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The real Clinton emerges

Cal

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http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/092606.html

The real Clinton emerges

Dick Morris

From behind the benign façade and the tranquilizing smile, the real Bill Clinton emerged Sunday during Chris Wallace’s interview on Fox News Channel. There he was on live television, the man those who have worked for him have come to know – the angry, sarcastic, snarling, self-righteous, bombastic bully, roused to a fever pitch. The truer the accusation, the greater the feigned indignation. Clinton jabbed his finger in Wallace’s face, poking his knee, and invading the commentator’s space.

But beyond noting the ex-president’s non-presidential style, it is important to answer his distortions and misrepresentations. His self-justifications constitute a mangling of the truth which only someone who once quibbled about what the “definition of ‘is’ is” could perform.

Clinton told Wallace, “There is not a living soul in the world who thought that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with Black Hawk Down.” Nobody said there was. The point of citing Somalia in the run up to 9-11 is that bin Laden told Fortune Magazine in a 1999 interview that the precipitous American pullout after Black Hawk Down convinced him that Americans would not stand up to armed resistance.

Clinton said conservatives “were all trying to get me to withdraw from Somalia in 1993 the next day” after the attack which killed American soldiers. But the real question was whether Clinton would honor the military’s request to be allowed to stay and avenge the attack, a request he denied. The debate was not between immediate withdrawal and a six-month delay. (Then-first lady, now-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) favored the first option, by the way). The fight was over whether to attack or pull out eventually without any major offensive operations.

The president told Wallace, “I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill bin Laden.” But actually, the 9-11 Commission was clear that the plan to kidnap Osama was derailed by Sandy Berger and George Tenet because Clinton had not yet made a finding authorizing his assassination. They were fearful that Osama would die in the kidnapping and the U.S. would be blamed for using assassination as an instrument of policy.

Clinton claims “the CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible [for the Cole bombing] while I was there.” But he could replace or direct his employees as he felt. His helplessness was, as usual, self-imposed.

Why didn’t the CIA and FBI realize the extent of bin Laden’s involvement in terrorism? Because Clinton never took the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center sufficiently seriously. He never visited the site and his only public comment was to caution against “over-reaction.” In his pre-9/11 memoirs, George Stephanopoulos confirms that he and others on the staff saw it as a “failed bombing” and noted that it was far from topic A at the White House. Rather than the full-court press that the first terror attack on American soil deserved, Clinton let the investigation be handled by the FBI on location in New York without making it the national emergency it actually was.

In my frequent phone and personal conversations with both Clintons in 1993, there was never a mention, not one, of the World Trade Center attack. It was never a subject of presidential focus.

Failure to grasp the import of the 1993 attack led to a delay in fingering bin Laden and understanding his danger. This, in turn, led to our failure to seize him when Sudan evicted him and also to our failure to carry through with the plot to kidnap him. And, it was responsible for the failure to “certify” him as the culprit until very late in the Clinton administration.

The former president says, “I worked hard to try to kill him.” If so, why did he notify Pakistan of our cruise-missile strike in time for them to warn Osama and allow him to escape? Why did he refuse to allow us to fire cruise missiles to kill bin Laden when we had the best chance, by far, in 1999? The answer to the first question — incompetence; to the second — he was paralyzed by fear of civilian casualties and by accusations that he was wagging the dog. The 9/11 Commission report also attributes the 1999 failure to the fear that we would be labeled trigger-happy having just bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade by mistake.

President Clinton assumes that criticism of his failure to kill bin Laden is a “nice little conservative hit job on me.” But he has it backwards. It is not because people are right-wingers that they criticize him over the failure to prevent 9/11. It was his failure to catch bin Laden that drove them to the right wing.

The ex-president is fully justified in laying eight months of the blame for the failure to kill or catch bin Laden at the doorstep of George W. Bush. But he should candidly acknowledge that eight years of blame fall on him.

