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These people are sick...

hypocritexposer

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Why does the taxpayer continue to fund these murders?

Florida legislators considering a bill to require abortionists to provide medical care to an infant who survives an abortion were shocked during a committee hearing this week when a Planned Parenthood official endorsed a right to post-birth abortion.

Alisa LaPolt Snow, the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, testified that her organization believes the decision to kill an infant who survives a failed abortion should be left up to the woman seeking an abortion and her abortion doctor.

"So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief," said Rep. Jim Boyd. "If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”

"We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician," said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.

Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, "What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”

"I do not have that information," Snow replied. "I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”

Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, "You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”

Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.”

“I think that at that point the patient would be the child struggling on the table, wouldn’t you agree?” asked Oliva.

"That’s a very good question. I really don’t know how to answer that," Snow said. "I would be glad to have some more conversations with you about this.”

Later another representative asked Snow, “What objection could you possibly have to obligate a doctor to transport a child born alive to a hospital where it seems to me they would be most likely to be able to survive?”

Snow said Planned Parenthood was concerned about "those situations where it is in a rural health care setting, the hospital is 45 minutes or an hour away, that’s the closest trauma center or emergency room. You know there’s just some logistical issues involved that we have some concerns about.”

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEv1afKaLhA&feature=player_embedded
 
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Anonymous

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Why does a supposed to be anonymous Canuck worry so much about whats happening 2,000 miles away in a foreign country-- when the same thing is happening in their own country :???:

Or are you really the Canuck you claim to be?

Abortions in Canada are provided on request and funded by Medicare, to Canadian citizens and permanent residents (as with most medical procedures) in hospitals across the country. Abortion funding for hospitals comes from the various provincial governments (their overall health expenses are however paid for in part by the federal government). One-third of hospitals perform abortions, and these perform two-thirds of abortions in the country. The remaining abortions are performed by public and private-for-profit clinics.
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the Canada Health Act has been interpreted by the federal government as requiring provinces to fund abortion clinics fully,

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Canada is one of only a few nations with no legal restrictions on abortion
 

hypocritexposer

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this thread is discussing killing babies, after they are born alive.

Murders you seem to support.

I wonder if there is any pain, when they shove the scissors in their necks, to sever the spinal cords.

And it doesn't matter what country it happens in. It's sick and it's murder.
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Why does a supposed to be anonymous Canuck worry so much about whats happening 2,000 miles away in a foreign country-- when the same thing is happening in their own country :???:

Or are you really the Canuck you claim to be?

Abortions in Canada are provided on request and funded by Medicare, to Canadian citizens and permanent residents (as with most medical procedures) in hospitals across the country. Abortion funding for hospitals comes from the various provincial governments (their overall health expenses are however paid for in part by the federal government). One-third of hospitals perform abortions, and these perform two-thirds of abortions in the country. The remaining abortions are performed by public and private-for-profit clinics.
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the Canada Health Act has been interpreted by the federal government as requiring provinces to fund abortion clinics fully,

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Canada is one of only a few nations with no legal restrictions on abortion

It's called the WORLD WIDE WEB numbnut, anyone can participate despite your efforts to silence those whose opinions you don't like.

Old Mr. Live & Let Live. Yeah right. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Mike said:
Why is OT so possessed with hate towards Canadians?

I must have struck a nerve. He doesn't like it when someone brings up his support of killing babies.

A guy like him should have to sit through that ongoing trial of the abortionist and listen to the descriptions off what he did to those kids.

30 years the guy was killing infants and the government knew nothing about it :???:

These abortionists get billions of dollars of taxpayer money and there is no oversight. Amazing
 

Broke Cowboy

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I believe if more people actually watched what happened in "partial birth abortions" they would change their minds very quickly - not a pretty sight.

I often wonder how any "doctor" who has sworn to "do no harm" can actually do this in a regular basis and still look at him/herself in the mirror.

As for OT - he has an aversion to the truth - he lives by attack, deflect, divert and if necessary lie. Also not a pretty sight.

BC
 

redrobin

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What is putrid and rancid and disgusting to me is OT claims to be a "rancher" and supposedly has the insight that we all have when it comes to saving a stupid calf in the middle of the night where we give our best effort to keep the calf alive and now sits in his fat mans chair saying that in the case of a botched abortion or as I would like to call it a successful abortion where the baby lives we should kill the baby????? He's not what I call a rancher!
 

Steve

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Why would a liberal be offended by the thought of post abortion babies being killed when they voted for a man who supported the same concept..

while the wording may be different the result is the same..

