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The Presidential Oath

TexasBred

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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can Obama (if elected) take this oath in good conscience knowing his true feelings about the inadequacies of the Constitution??
 
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Anonymous

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TexasBred said:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can Obama (if elected) take this oath in good conscience knowing his true feelings about the inadequacies of the Constitution??

Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can Obama (if elected) take this oath in good conscience knowing his true feelings about the inadequacies of the Constitution??

Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

Show me where he violated it OT...don't just repeat heresay BS.
 
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Anonymous

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can Obama (if elected) take this oath in good conscience knowing his true feelings about the inadequacies of the Constitution??

Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

Show me where he violated it OT...don't just repeat heresay BS.

I have posted 100 posts on his violations of rule of law and the Constitution...If you don't remember- ain't my fault....
 

TSR

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Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can Obama (if elected) take this oath in good conscience knowing his true feelings about the inadequacies of the Constitution??

Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.
 

RobertMac

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TSR said:
Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can Obama (if elected) take this oath in good conscience knowing his true feelings about the inadequacies of the Constitution??

Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.
Agree, but Congress is also guilty of the same.
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

Show me where he violated it OT...don't just repeat heresay BS.

I have posted 100 posts on his violations of rule of law and the Constitution...If you don't remember- ain't my fault....

I would think that if you thought enough about the President honoring the Constitution to post 100 times, you wouldn't be so nonchalant on Obama's obvious disdain for it. It's almost like you're judging with two different standards.......
 

backhoeboogie

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RobertMac said:
TSR said:
Oldtimer said:
Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.
Agree, but Congress is also guilty of the same.

Immigration laws come to mind TSR? It wouldn't happen to do with a certain someone who cannot produce a birth cert would it? Can we get him deported? :D :D :D
 

aplusmnt

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
Show me where he violated it OT...don't just repeat heresay BS.

I have posted 100 posts on his violations of rule of law and the Constitution...If you don't remember- ain't my fault....

I would think that if you thought enough about the President honoring the Constitution to post 100 times, you wouldn't be so nonchalant on Obama's obvious disdain for it. It's almost like you're judging with two different standards.......

CB I mean OT, is just stirring the pot. I would bet he will even be voting for McCain when the time comes. He likes playing they Devil Advocate he gets his Jollies that way!
 

TSR

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backhoeboogie said:
RobertMac said:
TSR said:
I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.
Agree, but Congress is also guilty of the same.

Immigration laws come to mind TSR? It wouldn't happen to do with a certain someone who cannot produce a birth cert would it? Can we get him deported? :D :D :D

No I was referring to the estimated 12-15 million who have yet to follow the law.
 

TSR

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RobertMac said:
TSR said:
Oldtimer said:
Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.
Agree, but Congress is also guilty of the same.

Yes they are. As I watch tv I wonder if the federal gov't will be stopping states from following their own laws concerning illegals. I am big on states' rights, I hate to see them infringed upon.
 

Mike

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TSR said:
Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can Obama (if elected) take this oath in good conscience knowing his true feelings about the inadequacies of the Constitution??

Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.

"ICE" has raided more packing plants and other institutions than under any other Admin. and illegal immigration didn't start yesterday.

In fact these raidings have cost the Repubs a lot of Mexican, etc. voters, carrying out these laws didn't come cheap.

Just yesterday:
October 27, 2008

99 illegal aliens arrested, 41 with criminal histories, in Pennsylvania and Delaware
ICE Fugitive Operations Teams arrest 384 illegal aliens in multi-state operation

PHILADELPHIA - U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced today that its fugitive operations teams based in Philadelphia detention and removal office arrested 37 fugitives, which included 14 with criminal records, during a targeted operation which started on October 14th and ended on October 26th. During the operation an additional 62 immigration violators were arrested, 27 with criminal histories. All of the arrests occurred in Pennsylvania and Delaware.

"This was a concerted effort by our offices and local law enforcement officials to target, arrest and remove the most dangerous illegal aliens who entered our country and act with blatant disregard for our laws," said Thomas Decker, field office director for ICE Office of Detention and Removal in Philadelphia. "We are a law enforcement agency charged with protecting our community from criminal aliens and the integrity of the nation's legal immigration system."

All together, fugitive operations teams based in Philadelphia, New York City, and Newark, NJ arrested a total of 384 illegal aliens during the 13-day-long operation that commenced on October 14. In New Jersey, of the 145 fugitives arrested, 65 with criminal records. During that operation, an additional 44 immigration violators were arrested, 22 of whom had criminal histories. In New York City, ICE officers apprehended 90 fugitives were arrested, including 46 with criminal histories. Six other immigration violators were arrested, all with criminal histories.

An immigration fugitive is an alien who has failed to depart the United States after receiving a final order of removal from an independent immigration judge, or who has failed to report to a Detention and Removal Officer after receiving notice to do so. People who have illegally re-entered the U.S. after deportation are subject to criminal prosecution or immediate removal from the U.S. The non-fugitive immigration violators arrested during this operation have been charged with immigration violations, placed in removal proceedings and will appear before an independent immigration judge from the Department of Justice.

