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Third anniversary

Disagreeable

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Yet today President Bush is on the road telling us how well everything is going in Iraq. Does he think no one is noticing the truth? Link below.

"BAGHDAD (AFP) - Iraq marked the third anniversary of the US-led invasion with a fresh spate of killings, a deadlock over the new government and warnings of civil war as Shiites gathered in the south for a major religious ceremony.

Sixteen people were killed in attacks around the country in a reminder of the endemic violence that has convulsed Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime and jeopardised US plans to install a showcase Arab democracy.

In Baghdad, nine corpses showing signs of torture and gunshot wounds turned up around the city in what has become a daily ritual following the February 22 dynamiting of a Shiite shrine in Samarra that ushered in a wave of sectarian violence."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060320/ts_afp/iraq_060320154706;_ylt=AinBcc7m4SRbr9LzzzHspHBX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
 

BBJ

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How does it feel to wake up every morning and know you are part of the doom and gloom bunch that has nothing to look forward to?

Yeah people are dieing over there, my guess is you've never been in a war huh? PEOPLE DIE.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


:cry: Sorry about that outburst, maybe it's not like that in your world but here in the real world thats a reality.

MOVE ON. :roll:

P.S. Are you jane fonda? :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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You're right BBJ...they're dying EVERY DAY. I talk to " my boys" over there @ the same time EVERYDAY.

I hear first hand now...not thru the media...not thru Ranchers.net....I hear it loud and clear. Maybe if some of you would make a contact with the soldiers...you'd hear it also. You can't blame the media for what you hear from them.

These kids need to come home.....They have done for the Iraqi Army and people over and over...only to do it over and over again.
 

BBJ

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Thanks for the advice kolanuraven, but I do have contact with a Marine that is there now and I work with one that goes back soon, and what I hear from them is that it ain't as bad as the media makes it out to be. I also have contact with a young man that went over there to for the dreaded Haliburton, and he said the same thing. Yeah it's bad and people do die everyday but its like I said, IT'S A WAR ZONE.

Maybe "your boys" that you are inb contact with are against the war and thats why you make contact with them? Just a thought? Or do you also talk to the ones that agree with it?


Oh yeah let me inform you before dis does, your contact with these soldiers is invalid as mine was in another thread, because dis said so. :lol: :cry: :lol: Oh no wait your "soldiers" obviously "disagree" :oops: so it's probably a valid source.
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
How does it feel to wake up every morning and know you are part of the doom and gloom bunch that has nothing to look forward to?

Yeah people are dieing over there, my guess is you've never been in a war huh? PEOPLE DIE.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


:cry: Sorry about that outburst, maybe it's not like that in your world but here in the real world thats a reality.

MOVE ON. :roll:

P.S. Are you jane fonda? :wink:

I wake up every morning happy that I'm an American. An American who has the obligation to refute the lies and misinformation put out by the Bush Bunch.

Yes, people die in wars. But there was no need for the Iraqi war. If you disagree with that, tell me why? President Bush's stated objective for invading Iraq was to destroy Saddam's WMDs. Saddam had no WMDs. GW Bush has been trying to convince the American people this is a legitmate war ever since, but they're catching on that he's a liar and our soldiers are dying for no good reason.
 

BBJ

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I'LL ASK YOU AGAIN!


WHAT ABOUT THESE PEOPLE?
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

You can run but you can't hide :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:p
 

kolanuraven

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WHOA BBJ....I never said that the boys agreed or disagreed...you're putting words in where they don't belong.

I just clicked a few names off of a web site posted here...anysoldier.com...and that is how I got my contacts. I have no 'motive' as you'd like to think. I have the time and $$$$ to support these kids with things they want from home.

We don't discuss politics....that's not the purpose of the contact. All that shite can be slung about here. I just know they are tired of re-doing stuff over and over and over again for the same people who either don't seem to care or want to take ahold of their end of the bargain. You'd get tired of that yourself.

I'm glad you have contact with people in Iraq, I think we all should do that for our sake and theirs.


But DON'T start putting words in where they were not intended just to push your CONSERVATIVE cause. I meant no Liberal Agenda....so don't jump and want to start a fight.
 

BBJ

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Sorry to jump so fast but what exactly were you impling when you said "I hear first hand" & "not thru the media".

You have to admit that implied that you hear how bad it is and no one can say well its because you listen to the liberal media.

Maybe I just toook it wrong because I've pretty much had this arguement with others. :oops:
 

kolanuraven

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I hear first hand how things are NOT working....I don't have to have CNN or FOX or anyone else to tell me. And I hear how a few things ARE working but honestly the NOT outweighs the ARE in the area that I get news from. Plain and simple.