The 2001 and 2002 measures included a controversial line that proved to be a sticking point. It said, “A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.”

Obama took issue with that part of the bill, saying it could interfere with a woman’s right to an abortion, as established through the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. Here is an excerpt of his remarks from the 2001 floor debate:

“Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a child, a nine-month-old child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.”

llinois lawmakers voted down identical versions of the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act in 2001 and 2002 before a new iteration of the bill came before the Senate’s Health and Human Services Committee, headed by Obama. This new legislation removed the controversial line about recognizing live-born children as humans and giving them immediate protection under the law. It also addressed Obama’s concern about previable fetuses, adding a “neutrality clause” that said the measure would not affect the legal status of fetuses prior to delivery.

Nonetheless, Obama voted against the new bill, which happened to be an almost exact replica — almost to the word — of a federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act that passed in 2002 without opposition in either politial party. (Updated: The vote in the House was by voice vote and the vote in the Senate was by unanimous consent.)

Obama swore during the 2008 election that he would have supported the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, prompting the National Right to Life Committee to issue a scathing white paper that pointed out how he had contradicted himself by voting against the Illinois measure while backing the older federal version in retrospect during his presidential campaign.

It must take one sick individual to not want to save a baby born alive, despite efforts to kill it..
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
this thread is discussing killing babies, after they are born alive.

Murders you seem to support.

I wonder if there is any pain, when they shove the scissors in their necks, to sever the spinal cords.

And it doesn't matter what country it happens in. It's sick and it's murder.

So are you saying they do unlimited abortions in Canada- but they don't kill any babies doing it... :???:
Why aren't you out chastising the politicians of your own country for doing this?

From what I know that came from your former accusers of your actions-- I believe more and more that you aren't even a Canadian...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
this thread is discussing killing babies, after they are born alive.

Murders you seem to support.

I wonder if there is any pain, when they shove the scissors in their necks, to sever the spinal cords.

And it doesn't matter what country it happens in. It's sick and it's murder.

Why aren't you out chastising the politicians of your own country for doing this?

How do you know he's not? Didn't see it on C-Span?
 

Larrry

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I can not see how one guy can be so callous against babies. A guy like that is so warped in his thinking. I think calling him a scrote is way to kind.
 

hypocritexposer

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after a baby is born, it is deemed a human, in Canada. It would be illegal to not offer that human medical attention to keep it living.

Unfortunately, in Canada, a person is not considered a human sooner.

Section 223(1) of Canada’s Criminal Code:
223. (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not
(a) it has breathed;
(b) it has an independent circulation; or
(c) the navel string is severed.


as for your other accusations OT...you're blowing smoke the same as you always do.
 

hypocritexposer

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a little more on Canada's "unlimited abortions"

According to the National Abortion Federation (NAF), a professional association representing abortion providers in North America, abortion services are available in Ontario up to 24 weeks’ gestation and are covered by the province’s health plan regardless of whether they’re performed in a hospital or a clinic. Fully funded abortions are available in Quebec up to 23 weeks’ gestation, while the same is true up to 20 weeks’ gestation in Alberta. British Columbia offers abortions up to 20 weeks’ gestation and covers all costs except medications. Saskatchewan provides abortion services up to 14 weeks’ gestation and covers the cost of abortions performed in hospital. According to the NAF, there are no clinics in the province but the government will pay for women to obtain abortions at two clinics in Alberta.

Manitoba funds abortions up to 16 weeks’ gestation, Newfoundland and Labrador up to 15 weeks’ gestation and Nova Scotia up to 15 weeks’ based on ultrasound results. New Brunswick covers abortions at hospitals up to 16 weeks but women need permission from two doctors in order to proceed. There are no abortion clinics in Prince Edward Island but the province will fund abortions done in hospital up to about 15 weeks’ gestation if a woman can obtain a referral from a doctor. Nunavut and the Yukon offer and fund abortions up to 12 weeks’ gestation, the Northwest Territories, up to 14 weeks. The Yukon and Northwest Territories will cover the cost to send women out of the region for later-term abortions.


According to the Canadian Institute for Health Information, in 2010-2011 there were another 119 babies born alive following an abortion performed at a Canadian hospital after 20 weeks’ gestation; they died shortly after. The 2012 Canadian Coding Standards used by the organization suggest the decision to abort later term is often due to a major anomaly. It offers several examples including that of a mother who seeks an abortion at 23 weeks’ gestation after learning the fetus suffered from anencephaly, or the lack of a brain. In the example, the baby survived for an hour. Other common reasons for a late abortion, according to doctors, are chromosomal abnormalities such as Down syndrome or cardiac defects that are “incompatible with life.” A late abortion might also be sought if the pregnancy has put the mother’s life at risk. B.C. physician Beth Taylor, however, said patients in her province seeking abortions beyond 24 weeks’ gestation are referred to specialists in the United States.

