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The Umpteen Millionth Time!

MoGal

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Sandhusker, I realize what you are saying, but please this article and it talks about Japan about one third of the page down, however, the entire article is about free trade and is backed up with news articles.

http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/free_trade/

at least soak this in:

After 15 years of negotiations, our import share in Asia fell from 18% to 10%! One would think this would ring alarm bells. But all it does is trigger the snooze alarm. After 15 years of 'negotiations' we have LOST market shares in Japan, China and Korea!

IF you think Japan won't come up with another excuse after all beef is tested for BSE, think again........... did you read what they had to do just to send apples??
 

rkaiser

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Can't argue with much of what you are saying Mogal... But I hope the Canucks on here are not simply lumping Canada in with the Americans in this economic powerhouse war.

Canada can and will be allowed to contribute to the Asian Marketplace once we get our hands out of Uncle Sam's pocket. You'll be packing your bags and moving up to Canada once this Canad Gold thing kicks in Sandhusker. I think there is a little bank up in Nipawin Saskatchewan looking for a manager who's not afraid to drive 12 hours to find civilisation.
 

Sandhusker

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MoGal said:
Sandhusker, I realize what you are saying, but please this article and it talks about Japan about one third of the page down, however, the entire article is about free trade and is backed up with news articles.

http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/free_trade/

at least soak this in:

After 15 years of negotiations, our import share in Asia fell from 18% to 10%! One would think this would ring alarm bells. But all it does is trigger the snooze alarm. After 15 years of 'negotiations' we have LOST market shares in Japan, China and Korea!

IF you think Japan won't come up with another excuse after all beef is tested for BSE, think again........... did you read what they had to do just to send apples??

I tried to read that, but after blaming Israel for all the US's problems, I couldn't give them any credibility and bailed.

MG, claiming Japan's asking us for testing is simply a trade barrier just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

Isn't the purpose of a trade barrier to protect the domestic industry from imports? How is that happening when our beef was simply replaced by Aussie?

What do you think would be the reaction if US beef was allowed in without testing when the local guys have to test theirs? Do you think that rule would stand? You have to understand the history of BSE and consumer's preferences over there. You've got a population that is much more food-health consious than we are. They also had a scandal where their government tried to cover up BSE when it first surfaced over there. A lot of people lost their jobs over that. Understanding what went on over there, I would say our negotiators should of expected them to require testing. It all makes sense.
 

Mike

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IF you think Japan won't come up with another excuse after all beef is tested for BSE, think again...........

It would not have cost the USA producer one penny to call the Japs bluff had the USDA allowed Creekstone the right to test.

Otherwise, we will never know............................. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Mike said:
IF you think Japan won't come up with another excuse after all beef is tested for BSE, think again...........

It would not have cost the USA producer one penny to call the Japs bluff had the USDA allowed Creekstone the right to test.

Otherwise, we will never know............................. :roll:

Yep, and then we would have solid footing to pop them right back. But what if they had accepted it like they said they would.....
 

per

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Then life would be good for you and you would be able to legitimately leave Canada in the cold unless we tested too.
 

MoGal

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I agree that a beef producer should be allowed to test for BSE if they so desire......... I have no argument with that at all.... all I'm saying is Japan will come up with another excuse.......

The Midwest Cattleman March 13, 2008 issue on page 6 "Plain Talk on Cattle" by Ron Plain, Extension Economist UMC
says,


The US exported 1.43 billion pounds of beef in 2007 Our five biggest foreign customer were Mexico 40.9%, Canada 23.7%, Japan 11.1% Sourth Korea 5.4% and Taiwan 4.9% of our beef exports. Beef imports in 2007 totaled 3.052 billion pounds. The US is the world's largest importer of beef. Our biggest suppliers last year were Australia (the origin of 29.1% of our beef imports), Canada 25.9 %, New Zealand 16.6%, Uruguay 11.6% and Brazil 9.2%.
(MY NOTE: THIS COMES TO 92.4% ..... DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE ONLY BUYING 7.6% FROM AMERICAN BEEF PRODUCERS.... that wouldn't surprise me and is probably why prices are suppressed here in the US and the herd hasn't grown and is reducing........ duh)




In 2007 the US imported nearly 2.5 million cattle, 9% more than the year before; 56.3% of these imported cattle came from Canada and 43.7% from Mexico. Almost all of the cattle imported from Mexico were feeders destine for a US feedlot. About 60.5% of the Canadian cattle imported last year were for immediate slaughter.

In 2007, the US imported nearly 40 head of cattle for EACH ONE EXPORTED. The US exported 64,509 cattle last year, the most since 2003) 65.4% to Canada, 21.4% to Mexico and 13.2% elsewhere............ (I take it they mean live cattle)
 

Sandhusker

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per said:
Then life would be good for you and you would be able to legitimately leave Canada in the cold unless we tested too.

Canada allowing testing and taking that market is less desirable than being dependant on the US for your survival?
 

bse-tester

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Can it possibly be due to the problem that the USDA has with a producer conducting the testing and being in control of the chain of custody of not only the test samples but the testing protocol itself?

How can a producer be trusted to provide accurate test results when his or her bottom line may be on the line so-to-speak??? It is a case of the fox looking after the chickens according to a USDA source?

One opinion, which I share, is that the USDA wishes to maintain total control only because they do not wish the world to see the unbelieveable amount of positives they themselves find and they certainly do not wish to divulge this information to the American public. Hell, the British Government did that for years and even fired three government BSE scientists who threatened to go public. Their careers were virtually ruined overnight by the British Government.

God loves a conspiracy but he loves fools for not believing they exist also.

Go figure. Perhaps the fox is already looking after the chickens huh??
 

Sandhusker

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Can it possibly be due to the problem that the USDA has with a producer conducting the testing and being in control of the chain of custody of not only the test samples but the testing protocol itself?

The producers would not be testing, it would be the packer - and as evidenced by e-coli testing, I don't think the USDA has any problems with packers handling everything.

How can a producer be trusted to provide accurate test results when his or her bottom line may be on the line so-to-speak??? It is a case of the fox looking after the chickens according to a USDA source?

It would be the packer doing the testing and, other than the individual animal, what would they be out if they found a positive? They didn't breed it, raise it, feed it, etc.... they just bought it.
 

bse-tester

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Of course you are absolutely right Sandhusker - you know it and I know it. Having said that, I posed the question due to the fact that the Alberta Government up here considers the Packers to also be the producers once they acquire the animals and put them into their own pens prior to slaughter. Why else would the Alberta Governemtn give the Packers all of the money to prop the Packers up following the severe losses due to the BSE outbreak and literally provide the ranchers, and all of the original producers of the animals with next to nothing. We had farmers, ranchers cattle producers up here shutting their operations down while the Alberta Government gave the packers millions of dollars to ofset their losses.

The fact is, if the packers gain control of testing, do you honestly think that the test results will be better than what they are currently when you consider how the USDA or the CFIA are approaching testing - what with only doing tests of a very small percentage of animals period???

That is the real question Sandhusker. The Packers only look at the bottom line - period. That is evidenced already by some of the crap they are trying to sell to the totally misinformed and gulliable public. Sure some get caught, but then, what of those who do not??
 

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