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This Is What It Takes

theHiredMansWife

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Steve said:
I was simply replying to Faster Horses comment since she didn't seem to know what Tumbleweed was referring to.

Guess if you didn't want everyone responding to a reply directed to FH, you should have PM'd her....... :D :) :) :shock: :? 8) :lol: :p :oops: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink:

Couldn't remember which smiley thing to use for Joking so I put up plenty. :wink:

Actually, I couldn't care less if SW responded or not. Conversations on a message board are fair game for everyone who can read, afterall.
I just wanted to clear up the confusion that I was referring to him. I wasn't. He hadn't even crossed my mind.
But based on the oops following my post, I have to guess he realizes it and it's no big deal now.
 

kolanuraven

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Oh !!!! Steve....hmmmm.......let me guess who'd be FIRST on your 'axe" list........ME and my $600 shoes...you'd send me packing!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Steve

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No,

I might First AX the incomprehensable posts that stop good discussion on the site..........

I try to read most of the discussion, and can't seem to see how some are Helping thier cause.....they either go off to left field,Right field,,,,or attack relentlessly...both seem to hurt how thier message is percieved....



Now that I know you had a crappy old truck, I have found "redeaming" charactoristics in you....and a shoot the bastards mentality, that took it .....plus I do respect others views,,,,,even if I slam some of what they say....


an interesting points about those who seem to never be read at other parts of the site.....

1. it sometimes takes to long to sort thru the Bull on this one....leaving no time to read the others..

2. I often read the others, but do not post...

Photo contest is one, I check it regularly and have voted, but I would only be echoing the praise for the fine photos.
ans at a certian point, it would seem insincere to heap on praise when another has already done so...

I really liked the photo of The Hired Man's wife, "*Mr. Lesser half*", and wonderful children ....but many had praised it....so I hope my vote spoke for my praise.....(*Lesser Half not ment to degrade, used only out of not Knowing a "proper Name" )

so speaking on all the sites would be just echoing....with me sometimes saying nothing for the sake of saying it.......

so I try to add.......not detract from the discussion......and find adding sometimes for the sake of typeing would only shut down the discussion.
 

kolanuraven

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That's funny....so my truck saved me, huh???!!!!

I should send ya pic of it.....since we got it back..I park it sooooooo close to the road that the still at loose thief can see it as he goes up and down the road!!!

Just to prove I won and got it back...but I'm still after his sorry a$$.....
 

Steve

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That's funny....so my truck saved me, huh???!!!!

Didn't really think you needed saving, anyways as they wouldn't put me in charge......

I really was not "concerned" about your shoes it was just a good argueing point......about something that I can't even really recall spacifically.....and my spelling hasn't improved but yours getten worse,... has made mine look better.....



as for the thief,.....Hope he comes up to steal you truck, just as you are finishing up loading a gun, and you shoot the dirt out from under his feet......
 

kolanuraven

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huh....hmmmm...I'm gonna be aiming a wee bit higher than his feet, if ya know what I mean!!!!

I plan to stop him pro-creating anymore thieves!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

On the topic of spelling....." when in Rome...do as the Romans"!!! :lol:
 

theHiredMansWife

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Now that I know you had a crappy old truck, I have found "redeaming" charactoristics in you...

I think you're on to something, Steve.
While I too read far more than I actually post to (yes, as much as I post, I actually read that much more where I don't say anything. :wink: ), I've actually had someone tell me he makes a point out of not reading any forum but Political Bull. And I'd bet he's not the only one.
I truly think they lose something by not seeing the different facets of people that really aren't revealed except through the other forums and their conversations.
 

T3023

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The money backers who are the corporate industry are taking over. The country is "Really" 81 trillion in debt; 9 billion is just the interest. We are paying the debts by selling off US territories. China now holds long beach navel ship yard. The deepest water port in the Caribbean and the Panama Canal. FTAA plans to build a highway from Panama to Kansas Missouri. The Europeans are trying to gain control of New Orleans and they will have access to the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers. This divides the country into 3 sections breaking us up like they did Russia. If you vote Democrat or Republic nothing will change. The only solution is for each state to reclaim sovereignty which was lost in 1933.

