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[Steve]

Dennis Scranton: "I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated. Call Wyoming for display instructions.""

it wasn't even a tea party person who said it, it was just on his facebook site..

OT I again am really disappointed in you.. you never seem to get past the fact that one self appointed jackass's friend said something stupid,, so you blame it on over 6 million decent people ..

about 20% of the US citizens claim to be part of the Tea Party..

how can you smear over six million people?

I guess you can explain it to Jesus someday why you not only screwed up the ninth.. but also had a bit of a problem by dragging his name into an argument and using it to justify your action..

Dennis Scranton: "I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated. Call Wyoming for display instructions."


Tim Ravndal: "@Kieth, OOPS I forgot this aint America no more! @Dennis, Where can I get that Wyoming printed instruction manual?"

And Steve- I am disappointed in you trying to protect and make excuses for someone of this type...Its very clear he knew what he was talking about.. And it was in print on FB where everyone saw it- and the reason he wasn't able to deny it.... Not only a bigot and hate monger--but a dumb one at that!!!

you must be drunk.. calling the guy a self appointed jackass... isn't making excuses for him..

saying his friend said something stupid and he said something even stupider isn't making excuse for him..

saying you haven't been involved with the associations is a lame excuse.. it is clear.. your a racist.. just admit it and deal with your hatred..

 

[hypocritexposer]

Haven't been involved with either association for over a dozen years...

should I look deeper?

I am sure I could find a group that connects you two directly..

after all he is linked to well over a hundred groups..

are they all racist?

no.. are they all jerks no..

the fact is.. he is a jerk.. and you are a jerk..

your both jerks.

is that so hard to understand..

I have no respect for either one of you,, none..

is that enough repudiation.. I will not stoop to blaming all of Montana for you two jerks..

but it is clear "you two have alot more in common, then he does to the 6 million tea party folk you insulted..

they deserve an apology from you.. and if you had one shred of decency you would apologize.

He doesn't apologize for smearing people and when you bring up the false accusations he just ignore you.

WWJD :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Well Steve- whatever...But he and several others that have been chosen as Tea Party leaders in MT (and around the country) have definitely left a less than impressive view of the group in my mind and many other folks I know...

And they have already went way past what they claimed was going to be their only issue- taxes/spending-- (Taxed Enough Already)-- and seem to have taken on a radical right social/political agenda- following in the footsteps of the 2008 fundamentalist church folks that split the Repub party in two..

 

[Steve]

I am disappointed in you trying to protect and make excuses for someone of this type.

who is making excuses.. he is a jerk.. anyone who is linked to him is a jerk.. As I said they dealt with thisself appointed jerk as they should have..

by your view. anyone linked to him should be ashamed... and is guilty of what he is guilty of.. well pull up your britches,

.. it gets worse..

I checked on the jerk you mentioned ..

. seems he is involved with a sheriffs association.. and a few others..

Montana Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association

Non-Profit Organization

Montana Stockgrowers Association

Non-Profit Organization

I didn't go through all of the groups he belongs to it is a long list. well over a hundred.

but.. then I wasn't trying to link him directly to you..

are all these groups racist as well?

well.. if guilt by loose association is how you smeared the tea party..

how is it now?

care to apologize to the 6 million folk you smeared now that the boot is on the other foot.. ?

how could you have a member such as him in your organizations.. why didn't you disavow him long ago?

maybe you should check his list on facebook, it would be a good start of some groups you can cancel your membership from..

and give you more groups to smear..

 

[Steve]

Well Steve- whatever...But he and several others that have been chosen as Tea Party leaders in MT (and around the country) have definitely left a less than impressive view of the group in my mind and many other folks I know...

And they have already went way past what they claimed was going to be their only issue- taxes/spending-- (Taxed Enough Already)-- and seem to have taken on a radical right social/political agenda- following in the footsteps of the 2008 fundamentalist church folks that split the Repub party in two..

one person.. out of six million.. think about that just for a second.. you smeared 6 million decent people.

ever hear the words.. stereotype? prejudice? bigot?

