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The truth about labor participation and Obama's big lie

Brad S

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Not Looking for Work: Why Labor Force Participation Has Fallen During the Recovery

The American economy is experiencing the slowest recovery in 70 years. In addition to persistently high unemployment, labor force participation has fallen sharply since the recession began in December 2007. Today, 6.9 million fewer Americans are working or looking for work. This drop accounts for virtually the entire reduction of the unemployment rate since 2009 because those not looking for work do not count as unemployed.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/09/not-looking-for-work-why-labor-force-participation-has-fallen-during-the-recovery
 

hypocritexposer

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should lower your unemployment rate, that's for sure...

the collapse in the labor force participation rate, which in September slid from an already three decade low 62.8% to 62.7% - the lowest in over 36 years, matching the February 1978 lows. And while according to the Household Survey, 232,000 people found jobs, what is more disturbing is that the people not in the labor force, rose to a new record high, increasing by 315,000 to 92.6 million!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/labor-participation-rate-drops-36-year-low-record-926-million-americans-not-labor-fo

 

Brad S

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Looks like someone starting a thread entitled "hmmmm" doesn't have a clue to what labor participation rate refers.
 
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Anonymous

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Brad S said:
Looks like someone starting a thread entitled "hmmmm" doesn't have a clue to what labor participation rate refers.

Or this article is full of sh*t!

I can vouch for the fact there are jobs available if folks want to work.. My one daughter works in Williston- and she says that is all her boss can find to work anymore is Mexicans/Central Americans...

And you don't have to be just in Williston- these oil related jobs are all over Montana and ND-- and in an article I just read on the Bakken news - extend into the oil fields of Wyoming and Colorado as well as Texas where fracking and other new technologies is reawakening the oil fields....

A lot of these oil field related jobs are in Billings- and the article said that Denver was hub of the oil world now...
 

Mike

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OT wrote:
Or this article is full of sh*t!

It's not an article Birdbrain. It's a full research study by capable people unlike yourself.

It also encompasses the whole USA instead of your little backwoods part.

You really need to get out and see the parts of the country you have never seen. There is poverty galore in all the large inner cities brought on by your way of thinking.

:roll:
 

Tom in TN

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I guess I live a sheltered life, but the fact is, I don't personally know one single person who is "unemployed". I know several families where only one spouse is in the workforce, but they do it by choice.

There are help-wanted ads in the newspaper every day, and they're not all at minimum wage or part-time jobs. The trades are always looking for employees. We are having a big expansion of assembly line work at a local General Motors plant. And of course, customer service jobs are everywhere.

Maybe it's the locale. Maybe it's the culture. Maybe I'm just blind to the situation. In any event, I don't see unemployment as a serious problem around me.

Tom in TN
 

Brad S

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OT dismisses a project from heritage because he knows someone working? Too stupid to educate. How, OT, do you define anecdote? Is a collection of anecdotes data? OT really does exhibit sufficient ignorance to be a liberal. I'm disgusted with myself for ever having responded to OT and the hmmm author. I'm sure the labor participation link to unemployment escapes them.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Tom, I don't doubt that you don't know any. But at the same time, it depends on who you know. I don't know anyone in my family and friends that are unemployed or at least acknowledging it (which is not something most proud people toss around), know some that are underemployed of where they were prior to all this mess which is something that is under reported as well.

Saying that, I meet someone pretty much daily if not multiple each day that are unemployed. There are many out there.

Welfare pays enough that when some become underemployed, it is just easier and financially better for them to stop looking.

Then you have those that the welfare system advises them to stop working. A kid at the local drive-in quit because the assistance man told him that he if he did, he could get his parents more money and he could get the kid his own apartment.

Heads need to roll and nuts need cuttin.
 
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Anonymous

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Tom in TN said:
I guess I live a sheltered life, but the fact is, I don't personally know one single person who is "unemployed". I know several families where only one spouse is in the workforce, but they do it by choice.

There are help-wanted ads in the newspaper every day, and they're not all at minimum wage or part-time jobs. The trades are always looking for employees. We are having a big expansion of assembly line work at a local General Motors plant. And of course, customer service jobs are everywhere.

Maybe it's the locale. Maybe it's the culture. Maybe I'm just blind to the situation. In any event, I don't see unemployment as a serious problem around me.

Tom in TN

Yep- same here... Like the commissioners post said- if you can pass the p*ss test you can get a job... Railroad is hiring every day- but again the p*ss test comes in for even rail line crews...
So many farm and ranch jobs that they even started a local (MT/ND) site to post them... A couple days ago I saw that one of Northern Ranchers old friends ranch in Plentywood was looking for immediate ranch help....

Ironically- it appears to me that the only ones b*tching about not being able to find jobs is the right wing extremists who from day one have wished for Obama to fail... :???: :wink:
As far as those inner city folks living in poverty- things aren't going to get any better until they get out to where the jobs are... I wonder if the reason so many of them aren't working is again that p*ss test- which then makes their unemployment/unemployability self inflicted...
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Brad S said:
OT dismisses a project from heritage because he knows someone working? Too stupid to educate. How, OT, do you define anecdote? Is a collection of anecdotes data? OT really does exhibit sufficient ignorance to be a liberal. I'm disgusted with myself for ever having responded to OT and the hmmm author. I'm sure the labor participation link to unemployment escapes them.