Washington controls us trough corporate laws and contracts. This accomplished via “Martial Law” which is described in the constitution as only allowed during a war situation, thus keeping us at a state of war by declaring war on drugs, war on meth, Vietnam war, cold war, war on terrorism etc.

The war in Iraq is soon to be a war in Iran. The only way to resolve this is to declare sovereignty and pull together as a people.


THE PARAGON FOUNDATION
PRESS RELEASE
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Office of Public Relations
505-653-4024
Toll Free 1-877-847-3443

For Immediate Release: January 30, 2001

390 Words

RANGENET 2000 STRATEGY MEETING The long-term plan of RANGENET2000 is to force ranchers from all public lands

Cattleman And Property Rights Groups To Meet In Los Vegas, Nevada

In a December 2000 meeting, eighteen environmental activist groups from the eleven western states, several other states and Canada, gathered in Reno, Nevada to plot and jointly sign on to a scheme to force some 20,000 BLM grazing permit holders from federal lands. The plan, called RANGENET2000, is considered by the cattle industry as a serious threat to all public lands users. The long-term plan of RANGENET2000 is to force ranchers from all public lands by listing more endangered species.

A RANGENET2000 attendee, Attorney Marl Salvo of the Oregon based American Lands stated "Conservationists must address the symptoms of degraded ecosystems through the Endangered Species Act. While sage grouse are considered a good candidate for protection, federal biologists have admitted that any number of other sagebrush obligate species could also be successfully petitioned for listing."

In response to RANGENET 2000, members and directors of The Paragon Foundation, People's Alliance for Jobs and the Environment (PAJE) Foundation, Frontiers of Freedom / People for the USA and the Public Land Council and others will conduct a strategy meeting on February 24, 2001, in Las Vegas, Nevada.

According to the organizers, the meeting will be an open discussion format. They state that topics to be discussed will include but are not limited to:

Re-authorization of the Endangered Species Act with Amendments. Amendments might include scientific peer-reviewed studies, public and Congressional hearings.

Exposing the Foundations Financing RANGENET2000 The ranching industry has long pointed accusing fingers at environmental groups for forcing them from the range. It is time NOW to inform the public about the hidden financing of greens by major foundations. Facts and figures on foundations that are financing RANGENET2000 will be disclosed.

Media and Lobbying Campaign J. Zane Walley, through a Paragon Foundation grant, will present a comprehensive strategy to expose and strongly impact the foundations financing RANGENET2000. Ronnie Meritt of the PAJE Foundation will explain how PAJE is mounting a Public Service Announcement campaign on the airways.

The organizers invite all concerned parties to attend to the meeting. Special rate reservations are available At The New Frontier Hotel / Casino. Call 1-800-421-7806 and ask to reserve a room for the RANGE FIGHTER CONFERENCE.

