. Public schools have a far greater number of kids than those kids that are affiliated with the Catholic church. And of course, many Catholic kids go to public schools. I might add that teachers that don't report any suspected abuse are subject to prosecution here in TN.
 

aplusmnt

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I am not sure I know what should be done, but I do agree something should be done about the Catholic Church and their problem with Priest and molestation. It has happened way to many times and the Priest has been moved or not punished.

I am not sure what Government can do besides prosecute the individual. But I would be for whatever could be done. Maybe they could take away their Tax Exemptions if they do not clean up things.

Outside the church people who molest should be executed. There is no way to reabilitate a molester. If a man gets sexual excited when he sees a young boy there is no way to condition him not to get a hard on in the future. So the Death Penalty is the only way to solve the problem.
 

Steve

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Angusgord said:
Steve said:
If I was Catholic

seems to say it all.

I am not Catholic either.. and other then the criminal aspect of the issue, it should be left to them to clean up the mess..


they (the Catholics') need to deal with it and clean up there own house...
Your right Stevie Wonder ,the Catholics should clean up their own mess because they've been doing such a good job of it. :roll: Sexual abuse is a criminal offense last time I looked!!

Angus bored, (tex/econ) ... reading comprehension courses are offered at most community colleges..
 

Steve

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Angusgord said:
Martin Jr. said:
There are several points that should be made here:
first, a person who is to make judments on how to punish these priests should not be speaking publicly about any of the cases.
These are mostly old charges that have been brought up and have already been taken care of.

The main persons accusing the pope is Richard Dawkins, (and his ilk) a radical athiest, who's only goal in life is to destroy Christianity.

Far more abuse is going on in public schools and is ignored than in the Catholic Church.
Do you really have any true knowledge on the amount of young people abused by priest's in the Catholic church? I'm sure you don't or you would never have thought this made a piece of sense writing it. Children were abused ,many young boy's by men , it's been a huge cover-up by the Catholic church. The church is going on the name of God ,unlike a public school ,no comparison. I was raised in the Catholic Church and left as soon as my mom couldn't tell me what I had to report in the confession booth. Old case's?? Most not dealt with that is why there is such an uproar now

so your way of dealing with your church and mother was to leave.. how did that solve the issue?


the laws concerning abuse were changed to help deal with the issue in many states with the statute of limitations extended, the only way to "deal with it" is in court and for those who were abused to seek justice and counseling...

maybe you should seek counseling as well,..
 
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