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THE REAL WAR

quickdraw

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The writer of this narrative is Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired.



This is the most cogent and powerful essay on the threat of Islamic terrorism I have seen. Dr. Vernon Chong is, without a doubt, the most articulate and convincing writer I have read regarding the War in Iraq . If you have any doubts, please open your mind to his essay and give it a fair evaluation. It's also eerily applicable to other current issues, such as Iran 's nuclear program, immigration, NAFTA's impact on American jobs, trade deficits, etc. I had no idea who Dr. Chong is, or the source of these thoughts, so when I received them, I almost deleted them, as well-written as they are. But then I did a Google search on the Doctor and found him to be a retired Air Force surgeon and past commander of Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio ."



If you would like to see who this fine man is, go to this Air Force web site and look him up:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000"


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Muslim terrorists and the U.S.A. :

A different spin on the war in Iraq: This WAR is REAL



Dr.. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired



To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).



The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means.



First, let's examine a few basics:



1 When did the threat to us start?



Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer, as far as the United States is concerned, is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut , Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie , Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;

* Pentagon 2001.



(Note: during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide.)



2 Why were we attacked?



Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats, as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessor, President Ford.



3 Who were the attackers?



In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.



4 What is the Muslim population of the World?



25%.



5 Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?



Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including
7,000 Polish priests).



(see http://www.Nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm



Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom hear of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy in killing anyone who got in the way of his extermination of the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian, or any others.



Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US , but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, British, French or anyone else. The point here is that, just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements
-- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was to remain silent or be killed?



6 So who are we at war with?



There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.



So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1 Can we lose this war?



2 What does losing really mean?



If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:



We can definitely lose this war and, as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?



It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home, and going on about our business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

What losing really means is:



We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but, rather, will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over the past 18 years. The plan was, clearly, for terrorists to attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them.



We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see; we are impotent and cannot help them..



They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq . Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.



The next will probably be France . Our one hope with France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished, too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France . France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast.



Without our support, Great Britain will go, also. Recently, I read that there are more mosques in England than churches.



If we lose the war, our production, income, exports, and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if they were threatened by the Muslims? If we can't stop the Muslim terrorists, how could anyone else?


The radical Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We'd better know it, too, and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.



Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.



So, how can we lose the war?



Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose and failing to dig in and lend full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win.



Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation:



President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights to which we have become accustomed. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.



And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory ... and, in fact, added many more since that time.



Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?



No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.



Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose.



I think some actually do. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends and it does great damage to our cause.



Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues, and otherwise murdering their own just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.



And, just a few years ago, these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type of enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq . And, still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally of the beheading of American prisoners they held.



Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.



Can they be for real?



The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in, and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.



To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again, I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us for many years.



These people are a serious and dangerous liability to the war effort. We must take note of who they are and get them out of office. Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels. That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United States , but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.



We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful, and smart that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that, with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world. We can't!



If we don't recognize this, our nation, as we know it, will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.



And, finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.



This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self- inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.



If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach, little by little, on the established French traditions.



The French will be fighting among themselves over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?



Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.



And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.



Muslims have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who the few will be controlling the masses.



What is happening in Iraq is a good example. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct about the "peaceful Muslims?"



I close on a hopeful note by repeating what I said before: If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now, after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about. Do whatever you can to preserve it. I reiterate: our national election is under way.



After reading the above, we all must do this, not only for ourselves, but for our children, our grandchildren, our country, and our world. Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal ... and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world.



Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those who find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!



Lastly, I wish to add: at the risk of offending, I sincerely think that anyone who rejects this as just another political rant, or doubts the seriousness of this issue, or just deletes it without sending it on, is part of the problem. Let's quit laughing at and forwarding the jokes and cartoons which denigrate and ridicule our leaders in this war against terror. They are trying to protect the interests and well being of the US and it's citizens. Best we support them.



GOD BLESS AMERICA













 

hopalong

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i notice the bash bush group and the bring them home now choose not to respond to anything that upsets their agenda to give america away, fail to respond !
but then who expects less from the liberals who blame Bush and this admisteration for this whole problem.
GOodpasture!! Kolouraven, Oldtimer fff( who is less than creditable) and the rest of the waaaay waaaaay ners response is lacking! but then who expected anything else when confronted with facts by someone who is smarter and more informed than they are.



GO GO GO liberals give our country away!!

