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The Votes Do Count for the Dems

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Anonymous

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This article made me chuckle-- after the Repubs disenchanted (flat P.O.ed) many of the states voters with their elitist caucus manuevers to move their choice earlier to get some media coverage- it is now the Dems who stayed with the game and still give everyone in the state a vote that are getting all the attention..... :wink: :lol: :lol:

Contested Democratic race puts Montana in the national spotlight
By MIKE DENNISON
Gazette State Bureau

HELENA - As Montanans go to the polls in today's primary election, the eyes of the nation and the world will be upon them, for their votes will help decide the Democratic primary presidential contest between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.

With Obama 40-some delegates away from sealing the nomination, Montana's usually irrelevant 25 Democratic nominating delegates have become crucial - and today's election results will help determine how many go to Obama.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/06/03/news/state/18-spotlight.txt
 

Sandhusker

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The Dems are pulling some elitist moves of their own with this Michigan and Florida deal. The election process is supposed to be about the wishes of the people, not the party.
 

Steve

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OldTimer
it is now the Dems who stayed with the game and still give everyone in the state a vote

No matter how many democrats get to vote, the contest will not be decided by the voters in the Democratic party,.. as neither candidate will have enough earned votes or delegates to win,.. only the "super delegates" can push a candidate over the top...

so in effect your vote doesn't matter other then dragging the primary into June... only those of the elitist party "super delegates" matter....
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
OldTimer
it is now the Dems who stayed with the game and still give everyone in the state a vote

No matter how many democrats get to vote, the contest will not be decided by the voters in the Democratic party,.. as neither candidate will have enough earned votes or delegates to win,.. only the "super delegates" can push a candidate over the top...

so in effect your vote doesn't matter other then dragging the primary into June... only those of the elitist party "super delegates" matter....

Well- In Montana, as the article noted, the Dems (and Independents that are now voting Dem) feel like their vote counts-- which can't be said for many Republicans and Independents who thought the elitist Republican state leadership had took that away from them (100's of letters to the editor and state Repub Party)....

But the Montana Repub Party is in a state of disarray....
 

Steve

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OldTimer
Well- In Montana, as the article noted, the Dems (and Independents that are now voting Dem) feel like their vote counts--

Now that your independent votes helped Obama win the primary are you going to still support him in the general election?
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
OldTimer
Well- In Montana, as the article noted, the Dems (and Independents that are now voting Dem) feel like their vote counts--

Now that your independent votes helped Obama win the primary are you going to still support him in the general election?

Don't know who I'll support...Don't like either one of the cultist candidates.....Wrote in Ross Perot again yesterday.....

I am still listening to that "great sucking sound" as all our countries wealth goes overseas- and GW helps the oil cartels and his elitist banker/speculator buddies bankrupt us...
And everyone said old Ross was nuts.....
 
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Anonymous

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Oldtimer said:
But the Montana Repub Party is in a state of disarray....

Montana Repubs must want to try and challenge Senator Byrd for oldest Senator :shock: ... 85 years old is the only candidate they could agree on :shock: :wink: :lol:

Like I said- Montana Republican Party is in a state of disarray- and their caucus fiasco didn't help them..... :(


Kelleher, Driscoll win shockers in GOP Senate, Demo House primaries
By MIKE DENNISON
Gazette State Bureau

HELENA - Butte attorney Bob Kelleher, a long-shot candidate who has run for everything from governor to president, pulled off a stunning upset Tuesday in Montana's Republican primary for U.S. Senate, beating five other candidates for the nomination to challenge incumbent Democrat Max Baucus this fall.

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Kelleher, 85, whose unusual political career has been spent promoting a parliamentary system of government for the United States, takes on Baucus, who ran unopposed in the Democratic primary and who is a heavy favorite to win re-election.

The GOP Senate primary was considered a wide-open race, as none of the candidates is well-known among Republican voters.

Yet few observers thought Kelleher would be the one to win it. Kelleher, who has run for office 16 times since 1972 without a general-election victory, has more often ran as a Democrat than a Republican, and ran six years ago as a Green Party candidate.

His political views are generally left-of-center, such as supporting a single-payer, government-run health system for all, and his signature issue is converting the U.S. political system to a parliamentary system.

Erik Iverson, chairman of the Montana Republican Party, said Kelleher's name recognition must have played a role in the victory, while running against a field of little-known candidates.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/06/04/news/state/17-primary08_s.txt
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer said:
But the Montana Repub Party is in a state of disarray....

