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The skinny angus story

What would you do ?

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HAY MAKER

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You probably read the skinny angus story thread,well it got me to thinking you see I dont claim to be any thing special far from from it really,was always a rebel at heart never took to schoolin,never liked any one tellin me what to do.
But I had values instilled in me from youth............hard work clean honest fun good food and the love of the land are a few of them,and last but not least the one I remember my ole daddy tellin me regularly,he always said "Do the right thing boy" you know whats right Do it.
I caint drive past a pen of cattle that someone has some cheap excuse for letting them get in this shape,excluding sickness there is not one valid reason I can think of for this.
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Now the question becomes ............can you ?
I have never called the authorities on anyone hope I never have to,but I sure would I have little use for anyone that would let their cattle get in that shape,there is no reason,only cheap excuses .
What would you do ?
good luck
 

Dylan Biggs

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Rectifying such situations is seldom as simple as a single action. The sentiment being expressed of first action being to contact the owner is IMO the most honorable up front thing to do. If one is extremely fortunate and it is easy as that to rectify the situation that is great. Reality is though that seldom are such situations so simple. Plenty of these extreme situations are a mix of financial, psychological(depression), substance abuse, domestic turmoil etc, that will not be resolved with a conversation. That is why more often then not Authorities of some sort will need to be called on.

Soapweed, made the point about differentiating the "fine line between being meddlesome and private property ownership rights", to me this is what necessitates third party nonpartisan professional opinion to determine the reality of the situation.

There was recently a situation in Manitoba that apparently was not too hard to figure out as the living hogs who were the minority in the barn were surviving on the dead hogs.

Situations like this occur and it is incumbent on the appropriate Authorities to step in and take action.
 

Soapweed

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With cattle worth quite a bit of money at the present time, and hay being relatively cheap, there is darn sure no reason to starve cattle this year. With cheap cattle and high priced hay, there could be a bit more justification to "short" the nutrition of livestock. This year, good young bred cows are bringing between $1200 and $1500 per head, and hay can be bought for $50 per ton or less. People raising cattle should certainly not short them on feed. On the other extreme, I remember back in the spring of 1979. The winter of 1978-1979 had been a long tough time, in fact the longest and worst winter in my 59-year memory. Dad had some broken-mouthed bred cows just ready to calve in March. Their value was $200 each. My dad's brother had four-ton farmhand-made alfalfa stacks worth $50 per ton. Dad traded my uncle twenty cows for twenty four-ton stacks of this alfalfa, and both parties thought they got a good deal.
 

Dylan Biggs

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Soapweed said:
With cattle worth quite a bit of money at the present time, and hay being relatively cheap, there is darn sure no reason to starve cattle this year. With cheap cattle and high priced hay, there could be a bit more justification to "short" the nutrition of livestock. This year, good young bred cows are bringing between $1200 and $1500 per head, and hay can be bought for $50 per ton or less. People raising cattle should certainly not short them on feed. On the other extreme, I remember back in the spring of 1979. The winter of 1978-1979 had been a long tough time, in fact the longest and worst winter in my 59-year memory. Dad had some broken-mouthed bred cows just ready to calve in March. Their value was $200 each. My dad's brother had four-ton farmhand-made alfalfa stacks worth $50 per ton. Dad traded my uncle twenty cows for twenty four-ton stacks of this alfalfa, and both parties thought they got a good deal.

More to the point, I bet the cows did also. :)
 

per

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We still can't drive by some cows and actually know what is going on. The cow pictured above might be in the sick pen under veterinary care and got the way she looks in a big hurry by some sort of sickness. We just don't know. The only way to find out is to ask the care giver. I can't imagine anyone stressing or starving their cows on purpose. Who knows in the other conversation that the owner is sick in the hospital or dead or what ever. Our job would be to track down the owner and ask. Posting a picture of a skinny cow on here for all that don't like anything to do with the cattle industry to copy and paste in a more destructive way might be a bigger issue. I won't let a cow starve without contacting the owner and I think Haymaker should be brought to task for posting a picture that we know nothing about that could be harmfully used to hurt the whole industry.
 