BOOOOO HOOOOOOO :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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hopalong said:
i notice the bash bush group and the bring them home now choose not to respond to anything that upsets their agenda to give america away, fail to respond !
but then who expects less from the liberals who blame Bush and this admisteration for this whole problem.
GOodpasture!! Kolouraven, Oldtimer fff( who is less than creditable) and the rest of the waaaay waaaaay ners response is lacking! but then who expected anything else when confronted with facts by someone who is smarter and more informed than they are.



GO GO GO liberals give our country away!!

BOOOOO HOOOOOOO :roll: :roll: :roll:

And I just posted an article from Col Hunt that says Iraq is not a success- but instead is chaos ( which I heard today is now costing our kids and grandkids over $12 Billion a month since GW is in the "charge it" mode :roll: )...I find it hard to believe a retired Air Force Surgeon over someone that has actually played the game and still has contact with real "participating" players.....

I doubt that a Maj General in the Air Force, that is a surgeon, got within 1000 miles of a "war zone" (which his own website shows) let alone have contact with actual warriors in their daily activities....

Colonel David Hunt has over 29 years of military experience including extensive operational experience in Special Operations, Counter Terrorism and Intelligence Operations.

Most recently, Colonel Hunt served as Tactical Advisor in Bosnia where he facilitated all national intelligence matters for the Commander in Chief. Prior to this, he served as counter terrorism coordinator to the Summer Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea. In this capacity, Colonel Hunt planned, choreographed and implemented the first United States national response for an Olympic event in Korea in conjunction with Korean National Intelligence and the Korean Crisis Response Agency.

He has served as a security advisor for the Federal Bureau of Investigation as well as state and local police officials.

A graduate of Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, Colonel Hunt holds a Master's degree in English from Norwich University.


Now what exactly does the military success of the surge not mean? The successful surge does not mean "Iraq" is over, or a win, or a democracy. It does mean that Iran (you remember part of the “Axis of Evil”) and Iraq are partners. The Iranian president was just in Iraq, to sign an economic deal worth a billion dollars. China, yes China, is getting a similar deal. Now, I have said this before, but it is worth repeating we did not lose almost 4,000 soldiers and thousands more injured, so that IRAN can sign economic deals with IRAQ!

The surge does not even mean that the borders of Iraq are secure. Why would I say this, you ask? Oh, I don’t know, maybe because TURKEY HAS INVADED IRAQ.

The Turks, have gone after the PKK, a Terrorist/Insurgency Group. Now, let’s get this part straight – have our “friends” the Turks have invaded a country we are occupying? Yes, yes and yes. What do you suppose we are doing about this? The president of the United States virtually said, “Well they (the Turks) better get it done fast and get out of there.” Yes, sir, sounds like a plan to me. This is not success in Iraq … this is chaos.

It should matter that Americans are still dying in Iraq — but it doesn't appear to affect many of us. It should matter that we are still only faced with two choices, politically: stay the course, vote for McCain; get out now vote for Obama or Clinton. How about we vote for fighting smarter, better and harder.

So now to the title of this article. What happens after the surge. The one institution that is working in Iraq is the Iraqi military; it is getting better.

Once we get our act together politically and figure out what to do in Iraq, it will be up to the Iraqi military to act as the lynch pin, the back stop to whichever Iraqi government shows up. Iraq will look like Thailand or Pakistan or Indonesia, a government really being run by the military, corruption everywhere. Oh, and Iran will have enormous clout. This is clearly not the “democracy” we have been talking about, but it is the best we can “hope” for, and given the way we have acted or not acted in Iraq, it is probably the only working solution available.
 

hopalong

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no one is claiming he was and or saw actual combat!!
Go back oltime and READ the article as i did!!!
he was not bashing bush, clinton aor anyone else he was only stating the to cut and run like all you libbies want to do ius tantamont to disaster!
go ahead and blame bush but until you can despute without impunity that he is wrong about he threat then do not even bother trying to convince the rest of the world that the MUSLEM terriosts are confined to only the Arab countries.
Get your head out of the sand Oldtimer, wake up and smell the roses.
GO back an really try to understand what he is saying!
And i do believe he has a much better grip on the overall situtation than you and your cuttiing and pasting do!
Hell i can even cut and paste! :D :D :D
I can even find articles on the internet to support that the rain in montana comes from the ground up. dosent make it true though :roll: :roll:
i can also find and cut and paste anyting that i want to that will support anything that i want it to!!!
including your hero BILL and HITLERY are transgendered!!!
 