One also has to wonder when the volcanic rage beneath the surface of this would-be statesman will cool. When will the chip on his shoulder finally disappear? When will he feel sufficiently secure in his own legacy and his own skin not to boil over repeatedly in private and occasionally even in public?
 

jigs

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if only he were to emerge into the cross hairs of my scope......and I sure hope I have an either/or tag.....incase the little woman is with him
 

Faster horses

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He has gotten away with so much, he felt he could get away with telling lies on national television.

I really feel clinton thinks the American public is stupid, and he's
proven it more than once.

All the stuff he has done, and there are some who still back him.
I just don't get it.
 

katrina

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I would guess that he is surrounded with yes men and people who tell him what he wants to hear. And doesn't realize times have changed... I guess he is really full of himself to have the audacity to leave his zipper open for interns...... That should give us a clue on his mentality.....
 

passin thru

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Very Good, but we must be careful to agree to much about things. We do not want to have some lib come on here and scold us(AKA their attempt to silence us) :lol:
 

Hanta Yo

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Good old narcissistic rage.

Narcissism

narcissism
One entry found for narcissism.


Main Entry: nar·cis·sism
Pronunciation: 'när-s&-"si-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: German Narzissismus, from Narziss Narcissus, from Latin Narcissus
1 : EGOISM, EGOCENTRISM
2 : love of or sexual desire for one's own body
- nar·cis·sist /'när-s&-sist/ noun or adjective
- nar·cis·sis·tic /"när-s&-'sis-tik/ adjective

Mental disorder characterized by extreme self-absorption, an exaggerated sense of self-importance, and a need for attention and admiration from others.

First identified by Havelock Ellis in 1898, the disorder is named for the mythological Narcissus, who fell in love with his own reflection. In addition to an inflated self-image and addiction to fantasy, narcissism is characterized by an unusual coolness and composure, which is shaken only when the narcissistic confidence is threatened, and by the tendency to take others for granted or to exploit them. According to Sigmund Freud, narcissism is a normal stage in children's development, but it is considered a disorder when it occurs after puberty.




egoism
One entry found for egoism.


Main Entry: ego·ism
Pronunciation: 'E-g&-"wi-z&m, -gO-"i- also 'e-
Function: noun
1 a : a doctrine that individual self-interest is the actual motive of all conscious action b : a doctrine that individual self-interest is the valid end of all actions
2 : excessive concern for oneself with or without exaggerated feelings of self-importance -- compare EGOTISM 2

egocentric
One entry found for egocentric.


Main Entry: ego·cen·tric
Pronunciation: "E-gO-'sen-trik also "e-
Function: adjective
1 : concerned with the individual rather than society
2 : taking the ego as the starting point in philosophy
3 a : limited in outlook or concern to one's own activities or needs b : SELF-CENTERED, SELFISH
- egocentric noun
- ego·cen·tri·cal·ly /-tri-k(&-)lE/ adverb
- ego·cen·tric·i·ty /-"sen-'tri-s&-tE/ noun
- ego·cen·trism /-'sen-"tri-z&m/ noun



I REST MY CASE
 

kolanuraven

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Mental disorder characterized by extreme self-absorption, an exaggerated sense of self-importance, and a need for attention and admiration from others.

Oh ,you mean struttin' around on the deck of carrier wearing a flight suit....when you can't FLY ( cause you didin't show up for class!!)...waving a big Mission Accomplished banner.

Yeah...that's pretty stuck on yourself alright!!
 

kolanuraven

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I didn't make that up.....what I stated is a FACT!!! Besides who are YOU to tag me with " hate" when the venom you spew is outrageous.

I've not stated that I would assinate at past President as you have stated here many times. I'd be careful about poppin' my jaws cause the the Men in Black may knock on your door. You have no idea who reads these posts!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: After all...you think it's GREAT that your privacy can be invaded and telephone tapped, hence computer also.

So you say FACTS= Hatred....interesting observation!


