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The Riots Are Racial

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/

Watched one interview with a rioter and he said it was about having all the things whites have............................. what about respect?
 

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Mike the author Katharine Birbalsingh a British teacher, is a racist... just like mayor Nutter...

is a person ( "She was born in New Zealand to West Indian parents and grew up in Canada. She was then educated at Oxford. After graduating she settled permanently in the UK.) still considered a minority if she speaks out against other minorities?


Problems cannot be addressed unless people are willing to tell the truth. As with so many other things in this country, we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to speak out about it.



if you think we are the only country that stifles free speech..

She then came to national prominence after she spoke at the 2010 Conservative Party conference in support of the party's education policies and criticized the state of the British education system. She was subsequently controversially suspended from her school and forced to resign a few weeks later, despite a campaign to have her reinstated.
 

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Mike said:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/

Watched one interview with a rioter and he said it was about having all the things whites have............................. what about respect?



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you crack me up mikey. this coming from one of the biggest racist here, YOU mikey. you probably majored in racism at AUBURN. i have seen as many whites in the riots as i have blacks. the whole mess is really sad. mikey, you must go to bed at night in your robe and hood. when is your next cross burning ???


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from what i understand they are serving baked flounder for the main course , and cry wolf salad with oh woe is me soup and i'll ruin the cattle business if i can for another side dish
Served by chef TERRY in his little boy panties, with any hope at all he will graduate to BIG boy panties real soon (but don't hold your breath) :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

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Not saying it is racial, but seeing some of the pictures and tv reports, I believe these 2 former London cops, who are now cops in Calgary, when they say that the areas are ethnically-diverse.


London riots hit home for former bobbies

Watching rioters wreak havoc on his hometown — a city he used to serve and protect — is devastating for a Calgary cop.

“It’s pretty sad to see your own hometown, where you’re born and bred, burning — people running and looting in the streets, smashing in shops and attacking the police,” said Const. Rich Wall, a London, England native who served with the Metropolitan Police for 10 years before his 2005 move to Calgary, where he works for the High Risk Offender Program (HROP).

Riots descended on London — and later other U.K. cities ­— in the wake of a 29-year-old man being shot dead by police during an arrest attempt last week.

It prompted what Wall calls “yobs” to come out of the woodwork, unleashing anger over tough times in some of the city’s lower-income, ethnically-diverse and youth-populated areas.

“It’s very run down and it has been for a very long time and people are a little bit fed up mainly with the economy,” he said.

“But there’s a high, high youth population in these areas, they’re some the most gang-infested areas in London and they’re some of the most violent areas in the country so it doesn’t take an awful lot for one small incident to spark an absolute fury.”

However, England’s police forces have spent millions of pounds training officers to work in diverse communities, he said.

“I would probably say that the British police, when it comes to dealing with racial groups or multicultural communities — and don’t forget London is one of the most multicultural places on Earth — they’re probably one of the best in the world,” he said.

Sgt. Paul Cuthill, who served with the Kent Police Service near London for 13 years before moving to Calgary in 2009, said this is a case of gangs and opportunists “using the shooting of a young man as a springboard to carry out the attacks that they want to.”

Cuthill admits England’s police history is not lily white, but said this is a different generation of officers and those issues, for the most part, have dissolved.

“It’s no secret to anyone who knows the history of the British police within England that there has been race relations and tensions within the communities,” he said.

“If I stood here and said that police officers are perfect people then I would be lying because I can guarantee there are lots of stories of police officers who have acted illegally and in a corrupt manner.

“However, I’d like to say that 99.9% of the people that I worked with were hard-working decent people who just wanted to be good police officers.

“It’s the minority of police officers that behave in that manner and do things are not what they would expect from a police officer that tarnishes our name.”


http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/08/09/london-riots-hit-home-for-former-bobbies
 

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Looks like you are wrong flounder:


The riots that broke out across England this week were the consequence of years of built-up resentment among Britain's young, mostly black, underclass, the Caribbean-British writer and activist Darcus Howe told The Huffington Post on Wednesday.