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Bush Administration Forest Service Raids Ranch Confiscating 300 Cattle -
Sheriff Denies Rancher Due Process of Law Protections - October 25, 2005
Greenlee County, Arizona. Since Saturday, twenty armed Forest Service employees and rented cowboys including neighboring rancher, Daryl Bingham and sons, have been gathering 300 head of cattle, valued at approximately $250,000, in a para-military raid on the Dan Martinez Ranch in Greenlee County, Arizona.
Greenlee County Sheriff, Steven Tucker, refused to uphold the law by allowing the federal government to seize the cattle without the necessary court order, denying Mr. Martinez his Constitutional procedural due process of law protections.
On October 3, 2005, in an apparent direct violation of both state and federal laws, the State of Arizona Department of Agriculture entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Forest Service, which by edict removed the Constitutional obstacle requiring the Forest Service to first obtain a court order prior to the seizure of property, in this instance, cattle. The State previously required a court order to impound livestock and this about-face in policy came on direct orders from Governor Napolitano. In addition, contrary to the terms of the MOU, the Forest Service blocked Mr. Martinez from removing his cattle from the grazing allotments last week.
"The Forest Service, apparently disturbed that Mr. Martinez did not renew his voluntary grazing permit with the federal government, has been attempting for the last three years to run him out of business, even going so far as to trump up criminal charges for maintaining his road as an 1866 Mining Law right-of-way. Now, with the State's help, they may succeed in breaking him," commented G.B. Oliver, Executive Director, Paragon Foundation. "If the State isn't careful, some rancher may end up owning a court house before this is over," he added.
Martinez , a second generation owner of the 160-year old Martinez ranch, which includes the Hickey and Pleasant Valley grazing allotments, commented from his home in Santa Fe , NM , "I'm not in dispute with the Forest Service. I have always agreed to do anything they ask of me as long as they could show me where they had the authority and jurisdiction to manage my private property such as my vested water rights, forage, improvements and rights-of-ways on my grazing allotments. They have never come forth with any such evidence. As it was, I could not afford to run cattle under the punitive terms and conditions of their voluntary grazing permit program."
Under the MOU, which has no force of law, the Martinez cattle may now be seized as "stray" livestock. The branded cattle clearly do not fall within the lawful definition of "strays", meaning unbranded and unclaimed livestock.
Retired Congressman, Helen Chenoweth-Hage (R-ID) and Chairman of the Nevada Livestock Association, which battled and stopped similar cattle seizures in Nevada, pointed out that, "The State of Arizona, under this MOU, is depriving Mr. Martinez of his Constitutionally guaranteed procedural due process of law protections. The State is allowing the federal government to drive away, sell and slaughter his cattle, depriving Mr. Martinez of his livelihood without ever having a day in court. The State is clearly exposing itself to liability for civil rights and Constitutional Fifth Amendment "takings" of property violations."
The grazing permit has become a contentious issue in the West where the Forest Service has often used the terms and conditions of the permit to harass, intimidate and bankrupt family ranchers. Traditionally, ranchers voluntarily signed grazing permits in order to participate in the cooperative range improvement fund, financed by their grazing fees. As the requirements of these permits become increasingly punitive and onerous, some ranchers have opted out of the range improvement fund.
"The land management agencies, fearful of a mass exodus from the grazing permit program, have turned to mafia-style fear and intimidation tactics to ensure ranchers renew their permits," commented Chenoweth-Hage. "Most ranchers don't want to risk loosing their livestock and livelihood at gun point. It's a very effective tool of intimidation. Three years ago I publicly issued a $1,000 challenge to anybody who could produce the law requiring ranchers to sign grazing permits. I still have my $1,000." top
Judge Napolitano Speaks in Alamogordo, NM - October 22, 2005
Paragon Foundation, Inc, held its 2005 seminar entitled “Constitutional Chaos” at the Sgt. Willie Estrada Memorial Civic Center in Alamogordo, New Mexico, on Saturday, October 22, 2005.
The featured speaker was Judge Andrew Napolitano, author of the book, “Constitutional Chaos.” Judge Napolitano appears daily on The Big Story with John Gibson. He co-hosts FOX and Friends once a week and appears regularly on The O’Reilly Factor. Napolitano joined the FOX News Channel in May 1998 and currently serves as a senior judicial analyst.