Their crimes include: Homicide, Robbery, Aggravated Assault with a Weapon, Parole Violations, Possession with Intent to Manufacture or Deliver a Controlled Substance, Knowingly Possessing a Controlled Substance, and DUI. Following are examples of fugitive aliens arrested by the Philadelphia Fugitive Operations Teams during this operation:

A Mexican citizen was arrested in Dover, Del. He was convicted of Murder in the First Degree in Maryland in 2006. This case was presented to the US Attorney's Office, District of Delaware, for the alleged offense of 8 USC 1325, illegal entry.
A Dominican fugitive and former Legal Permanent Resident was arrested in Philadelphia. He was previously deported on September 15, 2004 due to his criminal convictions and he illegally re-entered the United States again. He has convictions for Importation of Heroin and False Statements on a US passport application. He was arrested at his place of employment and the case was accepted by the US Attorney, Eastern District of Pennsylvania for violation of Title 8 USC 1326 Re-Entry after Deportation.
A Nigerian fugitive was arrested in Philadelphia. He had convictions for Aggravated Assault, Simple Assault and Retail Theft as well as Driving with a suspended license, Disorderly Conduct.
A Dominican fugitive was arrested in Philadelphia. He has arrests for Driving under the Influence, Possession with Intent to Manufacture or Deliver a Controlled Substance, and Knowingly Possessing a Controlled Substance.
A woman from the Cayman Islands was arrested in Hellertown Pa. She has multiple convictions for Tampering with or Fabricating Physical Evidence, Robbery, Aggravated Assault with a Weapon, Parole Violation, and Criminal Attempt at Fraud. She will be detained pending a hearing before the immigration judge.
A Belarus fugitive was arrested in Philadelphia. He had 3 arrests for Driving Under the Influence as well as an arrest for Retail Theft.
ICE Detention and Removal Operations, received support from ICE Office of Investigations.

During the federal government's fiscal year 2008, which ended Sept. 30, Fugitive Operations Teams arrested 1,157 illegal aliens in the three-state area covered by the Philadelphia ICE office. Of this total, 849 were fugitive aliens and 257 had criminal convictions in addition to their administrative immigration violations.

ICE established its Fugitive Operations Program in 2003 to eliminate the nation's backlog of immigration fugitives and ensure that deportation orders handed down by immigration judges are enforced. Today ICE has more than 100 Fugitive Operations Teams deployed nationwide to pursue these absconders. In fiscal year 2008, those teams accounted for more than 34,000 arrests, which is more than double the total from just two years ago. As a result of these efforts, the nation's fugitive alien population continues to decline. Estimates now place the number of fugitive alien cases at slightly under 560,000, a decrease of nearly 37,000 within the last year. This is a historic reversal of the previous growth trend in fugitive cases.

ICE's Fugitive Operations Program is an integral part of the comprehensive multi-year plan launched by the Department of Homeland Security to secure America's borders and reduce illegal migration. That strategy seeks to gain operational control of both the northern and southern borders, while re-engineering the detention and removal system to ensure that illegal aliens are removed from the country quickly and efficiently.


-- ICE --

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was established in March 2003 as the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE is comprised of five integrated divisions that form a 21st century law enforcement agency with broad responsibilities for a number of key homeland security priorities.
 

TSR

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Mike said:
TSR said:
Oldtimer said:
Bush did- then forgot he took it... :(

I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.

"ICE" has raided more packing plants and other institutions than under any other Admin. and illegal immigration didn't start yesterday.

In fact these raidings have cost the Repubs a lot of Mexican, etc. voters, carrying out these laws didn't come cheap.

Mike I could be wrong but I believe a lot of the ICE raids were carried out at the requests of state officials-states' rights something I believe in.
 

Mike

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TSR said:
Mike said:
TSR said:
I believe he did. :shock: I mean one of the main jobs of the executive branch is to see that the laws that are passed are carried out. Although Bush is not the only President that is guilty imo he still is guilty. Immigration laws come to mind.

"ICE" has raided more packing plants and other institutions than under any other Admin. and illegal immigration didn't start yesterday.

In fact these raidings have cost the Repubs a lot of Mexican, etc. voters, carrying out these laws didn't come cheap.

Mike I could be wrong but I believe a lot of the ICE raids were carried out at the requests of state officials-states' rights something I believe in.

TSR, don't fall into the "Stupidity" trap like OT has. It may very well be that some local enities have requested ICE raids, but "Immigration and Customs Enforcement" is a Federal Agency that is under the direction of the Pres.

He could call them off if he so desired, I'm sure of it....................
 

TSR

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Mike said:
TSR said:
Mike said:
"ICE" has raided more packing plants and other institutions than under any other Admin. and illegal immigration didn't start yesterday.

In fact these raidings have cost the Repubs a lot of Mexican, etc. voters, carrying out these laws didn't come cheap.

Mike I could be wrong but I believe a lot of the ICE raids were carried out at the requests of state officials-states' rights something I believe in.

TSR, don't fall into the "Stupidity" trap like OT has. It may very well be that some local enities have requested ICE raids, but "Immigration and Customs Enforcement" is a Federal Agency that is under the direction of the Pres.

He could call them off if he so desired, I'm sure of it....................

Well Mike with the border between us and Mexico as it is and two border patrol agents who shot a known drug smuggler still in jail, I just don't have the confidence in our President that you have when it comes to illegals. I heard him myself address a TV audience telling them they (the illegals) were just doing jobs Americans won't (which may be the truth) but still no excuse for illegal entry imo. His predecessors also have a share in the blame as well as Congress.
 

RobertMac

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I think when Pres. Bush finally listened to the people on illegals, the raids started. Hopefully McCain heard us too. Think about this...with 12-15 million illegals in country most working jobs, we still had record low unemployment...essentially FULL EMPLOYMENT!!!! How can anybody believe the stupid Democrat propaganda that we have had a bad economy under Bush...except the gullible, cut/paste happy OT!!!
 
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