If I had my choice...I'd take Bill Clinton ANY DAY over "Howdy Doody"!!!!
 

passin thru

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George W. Bush volunteered for extra service time to be trained as a jet pilot, no walk in the park itself, and voluntarily requested the release of 450 pages of his own personal military records, and they have been misrepresented and propagandized to attack him.
Bush’s service to our nation as a supersonic F-102 Delta Dagger jet pilot, a dangerous task in itself. The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and their jets, the F-102, was air defense. The “Palace Alert Program” was ongoing when Bush joined the TANG and extended his service commitment to be trained as a pilot. The Palace Alert program had F-102 Delta Dagger pilots like Bush rotating to Vietnam and that 15 F-102 pilots were killed there, and that he volunteered to go there, but they changed the unit’s mission right after Bush started training. Bush sought and received permission to work on 2 campaigns after several years of service, and could not have been AWOL and still receive an honorable discharge.
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.
Air National Guard COL. William Campenni served as a pilot with President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard “If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.” “Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. If one chooses to check further they will find neither Bush or his bunch had anything to do with the MA sign.
Some Facts...........................
however if some choose to ignore them they either

1 Have a severe problem of hatred for Bush
2 Missed their LA (liberals Anonymous) meeting
3 Put their thong on backwards
4 Mad because their left wing liberals abandoned them
5 Mad because they can't help Bill (CHOKE CHOKE) :wink:
6 Need to take their sunglasses of in order to see












"Five years after 9/11, the worst attack on the American homeland in our history, Democrats offer nothing but criticism and obstruction and endless second-guessing." GWB
 

kolanuraven

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Ohhhh....must've touched a nerve there did I???

Don't be so pious to chunk rocks about me and my dislike of George II....when you guys have equal if not greater dislike for Clinton!!!

In response to #3....don't need for thongs...we're in the south...gals here like a breeze!! 8) 8) :wink:

#5 Tacky........ but with whims of envy around the edges!!
 

memanpa

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kolanuraven said:
I didn't make that up.....what I stated is a FACT!!!


If I had my choice...I'd take Bill Clinton ANY DAY over "Howdy Doody"!!!!

which fact are you refering too?
what is your response to the post by PT regarding GW's flight record?

not sure i care about your post regarding girls in the south likeing a breeze, have a grandaughter and a daughter both living in the south, perhaps YOU like a BREEZE but do not catagorize all southern girls as having no modesty and behaving like you!!~!
 

kolanuraven

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Well....if I ' made' 'your day there PT ( kinda sounds like you're tickled about something)....glad to be of service!!! :lol: :lol: :wink: :!:
 

Hanta Yo

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kolanuraven said:
Mental disorder characterized by extreme self-absorption, an exaggerated sense of self-importance, and a need for attention and admiration from others.

Oh ,you mean struttin' around on the deck of carrier wearing a flight suit....when you can't FLY ( cause you didin't show up for class!!)...waving a big Mission Accomplished banner.

Yeah...that's pretty stuck on yourself alright!!



FYI, and I know you and everyone else knows, my post was intended to portray Clinton, not to be used against George W. I think it was just about time to put Clinton on the hot seat and make him answer a question or two that has been going through alot of minds since he finished his term. Dems have been doing that to George W since he took office and have flat out gotten really nasty. It'll get even worse.
 

kolanuraven

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I'm bettin ol PT has worn a thong or 2 in his day.....just won't admit it!!!


It's beeeeeeautiful here today.......slight wind and all. Hmmmmm.....could be a day for a thong!!! :lol: :lol:











:wink:

Ok..I'm done for the day...I gotta get out here and see what's happening on this place!!!

Tah Tah
 

Faster horses

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Good post, PT.

I don't know why the libs keep bringing something up that is so easily dispelled by the truth.

Guess they have told themselves lies long enough
that they are actually starting to believe them. Before, it was
potitics, now it's getting plumb scary, when they believe the lies
they've been mouthing.
 
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