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

well they are words used to describe a person who thinks if one acts that way then all most be like that.. one who pre-judges another group and sadly one who blames the actions of a few on the whole group.. and has an unfounded hatred of the whole group..

the words fit you both.. in different ways.. but they all fit you.. and the guy you seem to despise..

do you hate him because he is a jackass... or because he belonged to the Tea Party..

no one will know.,. because you spew hatred towards both equally.

stereotype? prejudice? bigot? they all fit you and your actions and words toward the 6 million good decent people who claim to belong to the Tea Party..

It doesn't matter which group you target.. a bigot is a bigot..

and you have acted like a bigot..


if I judged Montana on you.. what impression should I have?

 

[hopalong]

Nicely said Steve, states what 95% of the people in this forum feel about oldtimer.

 

[Anonymous]

Steve- its just not "one" person being associated with the group- its several of questionable backgrounds... And I'd agree if it was just being associated with or a member of- but these folks have been elevated to leadership positions...

And with the Tea Party now forgetting about just being an anti-tax/pro spending cut advocates as they claimed they originated for and now moving into all realms of social and political advocacy-- they have became the right wing radical extremists of the Republican party much the same as the Dems have the radical left wing extremists of the Socialists and Communists...
Even further right than the John Birchers...

To me extremists at both ends of the spectrum are very dangerous to the country......

 

[Mike]

The "Left" is just pizzed because the country is, for once in my lifetime, leaning more to the "Right". :lol: :lol: (Except for the black thugs that OT aligns with.)

Why argue with an old fool that drags out anomaly after anomaly in order to try and prove a useless point?

The country as a whole is seeing that going back to the "Jefferson" model is the only way to save us.

 

[Larrry]

maybe I should assume that all Montanans are drunks, that aren't smart enough to change their diapers, LIE all the time, and set at the computer all day(unless they are at the bar), and used the county jail to spank their monkey.

 

[hopalong]

And obama's association with Ayers, and the Rev WILLIAM WRIGHT is ok because he is your sweetie??? Good stereotype and being a real BIGOT.
Do as I say not as I do, is that right oldtimer? EH :roll: talkabout being a hypocritical a$$ you fit it to a "T" talking out of both sides of you mouth!!
OH by the way obama is as high in government as you can get and look who he aligned himself with!!!!!

Your explanation is eagerly waited for, as you try to rationalize this!!!!
EH???>
OH VEY??? busted again

 

[okfarmer]

tick, tick, tick, tick..... still waiting........

Go back and read thru this entire thread- some of the articles I posted are in it:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46960&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=beckman&start=0

Not only have some of the MT Tea Party folks done what the Tea Party folks on here claim they don't do-- meddle in other peoples private lives-- but they have been prominently promoting hate issues- and openly suggesting assaulting and murdering gay individuals...

I spent 30 years in law enforcement- and some of the names showing up as the leadership/spokespersons for some of the MT Tea Party's are the same folks we investigated for years, convicted some, and imprisoned some that were members of cults, white supremacy, hate, and anti Tax groups that operated thru murder, assault, intimidation, bank robbery, and in my belief the worst- fraud/theft by using some of their own neighbors and friends that were good folks (but made gullible because they had fallen on hard times)....

They haven't changed... They still have the same hate filled anti government anarchist agendas--- but are now cloaking themselves behind a different name...

Still wolves in sheeps clothing.....

And its the radical right groups that enpower these groups like those described in the original article to exist... They feed upon each other...

So I take it you all agree with hate groups like that- since no one has spoken out disagreeing with them :???:

sorry I was not able to respond quicker. I was having to be productive.... someone has to be pay for the lack of financial responsibility in this country.

In response to your answer- No, I will not go back and read a bunch of BS you have posted. This is a current discussion, and if you want to use something from the past, go for it. Pull out the factual information snipits and we can follow the line of reasoning to its logical conclusion and see where it ends. If you cannot make concise, direct arguments that are factual to back up your statements, then don't be making off the cuff statements.

And yes, I do hate people of other races. That is why I married a girl of multiple races. It helps disguise my disgust for them while I undermine them. :roll: I have been able to brain wash her into joining the Tea Party and hating the sumbitches as well.

You know good and well that the Tea Party does not condone hate, but that some groups (like the black panthers) may try to align themselves.

Do you support the black panthers? They support Obama and so do you. So you must be a black supremacist. See how that works- whacko- your line of thinking.

