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Disagreeable

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These are "Iraqis" killing "Iraqis". The government is not in control. There is a civil war. Link below; my emphasis.

Masked Shiite gunmen stopped cars in western Baghdad, grabbing people from the street and separating Sunni Arabs from the rest, killing at least 37 people, police said, in a dramatic escalation of sectarian violence in the country.
The attack in the dangerous Jihad neighborhood was apparently in retaliation for the car bombing the night before of a local Shiite mosque that left two dead
Police Lt. Maitham Abdul-Razzaq said 37 bodies were taken to hospitals and police were searching for more victims reportedly left dumped in the streets. He also said U.S. and Iraqi forces had sealed off the area.
Deputy Prime Minister Salam Zikam Ali al-Zubaie, a Sunni, called the attack "a real and ugly massacre," and threw responsibility on Iraqi security forces that are widely believed to have been infiltrated by Shiite militias blamed for the surge in recent sectarian attacks.
"There are officers who instead of being in charge should be questioned and referred to judicial authorities," al-Zubaie told Al-Jazeera TV. "Jihad is witnessing a catastrophic crime."


More at the link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13751314/
 

kolanuraven

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The point is that they are " eating" their own!!!! These people no more want democracy than a frog wants wings!!!

Their tribal roots run WAY too deep....there are some things on this earth that the US/democracy/intervention just can't make better or change.

Change has to come from within....no from exterior forces.
 

RoperAB

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kolanuraven said:
The point is that they are " eating" their own!!!! These people no more want democracy than a frog wants wings!!!

Their tribal roots run WAY too deep....there are some things on this earth that the US/democracy/intervention just can't make better or change.

Change has to come from within....no from exterior forces.

Well then kill the whole works of them.
 

kolanuraven

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I've always said that the troops should surround the borders of Iraq. I mean let NO ONE in or out for that fact. I mean seal'er up shut!

Let'em fight it out....and THEN and only THEN, when the dust has settled, talk with whomever is left standing!!!

Keep our folks out of the way and let nature takes it's course....survival of the fittest!! A ture Darwin style approach !!!
 
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kolanuraven said:
I've always said that the troops should surround the borders of Iraq. I mean let NO ONE in or out for that fact. I mean seal'er up shut!

We can't even do that with our southern border protecting our own US citizens :wink: :roll: :lol:
 

Disagreeable

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kolanuraven said:
I've always said that the troops should surround the borders of Iraq. I mean let NO ONE in or out for that fact. I mean seal'er up shut!

Let'em fight it out....and THEN and only THEN, when the dust has settled, talk with whomever is left standing!!!

Keep our folks out of the way and let nature takes it's course....survival of the fittest!! A ture Darwin style approach !!!

If the Bush Bunch had sent enough troops to start with to seal the borders and secure weapons dumps, things might be different now. But they didn't. One more time: they ignored the advice of professional soldiers and went in light, undermanned, no armored vehicles. And we're paying the price three years later. The Iraqi people are paying an even higher price.
 

Disagreeable

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Oldtimer said:
kolanuraven said:
I've always said that the troops should surround the borders of Iraq. I mean let NO ONE in or out for that fact. I mean seal'er up shut!

We can't even do that with our southern border protecting our own US citizens :wink: :roll: :lol:

If they'd simply enforce the laws on the books and prosecute those who knowingly hire illegals, I think the influx of illegals would at least slow down.
 
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Disagreeable said:
Oldtimer said:
kolanuraven said:
I've always said that the troops should surround the borders of Iraq. I mean let NO ONE in or out for that fact. I mean seal'er up shut!

We can't even do that with our southern border protecting our own US citizens :wink: :roll: :lol:

If they'd simply enforce the laws on the books and prosecute those who knowingly hire illegals, I think the influx of illegals would at least slow down.

Dis-- I will agree with you there- but they haven't for the last 15-20 years- thru several administrations...Another case of allowing the corporate world and the rich slide under the law....

If these Mexican elections bring the chaos that could occur in Mexico- we may have to bring home the troops to keep the resulting revolution from pouring over into our own country.....
 

nonothing

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memanpa said:
Disagreeable said:
memanpa said:
and your point IS?

What kolanuraven said.

relying on someone elses statements again, some how just what i ecpected :D never an original thought from you


dis,I think you have a stalker...and a very out to lunch one at that....

I think maybe the wrong country was Invaded...Maybe taking out Iran would of been more effective....