Montana Repubs must want to try and challenge Senator Byrd for oldest Senator :shock: ... 85 years old is the only candidate they could agree on :shock: :wink: :lol:

Like I said- Montana Republican Party is in a state of disarray- and their caucus fiasco didn't help them..... :(

OT I think you are losing it, now you are quoting yourself. They say that is not bad but once you start answering yourself like above it is sign you are going crazy. :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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That mainstream Republicans couldn't field a candidate able to dominate the race also says something else, they say.

And it means the GOP might be in some trouble if it couldn't rustle up somebody able to knock off an eccentric like Kelleher,

Aplus- Yep talking to myself :wink: Its just got me totally amazed that the Repubs picked a liberal green party member as their candidate...And an 85 year old one at that... :shock: The above answers the question of the status quo of the Repub party....Looks like Montana Republicans want CHANGE- in fact BIG CHANGE... :wink: :lol:

So Kelleher finally won a race: Now what?
U.S. Senate candidate, who's for a parliament and socialized medicine, isn't claimed by GOP

By JENNIFER McKEE
Gazette State Bureau

HELENA - Republican U.S. Senate nominee Bob Kelleher wants a "nonviolent revolution" to overthrow the foundation of American government. He favors enormous, FDR-style government work programs to reduce poverty; he wants to nationalize the American oil and gas industries and supports government-run, socialized medicine. He has little nice to say about President Bush or former Montana Gov. Marc Racicot.

Political scientists and the head of the Montana Republican Party say Kelleher, 85, isn't really a Republican at all.


And yet Kelleher beat five mostly conservative to moderate GOP candidates to become the Republican who will take on Democrat Sen. Max Baucus in the fall.

How did this happen? And what does it mean?
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But almost none of that sounds like the stuff of a Republican, said Craig Wilson, a political science professor at Montana State University Billings.

"Absolutely, positively not," Wilson said when asked if Kelleher, who has run mostly as a Democrat, with a few Green Party races thrown in, could now be considered a Republican.

Erik Iverson, chairman of the Montana Republican Party and Republican U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg's chief of staff, agreed.

"No. Those positions don't reflect the platform of the Montana Republican Party or the national Republican Party," he said. "Mr. Kelleher is going to have to go out and make his case to Republicans and all Montana."

So why did 26,765 Republicans vote for him Tuesday? Kelleher didn't just squeak out a win. He got almost 10,000 more votes than his closet competitor, Mike Lange, the GOP House majority leader in the 2007 session and a man whose Republican identity is hardly in question.

"I don't know," Wilson said Tuesday with a laugh.

But there are many theories.

First, Wilson said, the vote in the GOP Senate primary was split among six candidates, none of whom had raised much money or done much campaigning to get their names out. The one possible exception, Wilson said, was Lange, who gained fame - or at least infamy - at the end of the 2007 Legislature, when he let loose a mouthful of profanities that were widely seen on television and computer screens. Lange also participated in the conciliatory, bipartisan meeting with Democrats that brought an end to the stalemate over the state budget.

That got him removed from his leadership position.

Many Republicans who voted in the race knew nothing about the candidates, or they knew only that they didn't want to vote for Lange.

There's also the matter of the paltry Republican turnout, Wilson said. Almost two-thirds of the ballots cast Tuesday were for Democrats, a startling turnaround.

So you've got a small number of Republicans splitting their vote among a large selection of political nobodies - and one guy with a spotty record.
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That mainstream Republicans couldn't field a candidate able to dominate the race also says something else, they say.

It means that Baucus, who amassed $10 million in his war chest, successfully scared off any credible GOP challenger, Lopach said. And it means the GOP might be in some trouble if it couldn't rustle up somebody able to knock off an eccentric like Kelleher, to say nothing of giving Baucus a real run for his voluminous money.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/06/05/news/state/18-primary08_s.txt
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer said:
But the Montana Repub Party is in a state of disarray....

Montana Repubs must want to try and challenge Senator Byrd for oldest Senator :shock: ... 85 years old is the only candidate they could agree on :shock: :wink: :lol:

Like I said- Montana Republican Party is in a state of disarray- and their caucus fiasco didn't help them..... :(

OT I think you are losing it, now you are quoting yourself. The scary thing is you are starting to reply back :lol:
 

hopalong

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer said:
But the Montana Repub Party is in a state of disarray....