"It's an insurrection of a generation of poor, primarily, black people from the Caribbean and from Africa," said Howe, who became something of an Internet sensation on this side of the Atlantic after his recent appearance on the BBC turned into a testy exchange over his claims that the authorities were failing to listen to the riots' underlying cause.

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"That was the catalyst, and residing in the catalyst is the cause," Howe said. "And the cause was the constant stopping and searching of young blacks."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/darcus-howe-london-riots_n_923896.html
 

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hypocritexposer said:
Looks like you are wrong flounder:


The riots that broke out across England this week were the consequence of years of built-up resentment among Britain's young, mostly black, underclass, the Caribbean-British writer and activist Darcus Howe told The Huffington Post on Wednesday.

"It's an insurrection of a generation of poor, primarily, black people from the Caribbean and from Africa," said Howe, who became something of an Internet sensation on this side of the Atlantic after his recent appearance on the BBC turned into a testy exchange over his claims that the authorities were failing to listen to the riots' underlying cause.

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"That was the catalyst, and residing in the catalyst is the cause," Howe said. "And the cause was the constant stopping and searching of young blacks."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/darcus-howe-london-riots_n_923896.html



No big surprise with flounder being wrong not the first time, :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

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Riots Stoke British Ethnic Tensions
Race Relations Come to Fore After Birmingham Car Attack Kills Three Asian Men; 'An Eye for an Eye'.Article Video Interactive Graphics Comments (183) more in World ».Email Print Save ↓ More .
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Violence flared anew in London and across Britain, although overall conditions appeared much calmer than in previous evenings. Bruce Orwall has the latest from London.
.BIRMINGHAM—Three Birmingham men died early Wednesday as they sought to protect local businesses from rioters, showing how the violence that began four days ago in London and spread to the U.K.'s other big cities is stoking long-simmering ethnic tensions in some of the country's most racially diverse communities.

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Mourning locals at the scene where a car hit and killed three men Wednesday in the Winson Green, area of Birmingham, England.
.The three men who died, all Asians, were hit by a carload of suspected looters. West Midlands police arrested a man near the scene and launched a murder inquiry. Witnesses said the man, the driver of the vehicle, was black.

The deaths capped a night in which rioting was quelled in London but spilled seemingly at random to other parts of the U.K. In Birmingham, the deaths led to an outpouring of anger from the city's large population of Asians.

"People are saying it's a race issue now—blacks against Asians," said Mykel Douglas, a black youth worker and resident of Winson Green, the working-class district northwest of Birmingham city center where the incident occurred. "It's like the ethnic groups are at war with each other."

Outside the family home of one of the dead men, identified by local media as Haroon Jahan, a group of young Asians—mainly ethnic Pakistanis—vowed vengeance. "People are very angry," said a bearded man in a shalwar kameez who declined to give his name. "There's going to be retaliation. An eye for an eye."

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.Local police appealed for calm. "Like everyone else in Birmingham, my concern now will be that that single incident doesn't lead to a much wider and more general level of distrust, and even worse, violence, between different communities," said West Midlands Chief Constable Chris Sims.

That message was echoed by Haroon Jahan's father, Tariq Jahan, who said the event was "not a race issue" and that locals shouldn't resort to vigilantism and settling scores. "It's already bad enough with what we are seeing on the streets now without other people taking the law into their own hands," he said in an interview with the BBC.

The wave of unrest sweeping Britain broke out last Saturday in the north London neighborhood of Tottenham, where a peaceful vigil to protest the police killing of a local man, Mark Duggan, degenerated into the worst wave of riots and looting in the capital in 30 years. The unrest then spread to other underprivileged, multiethnic parts of London and subsequently to other cities including Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham.

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Police investigators at the scene where a car hit and killed three men Wednesday in the Winson Green, area of Birmingham, England.
.In Manchester, hundreds of youths looted shops and set fire to cars and buildings on Tuesday. Local police said they had arrested 113 people, mostly on suspicion of criminal damage. Firefighters said they responded to 155 fires in the city. About 100 businesses and some police vehicles were seriously damaged, officials said.

