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This is why democrats were against voter ID

ranch hand

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I say let the legal ones vote and the illegal ones not!

Hispanics voted for Obama over Mitt Romney by a resounding 71 percent to 27 percent and may have put him over the top in several key swing states. The total number of potential Hispanic voters this year reached a record 23.7 million – up about 80 percent since 2000 – and Hispanics now compose about 10 percent of the total electorate, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.
“The Latino electorate arrived Tuesday, there’s no question about it,” said Rafael Collazo, director of political campaigns for the National Council of La Raza. The organization, which bills itself as the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States, says it helped register more than 90,000 new Hispanic voters this year.
“States like Florida, Colorado, Nevada, Pennsylvania, even Ohio -- the Latino vote was a net gain for the preferred candidate and was the deciding factor or at least very, very close to being the decisive factor,” Collazo told NBC News.
"The Latino giant is wide awake, cranky and is taking names,” labor leader Eliseo Medina, of the Service Employees International Union, told NBC Latino. 
With the election behind them, Hispanics now want Obama and Congress to work on issues identified in surveys as their priorities – more jobs, affordable health care, access to higher education and immigration reform.
GOP faces immigration fight after election
The latter issue has been more important for Hispanics than for other U.S. voters, said Mark Hugo Lopez, associate director of the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research organization.
Hispanic support for Obama was high even before he announced in June that the government will stop deporting, and begin granting work permits to, some undocumented immigrants who entered the U.S. as children.
“However, when it comes to asking Hispanics which party is more concerned for the Hispanic community, after the deferred action program was announced the (Democratic) share went from 45 to 61 percent – the highest we’ve measured in Pew Hispanic surveys in 10 years,”  Lopez said.
“In his acceptance speech, Obama mentioned that comprehensive immigration reform was something that needed to be addressed, and we’re going to hold him to that,” Collazo told NBC News.
The day after the election, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid promised to introduce an immigration reform package next year. He said if Republicans block the legislation, they would do so "at their peril."
Al Cardenas, chairman of the American Conservative Union and former chairman of the Republican Party in Florida, agreed that the immigration debate has been detrimental for the GOP.
“Across the board generationally and demographically, the immigration issue has become a wedge issue … because it’s become a litmus test of respect and caring in that community,” Cardenas said. “My advice for conservatives and the party as a whole is to get bipartisan immigration reform done in next 100 to 200 days.”
A survey of Hispanic voters by the firm Latino Decisions found that Hispanics pushed Obama over the top in Colorado, Florida and Nevada, swing states where they turned out in unusually high numbers.
Cardenas said the GOP can’t pay short shrift to minority groups if it wants to put a Republican in the White House.
NBC Latino: We voted – now let’s get to work, say Latinos after historic vote for Obama
“The so-called mainstream vote is no longer sufficient,” he said. “The coalition of all of these minority votes is a priority in these elections today. The Hispanic vote is the most numerically significant of all of these groups. We need to develop a precise, aggressive, winning political game plan to address that community.”
The Hispanic community is a diverse one, according to the Pew Center's Lopez:
Country of origin: Among eligible Hispanic voters, 58 percent are Mexican Americans, 14 percent are Puerto Ricans, and 6 percent are Cubans. (The remainder are from Central and South America). Historically, Cubans have supported Republican candidates more than other Hispanic groups; in Florida this year, 49 percent of Cubans went for Obama and 47 percent for Romney.
Youth: People ages 18-29 make up about a third of all eligible Hispanic voters, but just 20 percent of all general voters.
Naturalized U.S. citizens: Among Hispanic eligible voters, 25 percent are immigrants who are naturalized. But among whites, only 3 percent are naturalized U.S. citizens.
Callazo said that despite this diversity, Hispanics displayed a rather consistent, Democratic-leaning voting pattern across many states.
“The numbers of how Latinos voted in Arizona compared to Ohio and Colorado were fairly close,” Callazo said.
“Yes, there are differences and nuances … but if you look at the polling and all the anecdotal work and the outreach we’ve done over the years, the core issues are very, very similar," he added.  "At end of day, Latino voters are voting for the candidate they feel will best reflect their values."
 
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And the Republicans are getting their reward for the years of their wanting corporate entities to have availability to semi-slave labor and for all their wealthy supporters to have cheap maids, nannies, gardeners and pool boys.... :wink:
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
And the Republicans are getting their reward for the years of their wanting corporate entities to have availability to semi-slave labor and for all their wealthy supporters to have cheap maids, nannies, gardeners and pool boys.... :wink:


More drunken drivel from our resident drunk!!!!! :wink: :wink: Whineing about those that have managed their finances better than YOU Dicky Poo!!!! :roll: :roll:
 

ranch hand

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Show me Ot where republicans were for illegals. They can come work here with the proper papers. Dems want them for the votes. Which is better, republicans that give them a channel to come work or a dem wants them here for the vote and then provides no job but welfare for skipping the legal way?
 