Dr. Warren Hern, a so-called “late-term abortion specialist” based in Boulder, Colo., said he sees several dozen Canadian patients a year. He has no “upper limit” in terms of how late he will perform an abortion but says he has never, in more than 30 years, aborted a live baby.

Abortion in Canada: breaking down the law, policies and practices

By Tobi Cohen, Postmedia News March 28, 2013

http://www.canada.com/news/Abortion+Canada+breaking+down+policies+practices/8165658/story.html
 

hypocritexposer

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OT, did you know that the number of "unlimited abortions", in Canada is actually dropping?


111,526 in 1997 to 64,641 in 2010.
http://www80.statcan.gc.ca/wes-esw/page1-eng.htm
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
this thread is discussing killing babies, after they are born alive.

Murders you seem to support.

I wonder if there is any pain, when they shove the scissors in their necks, to sever the spinal cords.

And it doesn't matter what country it happens in. It's sick and it's murder.

So are you saying they do unlimited abortions in Canada- but they don't kill any babies doing it... :???:
Why aren't you out chastising the politicians of your own country for doing this?

From what I know that came from your former accusers of your actions-- I believe more and more that you aren't even a Canadian...

NO idiot, he's saying that even during an abortion, if the baby actually is completely removed and is still alive, the abortion is ABORTED and treatment begins for the newborn immediately.
 

Whitewing

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hypocritexposer said:
a little more on Canada's "unlimited abortions"

According to the National Abortion Federation (NAF), a professional association representing abortion providers in North America, abortion services are available in Ontario up to 24 weeks’ gestation and are covered by the province’s health plan regardless of whether they’re performed in a hospital or a clinic. Fully funded abortions are available in Quebec up to 23 weeks’ gestation, while the same is true up to 20 weeks’ gestation in Alberta. British Columbia offers abortions up to 20 weeks’ gestation and covers all costs except medications. Saskatchewan provides abortion services up to 14 weeks’ gestation and covers the cost of abortions performed in hospital. According to the NAF, there are no clinics in the province but the government will pay for women to obtain abortions at two clinics in Alberta.

Manitoba funds abortions up to 16 weeks’ gestation, Newfoundland and Labrador up to 15 weeks’ gestation and Nova Scotia up to 15 weeks’ based on ultrasound results. New Brunswick covers abortions at hospitals up to 16 weeks but women need permission from two doctors in order to proceed. There are no abortion clinics in Prince Edward Island but the province will fund abortions done in hospital up to about 15 weeks’ gestation if a woman can obtain a referral from a doctor. Nunavut and the Yukon offer and fund abortions up to 12 weeks’ gestation, the Northwest Territories, up to 14 weeks. The Yukon and Northwest Territories will cover the cost to send women out of the region for later-term abortions.


According to the Canadian Institute for Health Information, in 2010-2011 there were another 119 babies born alive following an abortion performed at a Canadian hospital after 20 weeks’ gestation; they died shortly after. The 2012 Canadian Coding Standards used by the organization suggest the decision to abort later term is often due to a major anomaly. It offers several examples including that of a mother who seeks an abortion at 23 weeks’ gestation after learning the fetus suffered from anencephaly, or the lack of a brain. In the example, the baby survived for an hour. Other common reasons for a late abortion, according to doctors, are chromosomal abnormalities such as Down syndrome or cardiac defects that are “incompatible with life.” A late abortion might also be sought if the pregnancy has put the mother’s life at risk. B.C. physician Beth Taylor, however, said patients in her province seeking abortions beyond 24 weeks’ gestation are referred to specialists in the United States.

Dr. Warren Hern, a so-called “late-term abortion specialist” based in Boulder, Colo., said he sees several dozen Canadian patients a year. He has no “upper limit” in terms of how late he will perform an abortion but says he has never, in more than 30 years, aborted a live baby.

Abortion in Canada: breaking down the law, policies and practices

By Tobi Cohen, Postmedia News March 28, 2013

http://www.canada.com/news/Abortion+Canada+breaking+down+policies+practices/8165658/story.html

Wow, sounds like OT was talking out of his ass again. Who could have guessed? :???: :???: :???:
 
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