"What we have seen are serious and unprecedented levels of violence and criminality on Greater Manchester's streets," said assistant chief constable Garry Shewan, who described the events as the "most sickening scenes" of his career.

In the early stages of the unrest, the violence was largely confined to poor areas marked by high unemployment and social deprivation. That pattern has shifted at times, however, as riots broke out in Gloucester, a market town in western England normally immune to social unrest. Nine people were arrested after a gang of youths smashed shop windows and threw bottles and rocks at police vehicles.

And while most of the violence in London was characterized by looting, particularly of stores selling sports clothing and electrical goods, outside of the capital it took on an antiauthoritarian tone. In the central English city of Nottingham, five police stations were attacked with firebombs, with one set on fire. Police cars and a high school were also targeted.

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A worker cleans up the street in front of the ruins of a burnt-down furniture store in London on Wednesday.
.Dr. Judith Rowbotham, an expert in criminal justice studies at Nottingham Trent University, said relations between the police and some local people have been strained in recent times. "There is a feeling that the police are not there to serve the community," she said.

Wednesday afternoon, Nottingham was braced for more. "People are going home early and checking whether they know where their kids are," said Helen Feeley, working in a newsagent shop next to the boarded police station that had been firebombed. Police stationed themselves near a housing project where much of the violence has taken place, as young boys on BMX bikes circled at a distance.

"None of this is going to stop unless there is some payback to the police," said a boy of 15 who declined to be named.

Violence in Birmingham's Winson Green area began Monday night when gangs tried to ransack a gasoline station on the main shopping street and stole a TV set from an Indian social club. The next day, a group of about 40 young men came out to try to avert further trouble, while local businesses closed early.

Tofsirul Islam, a 22-year-old student who lives nearby, said he suddenly saw a black car drive down the middle of the road at high speed, directly into the crowd of vigilantes. He said the three men flew into the air as the car rammed them. Its windshield was completely shattered, its fender mangled and its hood sprang up, he said.

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Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron speaks to the media outside No. 10 Downing Street in London on Wednesday.
."He could have slowed down or swerved to avoid people," Mr. Islam said. "Maybe he didn't intend to kill them, but he was definitely looking for trouble."

Mr. Islam claimed the driver and his two passengers—who he said were all Afro-Caribbean—had come to the area to loot shops. West Midlands police refused to comment, saying it was too early to connect the incident to the disturbances that affected other parts of Birmingham on Tuesday night.

Residents of Winson Green spoke highly of the three men, named by local media as Mr. Jahan, Shahzad Ali and Abdul Musavir—saying they were familiar faces in the community.

"Shazad was a nice guy who never looked for trouble and never would've harmed anyone," said Mr. Islam, who knew him. Mr. Islam's brother Shofiqal, who said he went to school with Shazad, described him as "intelligent and well-liked by most of the other students."

Locals gathering at the Faiz ul Quran mosque and madrasa, where relatives and friends of the dead men met for a memorial service, were outraged that the deaths had come during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

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.Winson Green, where white working-class families live cheek-by-jowl with immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Poland in cramped red-brick Victorian terraces, has always been relatively peaceful, residents say.

However, relations between Birmingham's black British and South Asian communities have long been marred by tensions. In 2005 there were full-scale intercommunal clashes after a pirate radio station DJ aired allegations that a black teenage girl had been gang-raped by Asian men.

Still, the latest disturbances surprised many. "I don't know why this is happening to us," said Mohammaed Saghir, manager of the Punjab Kebab House. "This isn't London."

—Alistair Macdonald, Jeanne Whalen and Peter Evans contributed to this article
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Who are the rioters? Young men from poor areas ... but that's not the full story

The crowds involved in violence and looting are drawn from a complex mix of social and racial backgrounds

Paul Lewis and James Harkin

The Guardian, Wednesday 10 August 2011

The crowd gathered outside Chalk Farm tube station at 1am on Tuesday morning was representative of those who had been at the frontline of other riots over the previous 72 hours.

Anyone who has witnessed the disturbances up close will know there is no simple answer to the question: who are the rioters? Attempts to use simple categorisations to describe the looters belies the complex make-up of those who have been participating.