I'm glad you mentioned law enforcement:

I can't believe you would admit to being a part of this Hate group you whacko!

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/mstevens/205/205lect06.htm
SEXISM & RACISM IN LAW ENFORCEMENT

POLICING is the 2nd most sexist organization in the world.

HOW IS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM RACIST?
http://www.defendingjustice.org/pdfs/factsheets/10-Fact%20Sheet%20-%20System%20as%20Racist.pdf

People of color face harsher treatment in court.
• Native people are disproportionately imprisoned compared to their population size. This is most evident in the
Plains. For example, in Montana, 16% of prisoners are American Indians, even though they constitute just 6% of
the state's population. In North Dakota, American Indians are 5% of the state's total population, but are 19% of
the prison population.
1

http://racismdaily.com/2011/06/28/natives-targeted-most-for-hate-crimes-says-chairman-of-reno-sparks-indian-colony/

Lisa said one of the attackers taunted the family as the sirens approached, telling them, "You hear those cops coming? They're not going to help you. My daddy is a cop in this town, and nothing is going to happen to me. You f****ing niggers are going to jail."

When the cops arrived, Lisa claims police refused to question them for a statement but gave full attention to the attackers.

Johnny Bonta, bleeding and barely standing after being hit in the knees with a bat, was arrested on the scene and taken to jail. He said he was not allowed medical treatment for six days while he was in the county jail.

The attackers were not charged. Two hours later, they would brag about the attack on Facebook.

"We know from hearings in Montana, New Mexico and South Dakota that hate crimes are continuing to happen against Native Americans, mostly in border towns near our reservations," he said, citing a soon-to-be released report developed by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission that compiled testimony in 2009 about hate crimes from hundreds of Americans Indians.

Hackers expose racism's underbelly: Driving while black, brown or red in Arizona
http://blog.altoarizona.com/blog/2011/07/hackers-expose-racisms-underbelly-driving-while-black-brown-or-red-in-arizona-.html

 

[Steve]

Steve- its just not "one" person being associated with the group- its several of questionable backgrounds... And I'd agree if it was just being associated with or a member of- but these folks have been elevated to leadership positions...

I don't doubt one bit that there are more "self appointed" jackasses pretending to be leaders in the Tea party,.. thre will always be wolves in sheep's clothing. .and they must be rooted out.. but it is such a small portion of the six million.. miniscule in fact..

if I judged my opinion on Montana on you.. I would be wrong... If I judged the entire African American race on the riots and flash mobs.. I would be wrong.. it would be bigotry..

 

[Larrry]

The leftwingers are now worried about exposing the radicals that once in a while infiltrate conservative groups.

But where were they when it came to exposing the numerous radicals surrounding obama. Not only did they not expose them, they excused them.

The leftwingers still don't get it, we don't want nuts around us but yet the left is like a magnet for leftwing extrewmists and then they welcome them with open arms.

 

[Steve]

The leftwingers are now worried about exposing the radicals that once in a while infiltrate conservative groups.

But where were they when it came to exposing the numerous radicals surrounding obama. Not only did they not expose them, they excused them.

The leftwingers still don't get it, we don't want nuts around us but yet the left is like a magnet for leftwing extrewmists and then they welcome them with open arms.

the liberal left do not want to clean their own house, the want to whine when we have to do a bit of cleaning out..

liberals with radicals it's like a bad addition of hoarders.. they got so many worthless pieces of crap in their house, you don't know where to start, and what to throw out first.. but they are clinging to them like they are treasures..

 

[Tam]

Seems Oldtimer is a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to the TEA Party . :roll:

He seems to have no problem voting for a guy that sits in a church listening to a pastor/leader that spews America hating garbage for 20 years, has a domestic terrorist launching his political career in his home with all his friends and has a criminal neighbor giving him an expensive gift of real estate. OH NO Obama is not a America Hating domestic terrorist Criminal but yet the whole TEA party is radical wingnuts because a few members might have radical beliefs. :roll:

GEEZ I wish Oldtimer would realize what a lieing hypocrite he is and would get help or at least stop drinking while posting on the internet and proving to all those who read his posts of the fact. :roll:

 

[hopalong]

bump for a sober response from oldtimer