Montana Repubs must want to try and challenge Senator Byrd for oldest Senator :shock: ... 85 years old is the only candidate they could agree on :shock: :wink: :lol:

Like I said- Montana Republican Party is in a state of disarray- and their caucus fiasco didn't help them..... :(

OT I think you are losing it, now you are quoting yourself. The scary thing is you are starting to reply back :lol:


Gotta have it before you can lose it! :D
 

Larrry

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Something I have wondered, as much as OT posts on this board I'll bet he has the best fences in the State of MT. I think I'll look back for OT's posts and see if he has great fences.
See ya later better go fix fence :lol:
 

Mike

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Larrry said:
Something I have wondered, as much as OT posts on this board I'll bet he has the best fences in the State of MT. I think I'll look back for OT's posts and see if he has great fences.
See ya later better go fix fence :lol:

From the looks of his pens, he uses the same thing I do when patching fences..............old bicycle frames and bedsprings. :D
 
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Anonymous

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Montana made national news on CNN today-- about Kelleher- they were doing a piece about how a mostly Democrat, former Green Party candidate for President, could now be the 85 year old Montana Republican Parties chosen Champion for US Senate.... :roll: :shock: :wink: :lol:

Altho they never said it directly--After watching it I got the feeling while they mentioned McCains age- and after interviewing the doddering old Kelleher- with his several days growth of scruffy beard, huge voluminous bushy eyebrows and missheveled hair- I got the feeling they were pointing out the generation gap of the Repub party- and how they have lost many of the last couple of generations- especially amongst the educated...

The feeling I also got after watching was that while McSame has one foot in the grave- and the other on a banana peel-(and wants his finger on the nuke button :roll: :shock: ) -- Kelleher looked like they should be closing the casket..... :wink:
 
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"We're not turning Bob Kelleher away," Iverson said. "I'm going to come in and visit him."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Continuation of the Montana Repubs saga of having a US Senate candidate elected in the primary they don't want- or who isn't a Republican :lol: :lol: They're gonna stick him in a side room and hide him at the convention- but the Repub Chairman is nice enough he says he'll come visit him... :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've never seen the Montana Repubs in such a state of disarray.... :shock: :(


GOP denies Kelleher a convention speech slot
By CHARLES S. JOHNSON
Gazette State Bureau

HELENA - Bob Kelleher, the surprise Republican U.S. Senate nominee, won't be allowed to address the 400 delegates at the state GOP convention in Missoula this week, but he has been offered a side room for an hour to meet with anyone interested.

"We have limited time," state Republican chairman Erik Iverson said Wednesday. "We are reserving it for our other statewide candidates."

Iverson decided to offer Kelleher a conference room at the Hilton Garden Inn for an hour Friday afternoon, where the 85-year-old Butte lawyer can talk to anyone at the convention who ventures in. Kelleher also will have a table for distributing his campaign materials for his long-shot race against Democratic U.S. Sen. Max Baucus.

"We're not turning Bob Kelleher away," Iverson said. "I'm going to come in and visit him."
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/06/19/news/state/18-kelleher.txt
 
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Absolute state of disarray :shock: :wink: :lol: :p The party ran out the Lt. Gov. as McCains chairman, because he is statesman/bipartisan enough to have run with the very popular Democrat Governor (and the current Neocons running the party consider it blasphemy to work bipartisanly :roll: )- then brought in the old crook (Conman Burns) that along with GW has created much of the turmoil in and downfall of the State party :shock:
Then in true tradition, Conman opens mouth- inserts foot :roll: :lol: :lol: So now some want someone else speaking for McCain...

They put their Senate candidate in a side room to hide him- don't know who is actually speaking for McCain- the state leader they booted out of his leadership post, who got beat by the 85 year old Senate candidate who really isn't a Repub, is now running a write in vote-- and they expect to convince people they are ready to lead the state and country
:???: :shock:

This is getting better than a 3 Stooges matinee serial.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :p

McCain adds new GOP convention speaker
By The Associated Press

HELENA, Mont. - The campaign of Republican presidential hopeful John McCain says it is sticking with former U.S. Sen. Conrad Burns as its state chairman, following his comments last week that McCain was not his first choice.

Earlier Thursday, Montana GOP officials had said Burns was being replaced as the campaign's speaker at the state party convention this week in Missoula.

Later, the McCain campaign said Burns was not being replaced and would be speaking in addition to retired Navy Capt. Rod Knutson, a Thompson Falls man who was a prisoner of war during Vietnam and who had spent time at the same POW camp as McCain.

"He is the chairman of our state campaign," McCain spokesman Jeff Sadosky said of Burns.

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Burns, known to speak his mind, told Idaho State Republican Convention delegates last week: "I'm sitting here campaigning for John McCain. He wasn't my first choice, but he is now."

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Burns was brought in less than a week before the party's caucus. Even though Burns remains popular with party insiders, McCain was only able to muster a disappointing third place finish in the state's caucus.

And observers found Burns to be a curious choice considering that his alleged ties to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal played a key role in his 2006 loss to Democrat Jon Tester - even though Burns was never charged with any wrongdoing. McCain, meanwhile, has touted his role in exposing the scandal.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/06/20/news/state/39-mccain.txt
 
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