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Disagreeable

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I'm afraid as support for the war falls off, so will support for the troops. If you're old enough to remember Vietnam, you remember our troops being blamed instead of their leaders. I hate to see that happen in Iraq, but think it may be coming. I'll do my best to keep the blame where it belongs, in the Oval Office.
 
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Disagreeable said:
I'm afraid as support for the war falls off, so will support for the troops. If you're old enough to remember Vietnam, you remember our troops being blamed instead of their leaders. I hate to see that happen in Iraq, but think it may be coming. I'll do my best to keep the blame where it belongs, in the Oval Office.
Many of us remember that, dis. And we don't forget the protesters that were guilty of doing that, either. But you don't see the rest of us currently supporting the liberal hippies that were leaders of the anti-war protests during Vietnam. Liberal hippies such as Bill and Hillary.

I feel sure that I've never voted for anybody that has spit on a soldier or called him a baby killer. Can you say that?
 

Disagreeable

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Disagreeable said:
I'm afraid as support for the war falls off, so will support for the troops. If you're old enough to remember Vietnam, you remember our troops being blamed instead of their leaders. I hate to see that happen in Iraq, but think it may be coming. I'll do my best to keep the blame where it belongs, in the Oval Office.
Many of us remember that, dis. And we don't forget the protesters that were guilty of doing that, either. But you don't see the rest of us currently supporting the liberal hippies that were leaders of the anti-war protests during Vietnam. Liberal hippies such as Bill and Hillary.

I feel sure that I've never voted for anybody that has spit on a soldier or called him a baby killer. Can you say that?

I'm sure that I never voted for anyone like that. But, I'm sorry to say that I did support the Vietnam war. I believed our elected officials who told us we had to prop up that domino or Communism would sweep through the world. I think they believed it. I don't think for a minute that George W. Bush believed Saddam was a threat to this country. Can you, at least, admit the incompetents running our government didn't have a plan for after Saddam fell?

And, by the way, those "liberal hippies" were right about Vietnam. Think of the thousands of young men who gave their lives for absolutely nothing. Vietnam has a Communist government today. I think we have full diplomatic relations with them.
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
Think of the thousands of young men who gave their lives for absolutely nothing.
Here's another difference between you and me, I believe they gave their life answering the call of their country...brave in my book.
 

CattleRMe

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Red Robin said:
Disagreeable said:
Think of the thousands of young men who gave their lives for absolutely nothing.
Here's another difference between you and me, I believe they gave their life answering the call of their country...brave in my book.


Fighting for something they believe in............
 

Disagreeable

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They're still dead. They're not available to actually defend this country if we need them. Their children are still orphans. Their mothers won't be able to see their face this Sunday. And for what? There were no WMDs. Saddam was not a threat to this country. It was all a big lie. :(
 
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Anonymous

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Disagreeable said:
Can you, at least, admit the incompetents running our government didn't have a plan for after Saddam fell?
Good morning, dis. :D Thank you for your patience. Sorry that I couldn't get back with you sooner.

I don't like to ignore your questions because I feel like this forum is the most rational internet experience you have during your days. I know your internet time is normally filled with contacts with anti-establishment and anti-war liberal hippies. You would be better served by associating more with your conservative agrarian neighbors and less with those hippie types. But at least I know that you don't wear beads and flowers and sit around smoking pot all day. That's why I'm eager to try to help you. :lol:

In this case however, I can't even answer your question as written because of the opinion you have interjected into it. I disagree about having "incompetents running our government". But if you'll allow me to edit and take that part out, I would honestly have to say that surely we had a plan for the aftermath of war. But I wasn't in on all of that planning, so I couldn't say for sure what it is. You would find fault with it no matter what the plan is. I think we can be certain of that.

I can't be sure if the plan recognized ALL of the possible problems. Probably not. It doesn't seem as though it could have. Obviously, things could be going much better. I will underline that for you, because I have no problem admitting that. But the hate-Bush liberals wouldn't even be satisfied with perfection. And we'll never have that. We don't even have that here after 200+ years.

And, by the way, those "liberal hippies" were right about Vietnam. Think of the thousands of young men who gave their lives for absolutely nothing. Vietnam has a Communist government today. I think we have full diplomatic relations with them.
I'm of the opinion that the "liberal hippies" were right about Vietnam because they swayed public opinion to the point that the US did the 'cut and run' maneuver. The same maneuver that you want us to do now with Iraq.

I know that you were intimately involved with the Vietnam war in the final years and probably have a different, or even better perspective on that than I do. But I think that our 'cut and run' policy is the thing that made it such a waste....all of the lives lost for "absolutely nothing" as you put it. Just cut and run. At the time you probably agreed with me.

Although some here might not believe it, I KNOW that you are really concerned about our service people. But wouldn't it be a 'waste' of their sacrifices if we pulled out of Iraq without achieving our goals? Would that not make it a 'waste' similar to Vietnam?
 

Disagreeable

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For years we were told that to pull out of Vietnam would mean those who died had died in vain. So we stayed, thousands of young Americans died, our entire culture changed, our Army went to all volunteer, it was a moment in time for our country. Two years after we withdrew troops from Vietnam, turning to Vietnamese to protect and defend the country, the North Vietnamese sliced through the Army "trained" by US like a hot knife through butter. We were left pushing aircraft off ships so we could airlift people from our embassy. If you haven't seen the films of those days, you're missing a low point in our history. Today Vietnam has a Communist government. We have full trade relations with them.

I see no difference in Iraq. We've been "training" their military and police for two years. At a recent graduation ceremony for Iraqi police, some of the "trained" policemen took off their uniforms, threw down their guns and quit. They had just discovered they'd have to move to another region of the country to work and they refused to do it. So we'll start all over again, recruit candidates to replace them, spend billions training, and maybe, just maybe, they'll stand and defend their city or state.

If you think the Bush Bunch had a plan, you're not paying attention. The first General in charge of training the Iraqi military and police is on record as saying he was surprised to be contacted after Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech to go to Iraq and start that training. And he had to start from scratch. There was no plan in place to protect the Iraqi people from thugs, kidnappers, crooks, insurgents.

It's so sad after all these years you're blaming the "liberal hippies" for our failure in Vietnam. We tried to push our lifestyle on people who didn't want it. Same in Iraq. Vietnam was never important to the safety and security of the United States. In spite of Bush's efforts to claim that Iraq was a threat to this country, more and more people are realizing it's not true.

No. Another dead American doesn't honor the already dead Americans. It only means another orphan, weeping parents, lonely wives. Our soldiers have toppled Saddam. They're not trained for nation building. They've done their job; it's time to bring them home with the honor they deserve. If the Iraqis want to kill each other, let them. If they want to come together and build a country, let them. We can give them diplomatic support and assistance. More than one General is on record as saying they think the presence of American troops fuels the insurgents.
 

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