HAY MAKER

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per said:
We still can't drive by some cows and actually know what is going on. The cow pictured above might be in the sick pen under veterinary care and got the way she looks in a big hurry by some sort of sickness. We just don't know. The only way to find out is to ask the care giver. I can't imagine anyone stressing or starving their cows on purpose. Who knows in the other conversation that the owner is sick in the hospital or dead or what ever. Our job would be to track down the owner and ask. Posting a picture of a skinny cow on here for all that don't like anything to do with the cattle industry to copy and paste in a more destructive way might be a bigger issue. I won't let a cow starve without contacting the owner and I think Haymaker should be brought to task for posting a picture that we know nothing about that could be harmfully used to hurt the whole industry.

Im not talkin about one cow.evidently you dont get it,the picture posted came from the internet,readily availible to one and all,its obvious you are part of the problem,and or pretty damned dumb,reread the post it excludes illness.
I guess Im hard core on this subject I dont talk to folks that pull this crap and that includes folks that dont have a problem with it like you.
If and when I see starved cattle starved like this Talkins done,when are you and your kind going to realize"You caint starve profit outa cattle
Now you have my permission to take me to task or are you waiting for help,maybe gang up on ole hay maker,thats what you are cheaply promotin aint it?
http://www.aragriculture.org/livest...al_learning_center/body_condition/default.htm
 

kelpies4me

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Per:
I have seen these cattle up close and personal- enough to touch them. That pic I posted doesn't show anything overtly horrible in her condition, even though, trust me, that many look worse than that. Whether it be from ignorance or neglect, result is same, hungry, skinny cattle. The owner knows that there is a problem, let's hope he addresses it. Soapweed- your dad is one very wise person.
 

per

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Don't need help here Haymaker. We beat the subject to death and someone decides it needs brought up again. You posted a pick that we don't know or are not saying how it got in that condition and asked us to pretend it was starved that way. Well I don't know that and on the other thread we still don't know the circumstances so I am not going to pretend to know what is going on until the owner or caretaker is contacted.

It is just dumb to keep these kinds of photo's up front and centre for folks adverse to our industry to use in nefarious ways. Your opinion as far as not allowing cattle to be starved is very much my own as well. I am just pointing out the the horse is dead so it needs not to be flogged further.
 

HAY MAKER

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per said:
Don't need help here Haymaker. We beat the subject to death and someone decides it needs brought up again. You posted a pick that we don't know or are not saying how it got in that condition and asked us to pretend it was starved that way. Well I don't know that and on the other thread we still don't know the circumstances so I am not going to pretend to know what is going on until the owner or caretaker is contacted.

It is just dumb to keep these kinds of photo's up front and centre for folks adverse to our industry to use in nefarious ways. Your opinion as far as not allowing cattle to be starved is very much my own as well. I am just pointing out the the horse is dead so it needs not to be flogged further.

That's your opinion kinda sweep it under the rug deal,I dont know where you ranch or how much you get around,but I bet when the "BSE" issue was strong there was a lot of BS2 cattle in that part of the country,I see more than I care to at local sales barns,and to be honest I have tried to talk to some folks about starvin profit outa a cow,you oughta hear the cheap excuses.
So in my mind anyone that can not comprehend the fact about starvin profit outa cattle,arent going to do the right thing anyway.
You see some folks dont give a damn about doing the right thing,that's why we have the means to make them.

PS Give up on the picture whine,it makes you look foolish,as it is online by the United states Government.
Tryin to move this thread to an attack on me aint workin,probably gonna hafta do it yourself,Im waitin
 

per

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kelpies4me said:
Per:
I have seen these cattle up close and personal- enough to touch them. That pic I posted doesn't show anything overtly horrible in her condition, even though, trust me, that many look worse than that. Whether it be from ignorance or neglect, result is same, hungry, skinny cattle. The owner knows that there is a problem, let's hope he addresses it. Soapweed- your dad is one very wise person.