No, what is disgusting is their lack of honesty. They can stare unadulterated data right in the face and dismiss it because it doesn't agree with their per-conceived ideas.

Like most liberals, they can't make a hypothesis and then deduce if it is false. They create a belief and search for supportive claims no matter how twisted it need be. Legitimate or not, they parrot anything.

You have more restraint than I. I hate dishonesty and pukes that call a soldier a liar that risked his life keeping the puke's head from being separated from his fat butt.
 

ranch hand

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Oldtimer said:
Brad S said:
Looks like someone starting a thread entitled "hmmmm" doesn't have a clue to what labor participation rate refers.

Or this article is full of sh*t!

I can vouch for the fact there are jobs available if folks want to work.. My one daughter works in Williston- and she says that is all her boss can find to work anymore is Mexicans/Central Americans...

And you don't have to be just in Williston- these oil related jobs are all over Montana and ND-- and in an article I just read on the Bakken news - extend into the oil fields of Wyoming and Colorado as well as Texas where fracking and other new technologies is reawakening the oil fields....

A lot of these oil field related jobs are in Billings- and the article said that Denver was hub of the oil world now...

AND WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE OT? You only post part of the equation of getting a job in the Bakken. If they had housing for these jobs they would be filled.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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ranch hand said:
Oldtimer said:
Brad S said:
Looks like someone starting a thread entitled "hmmmm" doesn't have a clue to what labor participation rate refers.

Or this article is full of sh*t!

I can vouch for the fact there are jobs available if folks want to work.. My one daughter works in Williston- and she says that is all her boss can find to work anymore is Mexicans/Central Americans...

And you don't have to be just in Williston- these oil related jobs are all over Montana and ND-- and in an article I just read on the Bakken news - extend into the oil fields of Wyoming and Colorado as well as Texas where fracking and other new technologies is reawakening the oil fields....

A lot of these oil field related jobs are in Billings- and the article said that Denver was hub of the oil world now...

AND WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE OT? You only post part of the equation of getting a job in the Bakken. If they had housing for these jobs they would be filled.

Why does OT support the guy that is keeping several other areas from enjoying this employment level? Why not open up federal lands in other areas to spread out the job opportunities so that these families don't have to crowd into limited number of areas? Maybe they could buy or rent houses instead of tiny podunk trailers intended for a week of camping?
 

Brad S

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As far as those inner city folks living in poverty- things aren't going to get any better until they get out to where the jobs are... I wonder if the reason so many of them aren't working is again that p*ss test- which then makes their unemployment/unemployability self inflicted...

More bigotry from the left.
 
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Anonymous

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ranch hand said:
Oldtimer said:
Brad S said:
Looks like someone starting a thread entitled "hmmmm" doesn't have a clue to what labor participation rate refers.

Or this article is full of sh*t!

I can vouch for the fact there are jobs available if folks want to work.. My one daughter works in Williston- and she says that is all her boss can find to work anymore is Mexicans/Central Americans...

And you don't have to be just in Williston- these oil related jobs are all over Montana and ND-- and in an article I just read on the Bakken news - extend into the oil fields of Wyoming and Colorado as well as Texas where fracking and other new technologies is reawakening the oil fields....

A lot of these oil field related jobs are in Billings- and the article said that Denver was hub of the oil world now...

AND WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE OT? You only post part of the equation of getting a job in the Bakken. If they had housing for these jobs they would be filled.

Well that is a problem with some of the jobs right in the oilfield-BUT like I said you don't have to live in the oilfield to partake of all the jobs... Glasgow, Havre, Billings, all have oil field related service jobs...
I talked with a fellow from Florida the other day that is a service tech for DISH-TV... He is living in Poplar... Some- even those that work in the oil fields and live in mancamps while on their work period are renting units at St. Marie for their families to live in...

I've been told that even in Williston the housing problem is getting a lot better- with new houses, apts. and motels being built... I just heard today that Williston is planning on building a new $236 million airport a little further out of town... They said the airport now serves more passengers in one month than it did the year prior to the oil boom in 2008.... Many of these are folks commuting back and forth to work- so many days on then so many days off- staying in the man camps...
 

Brad S

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Ironically- it appears to me that the only ones b*tching about not being able to find jobs is the right wing extremists who from day one have wished for Obama to fail...

Studies prove Obama failed by the labor participation rate; no matter some anecdote a liar such as OT may offer - even if OT is accidentally telling the truth. The labor participation rate is just another example of the failure of socialism. Socialism fails, unrelated to my wishes. If I wished my horse had stripes, would I have a zebra.


Get this, Obama and his rendition of socialism, is a FAILURE, and a liar's willingness to deny facts and contort the truth means no more than me wishing my horse had stripes.
 

ranch hand

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OT you had better get out of the bar and check these out. There is housing shortage off the bakken too. The big governor of MT. vetoed a bill to help these towns out with the overflow of oil field workers.
 

Brad S

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The montanans I know in Richland county all complain that the state revenue from oil production all goes west to the population centers and doesn't even help with the increase road costs necessary to bring in revenues from oil production.
 
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