Goodpasture

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quickdraw said:
The writer of this narrative is Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired.
He may be a fine surgeon, a good hospital administrator, a credit to the Air Force, and tithes regularly.

But every one of those attacks that he lists was done while we had occupation forces in the middle east.....the area Muslims consider theirs and that non-Muslims should stay out of. That we support Israel is adding gas to the fire.

There is a relatively simple solution to the whole issue. Remove our troops from the middle east aqnd let them fight it out between themselves. If they export violence then shock and awe the hell out of what ever country provides them refuge or shelter or support. Do NOT send troops in......we can do this from air bases in Germany or from carrier groups in the Indian Ocean, the Gulf, and the Red Sea. The people in charge of those countries like American dollars. to keep them coming in, they will crack down on such jihadists. Saddam was the only guy in power over there that kept a lid on the religious nuts, and his way of dealing with them was cruel but effective. If a terrorist or assassin came from a village, the entire village was destroyed with all the people killed. King Saul lost power because he did not kill everyone (including the cattle and sheep and women and kids). This is a 4,000 year way of life there. Is it rough on the farmers and businessmen? Yep......but we don't bury our kids that way, they bury theirs.....makes it their choice.

The money we spend there could be spent on alternate fuels, developing new technologies that could make us less dependent on middle east oil. When they run out of oil, they can pound sand for all I care. All we have to do is provide assistance to Israel and level any government that exports criminal action. Compared to our current expenditure in both men and money, it would be cheap.

your surgeon tells a fraction of the story..............
 
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hopalong said:
no one is claiming he was and or saw actual combat!!
Go back oltime and READ the article as i did!!!
he was not bashing bush, clinton aor anyone else he was only stating the to cut and run like all you libbies want to do ius tantamont to disaster!
go ahead and blame bush but until you can despute without impunity that he is wrong about he threat then do not even bother trying to convince the rest of the world that the MUSLEM terriosts are confined to only the Arab countries.
Get your head out of the sand Oldtimer, wake up and smell the roses.
GO back an really try to understand what he is saying!
And i do believe he has a much better grip on the overall situtation than you and your cuttiing and pasting do!
Hell i can even cut and paste! :D :D :D
I can even find articles on the internet to support that the rain in montana comes from the ground up. dosent make it true though :roll: :roll:
i can also find and cut and paste anyting that i want to that will support anything that i want it to!!!
including your hero BILL and HITLERY are transgendered!!!

BILL and HITLERY are far from being my heroes :lol: :lol:

And GW will convince me that his reason for warmongering in Iraq is that there is a true danger to the US folks- when he closes the border to access from any terrorist or person that wants to walk/drive/swim across- and actually pursues all the 20+ million illegal invaders that are in our country that could be plotting God only knows what right at this time...

If this danger exists (which I actually know it does) - why don't we have troops on our borders :???:
 

hopalong

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tell me if you can where this man points fingers at WHO is to blame!!!!!!
i read the article as information that WE as American citizens need to be aware of!
yet you and your esteemed do liberals chose to once again confuse fact with your blind dislike of a person to blame him for things that have been building thru several adminstrations.
GO BACK AND READ
and both parties are to blame
 
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hopalong said:
tell me if you can where this man points fingers at WHO is to blame!!!!!!
i read the article as information that WE as American citizens need to be aware of!
yet you and your esteemed do liberals chose to once again confuse fact with your blind dislike of a person to blame him for things that have been building thru several adminstrations.
GO BACK AND READ
and both parties are to blame

You don't need to tell me the danger of the radical Muslims- as I was sitting in FBI/CIA briefings about them and Osama bin Laden long before you probably ever heard of them :roll:

And I agree both parties are too blame-- but GW has had the leadership for the past 7+ years including 6 of those years where his party was the majority in Congress too- and he still has done little to nothing on border and port security.... :(
 

Richard Doolittle

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Oldtimer said:
hopalong said:
tell me if you can where this man points fingers at WHO is to blame!!!!!!
i read the article as information that WE as American citizens need to be aware of!
yet you and your esteemed do liberals chose to once again confuse fact with your blind dislike of a person to blame him for things that have been building thru several adminstrations.
GO BACK AND READ
and both parties are to blame

You don't need to tell me the danger of the radical Muslims- as I was sitting in FBI/CIA briefings about them and Osama bin Laden long before you probably ever heard of them :roll:

And I agree both parties are too blame-- but GW has had the leadership for the past 7+ years including 6 of those years where his party was the majority in Congress too- and he still has done little to nothing on border and port security.... :(