http://www.paragonfoundation.org/newsandinformation.htm#Bush%20Administration



Sheriff Warns Hage of Possible Cattle Confiscation and Arrest - August 18, 2004
NYE COUNTY, NEVADA: According to Nye County Sheriff, Tony DeMeo, the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management (BLM), in the midst of finalizing post-trial briefs in a thirteen-year old lawsuit with Nye County rancher, Wayne Hage, and in a move of apparent direct defiance of the several recent court decisions, are preparing to confiscate Hage's cattle on his ranch in Nye County, Nevada. Hage was notified Friday by Sheriff DeMeo, that Bob Abby, Nevada BLM Director, had told him that despite on-going litigation, the BLM could move forward with the confiscation, unless they receive a cease and desist order from the Court.
Alf Brandt, Interior Department Solicitor, and one of the Government's attorneys in the May Hage v. U.S. compensation trial in Reno, Nevada stated in a July 30, 2004, letter to Sheriff DeMeo that the, "BLM actions may result in Mr. Hage's appearance in federal court, which may provide him the opportunity to again present his legal theories and allow the federal court to adjudicate these issues." Brandt's letter also contained thinly veiled threats to arrest Hage.
Thursday, the U.S. Forest Service hand-delivered a three-day notice to Hage to remove livestock from the lands the U.S. Court of Federal Claims determined in its 2002 Final Decision and Finding of Fact to be "fee lands" to which Hage holds title. ("Fee" means the inheritable right to use.)
Sheriff DeMeo commented on the governments actions, "It is inexplicable to me why, after thirteen years of litigation, the BLM and Forest Service seem so anxious to go after Hage now. But there definitely seems to be an intensity building in this county, and I expect them to try something. I have instructed my deputies to protect the Constitutional rights of the citizens of Nye County, even if the perpetrator is the federal government," he added.
Concerned about a Ruby Ridge-style government "arrest," today, Hage forwarded a letter to Sheriff DeMeo stating that he believes the government's efforts to create a "confrontation" with him is a move of desperation on the part of the agencies, as a result evidence that surfaced at his trial in Reno in May.
The U.S. Forest Service, BLM, and southern Nevada water interests were implicated in a "conspiracy," according to court transcripts, to bankrupt the Hages, in order to obtain the abundant Pine Creek Ranch water for the benefit of Southern Nevada interests. In his letter, Hage stated that, "I believe Alf W. Brandt, as solicitor for the BLM Department of Interior, would like to find a way to eliminate me at the hands of some (federal) "Law Enforcement" personnel."
In the thirteen-year Fifth Amendment of the Constitution "takings" lawsuit in the U. S. Court of Federal Claims between the Hage family and the federal government, Hage has prevailed in all court rulings to date. In 1991, the federal government, in an attempt to de-rail Hage's civil "takings" case, attempted to prosecute him for destruction of government property. The case was reversed by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
Nevada Live Stock Association Director, Ramona Morrison, remarked about the May trial. "The government's case faltered dramatically during the compensation trial. Every government witness was roundly impeached, or discredited, during cross examination. Facing the potential of incurring enormous damages in a ruling expected after the October closing arguments in Reno, and numerous "takings" cases brought by other ranchers who have found themselves in similar circumstances as Hage, the U.S. Forest Service and BLM have little chance at damage control. They may be acting in desperation to intimidate other ranchers from similar attempts to seek compensation when federal government takes their property."
Government Solicitor, Alf Brandt, justifies his actions in his letter to Sheriff DeMeo by stating that Hage is failing to keep his cattle on the forage of the 50-foot right-of-ways. Hage commented from his ranch, "The government argues that I must contain my cattle on 50-feet of either side of my 1866 ditch rights-of-ways, some of which are natural creeks. I defy anyone to show me where the Court has said that in any of the three published Decisions or in the one court Order. Yet, this is their justification for seeking my arrest. The government refuses to recognize that I am not a trespasser on my own ranch."

Contacts:
Tony DeMeo, Nye County Sheriff 775.751.7000
Ramona Morrison 775.424.0570
Wayne Hage 775.482.4187
Ladd Bedford, Esq., Attorney for Hage 415.905.0200


http://www.paragonfoundation.org/newsandinformation.htm#Bush%20Administration
 

CattleRMe

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BBJ said:
Soapweed said:
theHiredMansWife said:
Soapweed, i promise, I'm not near as enthralled with you as you seem to be with me. :roll: You hadn't even crossed my mind. I don't know about whacko, but you sure seem to be a stalker...

I was simply replying to Faster Horses comment since she didn't seem to know what Tumbleweed was referring to.

My apologies, HMW, I realize now that the post was for her instead. I am truly sorry that I didn't read very well.

Hey Soap don't feel bad about not reading it very good and answering a question to someone else. If I'm not mistaken either dis, hmw or kola (one of the reisdent libs) have answered my questions that were directed to someone else. :wink:

Maybe ya all should private message questions you don't want someone else to answer or darn it I'll be one answering a question not directed at me! :?
 

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