Some who have been victims of the looting resent attempts to rationalise or give meaning to what they perceive as the mindless thuggery of an "underclass". Others want an explanation of who has been taking part – and why.

In the broadest sense, most of those involved have been young men from poor areas. But the generalisation cannot go much further than that. It can't be said that they are largely from one racial group. Both young men and women have joined in.

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And as multi-ethnic areas from London to Birmingham, Liverpool and Bristol burned, a myth was being dispelled: that so-called "black youths" are largely behind such violence.

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By the following day, as the looting spread to other north London suburbs, there appeared to have been a slight shift in the demographic, which started to look younger. In Enfield most of those who gathered in the town centre were white. The youngest looked about 10-years-old.

Those taking part in the battles in Hackney's Pembury estate on Monday included many women. Teenage girls helped carry debris to form the burning barricades or made piles of rocks.

One, with a yellow scarf across her face, was seemingly at the forefront. She helped set a motorbike alight, walking away with her hands aloft. Other women shouted instructions from the windows of nearby flats and houses.

"Croydon is burning down," shouted one woman who looked about 40, from her flat above a shop. Another warned the crowd when police were spotted nearby.

The mix was visible around the same time several miles south, near Peckham High Street. The fact that many youths covered their faces with masks made identifying them almost impossible.

A few young men sculpted impromptu masks out of stolen pharmacy bags, making them resemble members of the youth wing of the Ku Klux Klan.

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When another group finished ransacking a pawnbroker's and started cleaning out a local fashion boutique, an angry young black woman berated one of them. "You're taking the piss, man. That woman hand-stitches everything, she's built that shop up from nothing. It's like stealing from your mum."

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"I've seen Turkish boys, I've seen Asian boys, I've seen grown white men," he said. "They're all out there taking part." He recognised an element of opportunism in the mass looting but said an underlying cause was that many young people felt "trapped in the system". "They're disconnected from the community and they just don't care," he said.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-who-took-part?mobile-redirect=false

NOW, for the rest of the story ;

'No evidence' Tottenham man fired on police British police watchdog says gun found at scene of Mark Duggan's death was not fired before he was shot dead. Last Modified: 10 Aug 2011 07:19 A watchdog investigating the fatal shooting of a man by police, which sparked three days of rioting and looting across London and other British cities, said there was no evidence a handgun retrieved at the scene had been fired.

Reports initially suggested 29-year-old Mark Duggan had shot at police.

"At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident," the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said in an update on last Thursday's fatal shooting in Tottenham, north London.

Duggan's family said they were "completely gutted" by the findings and called for "answers" from the police.

Duggan, a father of four was travelling in a taxi when the vehicle was stopped by police carrying out an arrest as part of a Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) operation against gun crime within the black community.

IPCC investigation

The IPCC said that two shots were fired by one firearms officer, and a post-mortem examination revealed that Duggan received a gunshot wound to the chest, which killed him, as well as a second gunshot wound to his right bicep.

A bullet was found lodged in one of the police officers' radios and a non-police issue handgun was also recovered from the scene.

Ballistics tests have now revealed that the bullet lodged in the radio was police issue, "and, whilst it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from" a Heckler and Koch MP5 gun used by the police.

The handgun found at the scene was a converted BBM "Bruni" self-loading pistol, an illegal weapon, but it was not used in the incident, the tests also reveal. Further examination is being carried out.

"Someone must be made accountable for this," Duggan's family said in a statement issued to Sky News.

"We can't believe that they can do this. In this day and age this is completely unacceptable. We are very, very angry and we want answers now from the police."

The news confirms doubts about the killing of Duggan, which raised tensions in Tottenham, an ethnically mixed area with a long history of antagonism between local residents and the police.

A peaceful protest against his death on Saturday escalated into a riot in Tottenham, and copycat violence spread across other parts of London in subsequent days in the worst such unrest in the British capital for decades.

Scotland Yard said it welcomed the IPCC's update.