You can make of it what you want, call me whatever you want I don't care but I try to help these kids out so they don't feel so left out from home. Some of these kids have not gotten ANY letters or contact from anyone since Christmas....now how'd you like to be that person, huh???

I hear so many folks here " back up the troops", " we're all for the troops"...etc....and I'm sure some do..and THANKS to you...but others need to put there time and money and postage where their mouth is....facts is facts!!! We sit here and email back and forth...well it'd take the same amount of time to email to Iraq and I assure you that you'd get a lot more out of it than this dribble here.

So brand me a liberal or not.....I feel I'm pulling my part of this load for the troops.
 

BBJ

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Never called you a lib, I applaud what you are doing for our brave men and women. I wish more people would do what you are doing, but I hear things aren't as bad as the media makes them out to be so who's right, me or you?

Hard answer huh? :???: So unless you and I have been there we cannot say. :?

Bottom line is we are there, and we have a job to do. We cannot leave it unfinished.


RIGHT?
 

kolanuraven

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I got 4 CD's of pics today in the mail. I don't want to be there from what I see. You'd not either!

Yes I agree it is a cluster f...k now. I blame that on ego of the administration BUT mostly on lack of planning for the " after" stages as these people have practically since time began been a " ruled" people, they haven't a clue of self rule.

Yes, you must walk before you can run...I understand that...but as the person learning to walk/run...you must put some initiative into yourself.
 

BBJ

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You failed to answer my question...

Bottom line is we are there, and we have a job to do. We cannot leave it unfinished.


RIGHT
?
 

kolanuraven

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Yes I agree it is a cluster f...k now

Can you not read???? Yes we're there now....should have never gone but that's beside the point now..


BUT...let me ask you this. How long do you think we should we keep trying to help out those that don't want help? It's an honest question?
 

Jinglebob

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Funny stevec, but seems to me like Carter didn't use violence with the hostage takers and as soon as they seen Reagan was elected, they turned the hostages loose, because of the threat of violence.

Sugar coat it all you want, but there are some, who the only thing they will ever understand, is violence. And them ol' boys over there have been using just that for thousands of years. Doesn't look like all their preaching from the Quoran is doing much good, does it?

Why don't you slip over there and explain it to them? Better take your bible along. :wink:
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
Yes I agree it is a cluster f...k now

Can you not read???? Yes we're there now....should have never gone but that's beside the point now..


BUT...let me ask you this. How long do you think we should we keep trying to help out those that don't want help? It's an honest question?

Talk about not being able to read. :?

Here's my question again and just to clarify it I'm not asking if it's a cluster f..k, as you put it. Aswer the question with a simplpe yes or no, don't add to it.

Bottom line is we are there, and we have a job to do. We cannot leave it unfinished.


RIGHT?


yes or no?

Answer mine and I'll answer yours! :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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No we won't leave it unfinished.

If we did, as much as I dislike the fact that we ARE there, it might be construed that we can be ' run off'...that alone would be detrimental in a multitude of ways

We'll have to be cleaning up someone elses' mess for yrs to come .
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
No we won't leave it unfinished.

If we did, as much as I dislike the fact that we ARE there, it might be construed that we can be ' run off'...that alone would be detrimental in a multitude of ways

We'll have to be cleaning up someone elses' mess for yrs to come .

So your answer is NO?
 

kolanuraven

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Lordy be....how much plainer can I make it???????....... What's the first 2 letters of the first word of the first sentence!!!!!

But somehow I sense you're gonna be ripping it out of the context of my post.
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
Lordy be....how much plainer can I make it???????....... What's the first 2 letters of the first word of the first sentence!!!!!

But somehow I sense you're gonna be ripping it out of the context of my post.


How much plainer exactly. :lol:

All I wanted was a yes or no.


Simple huh?
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
Never called you a lib, I applaud what you are doing for our brave men and women. I wish more people would do what you are doing, but I hear things aren't as bad as the media makes them out to be so who's right, me or you?

Hard answer huh? :???: So unless you and I have been there we cannot say. :?

Bottom line is we are there, and we have a job to do. We cannot leave it unfinished.


RIGHT?

WRONG. Two wrongs never make a right. We should not have gone into Iraq. We did. Staying, putting our own country in danger because of the ill feelings other countries have for this war, spending our money, the lives of our young people, will not make a speck of difference in the future of Iraq, just as it made no difference in VietNam.

Saddam is gone. If the Iraqis want a democratic country, they must come to terms with each other. With the US supporting one group over the others, it will not happen. The voters in every Iraqi election voted along ethnic and religious lines. They didn't vote for the best candidate for the country; they voted as they were instructed by their religious and tribal leaders. When we're out of there, they'll have to work together or tear the country apart. We can't help that. But we can get our troops out and save lives of Americans, save our dollars, save our military equipment that might be needed somewhere else very quickly, start rebuilding our military forces...
 
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