And how many unprovoked terrorist attacks have there been on American soil in those 7+ years?
 

hopalong

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Richard Doolittle said:
Oldtimer said:
hopalong said:
tell me if you can where this man points fingers at WHO is to blame!!!!!!
i read the article as information that WE as American citizens need to be aware of!
yet you and your esteemed do liberals chose to once again confuse fact with your blind dislike of a person to blame him for things that have been building thru several adminstrations.
GO BACK AND READ
and both parties are to blame

You don't need to tell me the danger of the radical Muslims- as I was sitting in FBI/CIA briefings about them and Osama bin Laden long before you probably ever heard of them :roll:

And I agree both parties are too blame-- but GW has had the leadership for the past 7+ years including 6 of those years where his party was the majority in Congress too- and he still has done little to nothing on border and port security.... :(

And how many unprovoked terrorist attacks have there been on American soil in those 7+ years?

Dont expect a response to that question! It doesn't fall into the bash Bush campagn that a couple of these informed sources :roll: :roll: claim to be
 

Mike

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Thanks for the article.

Radical Muslims create a true to test of peace. There is no telling how much the 911 incident has cost the U.S. thus far in security issues and has lowered our GDP exponentially.

Security issues that are necessary and that both sides of the aisle agree on.

There are two ways to address terrorism. We can either be passive or active. I choose to be active.
 

Goodpasture

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Richard Doolittle said:
Oldtimer said:
hopalong said:
tell me if you can where this man points fingers at WHO is to blame!!!!!!
i read the article as information that WE as American citizens need to be aware of!
yet you and your esteemed do liberals chose to once again confuse fact with your blind dislike of a person to blame him for things that have been building thru several adminstrations.
GO BACK AND READ
and both parties are to blame

You don't need to tell me the danger of the radical Muslims- as I was sitting in FBI/CIA briefings about them and Osama bin Laden long before you probably ever heard of them :roll:

And I agree both parties are too blame-- but GW has had the leadership for the past 7+ years including 6 of those years where his party was the majority in Congress too- and he still has done little to nothing on border and port security.... :(

And how many unprovoked terrorist attacks have there been on American soil in those 7+ years?
they don't need to send people here so they can kill Americans. We send our kids there so they can shoot us from the comfort of their homes.
 

Mike

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they don't need to send people here so they can kill Americans. We send our kids there so they can shoot us from the comfort of their homes.

Radical Muslims NEEDED for some reason to send people over here to bring the twin towers down, even after the first attempt.

Does anyone actually believe thay won't attempt another? :roll:
 

hopalong

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I beleive that they are less apt to succeed as long as we are over THERE.
As you can see Goodpasture didn't bother to really read the article, much less try to understand it.
They don't want to kill solders they want to kill civlians and as many as they can at one time!!!!
 

Goodpasture

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hopalong said:
I beleive that they are less apt to succeed as long as we are over THERE.
They will continue to attack so long as we are over there. If we had foreign troops occupying our neighborhoods that knew nothing about our people, that knew nothing about our faith, and that violated our customs and morality on a daily basis, I would be doing everything I could to make them leave. They are doing the same thing.

hopalong said:
They don't want to kill solders they want to kill civlians and as many as they can at one time!!!!
They want us GONE from their soil. And if you want to continue casualties into the future, keep toops there. Sooner or later they will attack here (it isn't as though the border is secure) just to show us that we can be hit in our homes and market place just like we are doing to them.
 

Texan

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Goodpasture said:
They will continue to attack so long as we are over there. If we had foreign troops occupying our neighborhoods that knew nothing about our people, that knew nothing about our faith, and that violated our customs and morality on a daily basis, I would be doing everything I could to make them leave. They are doing the same thing.

They want us GONE from their soil. And if you want to continue casualties into the future, keep toops there. Sooner or later they will attack here (it isn't as though the border is secure) just to show us that we can be hit in our homes and market place just like we are doing to them.

Spoken like a true terrorist sympathizer, Goodpasture. :???:
 

Goodpasture

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You should read Sun Tzu's Art of War before you make ignorant comments. It might also help if you bothered to read Principles of War, by Carl von Clausewitz. If the neocon administration had bothered to do their homework they would have understood the prospects of insurgency and what it would mean to our effort to stabilize the middle east. So long as their attitude is similar to yours, we will be bogged down in a civil war in which we have no fundamental security interest.

Spoken like a true neocon c*** sucker, Texan,
 
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