"It is in the interest of everyone, the family of Mr Duggan, the public and the police, that the IPCC are able to establish to all the facts of the events of last Thursday so that there is a complete understanding of what happened," a statement said.

"We appreciate that it is frustrating for people to have to wait for the outcome of the investigation but it is important that the investigation is full and thorough, and the MPS is doing everything possible to assist with that process."

The police force revealed that the firearms officers involved in the incident in Tottenham were not currently being deployed, despite thousands of extra police officers being put on the streets of London on Tuesday to prevent further unrest.

The IPCC commissioned tests by the Forensic Science Service (FSS) who have so far confirmed that:

• The bullet lodged in the MPS radio is a “jacketed round”. This is a police issue bullet and, whilst it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from an MPS Heckler and Koch MP5.

• The firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM 'Bruni' self loading pistol. This is not a replica; the scientist considers it to be a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act and a prohibited weapon and is therefore illegal.

• The handgun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subject to further tests.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/08/20118106121910261.html



leave it to folks like mikey, hapalong, and a few others here, that like to _entice_ OR _incite_ racism against everyone and everything that is not white, while screaming they are not racist, like the typical cowards they are, and leave it to the republicans that want it all, you had better be very careful what you ask for. ...
 

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flounder are you sure i am racist and that I try to cause racist unrest???
That is an insult to a couple of my grand children, and a false accusation at it's best!!!
You need to be ashamed of your self!!! Oh well forget it,you have little credence anyway so only a few would accept your claim and they don't count either.
 

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hypocritexposer said:
The color of the rioters does not matter, but what we are seeing is the result of decades of Leftism



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For me, the deepest issue at play here is one of responsibility. Who is responsible for law and order in our nation? Who is responsible for the behaviour of our young people? Can we blame the state when parents have been allowed to abdicate responsibility for the behaviour of their children?

The biggest problem our country has faced over the last two decades is that everyone thinks the government should do everything. Personal responsibility and community responsibility have been replaced by state responsibility. If the riots have shown us anything, it is that this approach does not work.

Politicians have been part of this process, and some on the left may have even encouraged our young people to riot. The liberal intelligentsia encouraged posh kids to protest and riot over student fees – and now poorer kids have joined in and we are all appalled. How can you complain when you supported such activism only a few months ago?

In a way, we are all responsible for the riots, whether directly or indirectly. We watched the previous government talk up rights for young people but with no mention of responsibilities. We have allowed our welfare system to prop up immoral lifestyles. We have not taught all our young people that an entitlement culture is morally wrong. And we have paid the price for this liberalism. Now we need to collectively grow up and take responsibility for responsibility.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/10/riots-without-responsibility
 

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flounder said:
hypocritexposer said:
The color of the rioters does not matter, but what we are seeing is the result of decades of Leftism

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :disagree:

As most of the culprits are Blair/Brown babies, I am inclined to agree with Hypocritexposer, Labour has never done anything positive for this country, Harold Wilson could interfere with other prosperous countries in the 60's but at home he compromised on every electoral promise he made, and Labour has only become worse ever since then!!
The conservative government is going to evict those found guilty of rioting from their free state housing.
 

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Brendan O’Neill
London’s burning: a mob made by the welfare state

Yes, there’s a ‘political context’ to the riots: it is that British youth have been so suckled by the state they have zero sense of community spirit.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10970/


Painting these riots as some kind of action replay of historic political streetfights against capitalist bosses or racist cops might allow armchair radicals to get their intellectual rocks off, as they lift their noses from dusty tomes about the Levellers or the Suffragettes and fantasise that a political upheaval of equal worth is now occurring outside their windows. But such shameless projection misses what is new and peculiar and deeply worrying about these riots. The political context is not the cuts agenda or racist policing – it is the welfare state, which, it is now clear, has nurtured a new generation that has absolutely no sense of community spirit or social solidarity.





The principal core, dysfunctional values learned from the upper-middle class are unrestrained individualism and liberation from responsibilities. The liberal dream of the 1960s was that unrestrained individualism and a loosening of morals would lead to freer and better society. Instead of the “dream,” the 1990s turned into a “nightmare” for the underclass.
 

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