If this gets like yugoslavia....and one group starts to ethnic cleanse.....that whole part of the world will be fighting each other....I think KOL maybe have a good idea.....gaurd the borders and let the people from Iraq work it out......The only way this can end and not keep going is for a peaceful solution by the people of Iraq.....The USA can only protect now they cant decide Iraq's future....My biggest question is why still so much support for Sadam's ways inside that country....Is it truely just a stance on religion?....... Or is there to much outside influence from its nieghbors.....
 

memanpa

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"dis,I think you have a stalker...and a very out to lunch one at that...."


nope not a stalker at all and very definatly not out to lunch, but nice try anyway :D

but you are right i probabally have been on DIS's case too hard, as close to edge as DIS is i do not want to be the one to push her over the cliff, so i will slip off into night for a while and let her mind rest

enjoy the piece and quiet as long as you can :D :D
 

RoperAB

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Nonothing Saddam did not believe in God. This fighting has nothing to do with Saddam. They are fighting about who will fill the power vacumn when the Americans leave. They are counting on the Americans loosing the war on the other front at home and having to pull out early before the job is done. This inspires the enemy to fight.
I honestly think the majority of Iraq citizens want democracy. If they didnt they would not have risked their lives to vote.
You have to remember that all you hear about in Iraq is about the bad news. Remember Bakuba? Off Course you dont. That is where Abu Musab al Zarqawi, one of the most brutal terrorists in history, was tracked down and killed by Joint Task Force 145.
Do you remember Tikrit? I doubt it because thats where the Americans captured Saddam Hussien. Again thats a good news story.
Do you remember Haditha or Abu Gharib. You should because its all the media wants to talk about :(
 

nonothing

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memanpa said:
"dis,I think you have a stalker...and a very out to lunch one at that...."


nope not a stalker at all and very definatly not out to lunch, but nice try anyway :D

but you are right i probabally have been on DIS's case too hard, as close to edge as DIS is i do not want to be the one to push her over the cliff, so i will slip off into night for a while and let her mind rest

enjoy the piece and quiet as long as you can :D :D


At least your a stand up person...
 

Econ101

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The real question about Iraq for me was not whether or not we should have gone into Iraq, but how competently we did it.

Bush didn't listen to the military pros and pushed his own agenda of less troops after the war. He didn't use the mandate Congress gave him for war to build to coalition stronger, he used it to take short cuts. Rumsfield is a great Sec. of Defense but no Sec. of State. Howard Baker was allowed to do a jam up good job in Gulf War I but Powell's position turned out to be a waterboy for whatever the "Decider" wanted, regardless of the facts or consequences.

Unfortunately the war policy, as in agriculture policy, the blame is being shifted from those who should have the responsibility and have been incompetent in its use.

The argument in my mind is not whether or not Saddam should have been taken out, but the efficiency and competency of the actions taken to remove him. This might end up costing an estimated 2 trillion dollars when all is said and done the way we are doing it. It should have been a lot cheaper than that. Halliburton stock went up from $9.00 per share to over $73.00 per share. Much of this is a result of oil skyrocketing, but the war, arguably was a part of that process (Halliburton fracs oil formations for the industry among other things).

The military did a great job. The politicians making the decisions did not. Blame it on poor intelligence, but intelligence seems to be taking a backseat to loyalty in this administration. That is a recipe for disaster.
 

Cal

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Disagreeable said:
kolanuraven said:
I've always said that the troops should surround the borders of Iraq. I mean let NO ONE in or out for that fact. I mean seal'er up shut!

Let'em fight it out....and THEN and only THEN, when the dust has settled, talk with whomever is left standing!!!

Keep our folks out of the way and let nature takes it's course....survival of the fittest!! A ture Darwin style approach !!!

If the Bush Bunch had sent enough troops to start with to seal the borders and secure weapons dumps, things might be different now. But they didn't. One more time: they ignored the advice of professional soldiers and went in light, undermanned, no armored vehicles. And we're paying the price three years later. The Iraqi people are paying an even higher price.
GASP!! You mean there were chemical weapons laying around?? But I thought the inspectors didn't find any, and they were so old and everything... so that everything was peachy.
 

memanpa

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nonothing said:
memanpa said:
"dis,I think you have a stalker...and a very out to lunch one at that...."


nope not a stalker at all and very definatly not out to lunch, but nice try anyway :D

but you are right i probabally have been on DIS's case too hard, as close to edge as DIS is i do not want to be the one to push her over the cliff, so i will slip off into night for a while and let her mind rest

enjoy the piece and quiet as long as you can :D :D


At least your a stand up person...


DO NOT START THAT RUMOR AGAIN!~
I just feel she is so far to the left ,any nudge will cause her to collapse
 

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