So why do we need another thread with a picture of a non incident related cow. You might notice I was willing to leave the other thread alone. My input there agreed with most everyone else. I just don't think we need make up new issues. I have no argument with you Kelpies nor do I disagree with you on this.
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
per said:
kelpies4me said:
Per:
I have seen these cattle up close and personal- enough to touch them. That pic I posted doesn't show anything overtly horrible in her condition, even though, trust me, that many look worse than that. Whether it be from ignorance or neglect, result is same, hungry, skinny cattle. The owner knows that there is a problem, let's hope he addresses it. Soapweed- your dad is one very wise person.

So why do we need another thread with a picture of a non incident related cow. You might notice I was willing to leave the other thread alone. My input there agreed with most everyone else. I just don't think we need make up new issues. I have no argument with you Kelpies nor do I disagree with you on this.

Per my suggestion to you is,if you dont like the topic,dont open the thread,kinda simple really dont you think ?
 

per

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HAY MAKER said:
per said:
Don't need help here Haymaker. We beat the subject to death and someone decides it needs brought up again. You posted a pick that we don't know or are not saying how it got in that condition and asked us to pretend it was starved that way. Well I don't know that and on the other thread we still don't know the circumstances so I am not going to pretend to know what is going on until the owner or caretaker is contacted.

It is just dumb to keep these kinds of photo's up front and centre for folks adverse to our industry to use in nefarious ways. Your opinion as far as not allowing cattle to be starved is very much my own as well. I am just pointing out the the horse is dead so it needs not to be flogged further.

That's your opinion kinda sweep it under the rug deal,I don't know where you ranch or how much you get around,but I bet when the "BSE" issue was strong there was a lot of BS2 cattle in that part of the country,I see more than I care to at local sales barns,and to be honest I have tried to talk to some folks about starvin profit outa a cow,you oughta hear the cheap excuses.
So in my mind anyone that can not comprehend the fact about starvin profit outa cattle,arent going to do the right thing anyway.
You see some folks dont give a damn about doing the right thing,that's why we have the means to make them.

I never suggested sweeping anything under the rug. I only said we don't need to shake a rug other than the dirty one we already shook. You know more about me than you think. You for sure have seen how I look after cattle with the endless photo's that I post on here. Not to many fat cattle here but you will never see a skinning one either. You'll have to take my word for it that I get out and about, not only in my country, but yours and others. I do make my living in this industry and surely understand that starving a profit is not possible. Thank you for an entertaining morning.
 

per

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HAY MAKER said:
per said:
kelpies4me said:
Per:
I have seen these cattle up close and personal- enough to touch them. That pic I posted doesn't show anything overtly horrible in her condition, even though, trust me, that many look worse than that. Whether it be from ignorance or neglect, result is same, hungry, skinny cattle. The owner knows that there is a problem, let's hope he addresses it. Soapweed- your dad is one very wise person.

So why do we need another thread with a picture of a non incident related cow. You might notice I was willing to leave the other thread alone. My input there agreed with most everyone else. I just don't think we need make up new issues. I have no argument with you Kelpies nor do I disagree with you on this.

Per my suggestion to you is,if you dont like the topic,dont open the thread,kinda simple really dont you think ?

Sure Haymaker that would have the sensible thing here but sometimes a guy just can't help himself. I'll take your suggestion under advisement and carefully consider the source.
 

HAY MAKER

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per said:
HAY MAKER said:
per said:
So why do we need another thread with a picture of a non incident related cow. You might notice I was willing to leave the other thread alone. My input there agreed with most everyone else. I just don't think we need make up new issues. I have no argument with you Kelpies nor do I disagree with you on this.

Per my suggestion to you is,if you dont like the topic,dont open the thread,kinda simple really dont you think ?

Sure Haymaker that would have the sensible thing here but sometimes a guy just can't help himself. I'll take your suggestion under advisement and carefully consider the source.

You have my permission and please remember I have little use for exuse makers and promotin gangin up on someone.
never did care much for gangs.
 

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