Larrry

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The question that ot ignores is why are the dems fighting verifying voters to make sure if they are eligible. The reps are pushing for it. Why aren't the dems?
 
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ranch hand said:
Show me Ot where republicans were for illegals. They can come work here with the proper papers. Dems want them for the votes. Which is better, republicans that give them a channel to come work or a dem wants them here for the vote and then provides no job but welfare for skipping the legal way?


The last sweeping clean up of illegals was Operation Wetback under IKE (which was done to rid the country of all the illegals allowed in to make up the manpower shortage during WWII)- since then we had the Reagan Amnesty- and the Bush/McCain/Kennedy proposed Amnesty...And we had Repub Chamber of the Commerce battling against the E-Verify identification system for illegals-- with the Chamber even crawling in bed with the ACLU to sue to stop it....
Reagans Amnesty included a law making it a crime to hire an illegal- But neither Reagan nor his successors- the Bush's I & II or Clinton ever enforced it ....

They bluster a little-- but do little on the federal level to either stop the inflow or get rid of those in the country.....


And now Repubs are again talking Amnesty-- and deviding the Party more...

War opens inside GOP over immigration


By Cameron Joseph - 11/10/12 06:00 AM ET


A war has opened within the GOP over whether to embrace immigration reform in the wake of President Obama’s thumping of Mitt Romney among Hispanic voters.


Conservative hero Sean Hannity said Thursday he had evolved on immigration reform after Romney lost Hispanics by 40 percentage points to Obama, while Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said a “comprehensive approach” on the issue was “long overdue.”


Pundit Charles Krauthammer wrote Friday that Hispanics should be a natural GOP constituency, which means increasing border security while giving amnesty to those already in the United States illegally.

“Yes amnesty. Use the word. Shock and awe — full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement,” he wrote.


The comments from Boehner and other Republicans suggesting movement on immigration reform reflect broad fears within the party that it is cutting itself off from the fast-growing constituency.

Warning signs for Republicans in terms of its future with Hispanic voters could be found not only in the election’s results but in exit polls that found Romney tied Obama even among Cuban Americans in Florida, who have traditionally been a strong GOP constituency.

But comments from rank-and-file Republicans and Rush Limbaugh — the only conservative talker with more listeners than Hannity —reflected the continued deep divisions in the GOP over how to handle immigration.

Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) expressed concern Boehner “is getting ahead of House Republicans” on the issue.

“There’s been zero discussion of this issue within the conference, and I’m urging the Speaker to talk with House Republicans before making pledges on the national news,” he said in a statement released Friday.

Limbaugh played “Feliz Navidad” on his show Friday and argued Hispanics are moving to Democrats not because of immigration but because of the party’s positions on taxes and welfare. Allowing those in the United States illegally to stay wouldn’t help the party, he argued.

“You can't beat Santa Claus with amnesty,” tweeted Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), referencing Limbaugh’s description of Obama as Santa Claus and Democrats as the “party of free stuff.”

The fight within the party is likely to play out further next week when lawmakers return to Washington for the lame-duck session.

American Conservative Union President Al Cardenas said the fight was necessary, both politically and for good policy.

“There will be a number of outspoken people on the subject but they have to have a plan of their own, conservatives cannot advocate the status quo, it's indefensible,” he said. “For conservatives to say they're not for comprehensive immigration reform is unsustainable.”
 

Larrry

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ot you are getting off topic. This was about voter id and verifying voters are entitled to vote. Which the dems are against verifying and the Reps are the ones pushing for id.
Why do the dems not want to make sure voters are eligible?
 

Larrry

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He can't answer why the dems are so agianst voter id. He tries and change the subject to imigration. Typical liberalism
 

Mike

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OT wrote:

The last sweeping clean up of illegals was Operation Wetback under IKE (which was done to rid the country of all the illegals allowed in to make up Reagans Amnesty included a law making it a crime to hire an illegal- But neither Reagan nor his successors- the Bush's I & II or Clinton ever enforced it ....



Liar. Just one of many examples:


WSJ Oct 31, 2008
Federal agents Thursday arrested a former senior executive of a large kosher meatpacking plant on charges that he employed illegal immigrants for commercial gain and helped them secure fake documents, a sign of stepped up enforcement against employers who use illegal labor.

Agents for Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Sholom Rubashkin, who headed the Agriprocessors Inc. plant in Postville, Iowa, on various criminal immigration and fraudulent-identity charges outlined in a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Cedar Rapids.

The charges include encouraging an illegal immigrant to reside in the U.S., aiding and abetting the possession and use of fraudulent identification and aiding and abetting the use of another individual's documents, which constitutes "aggravated identity theft," according to the court.

Attempts to reach Mr. Rubashkin for comment weren't successful.

The plant was the site of an enforcement action earlier this year in which ICE arrested nearly 400 illegal immigrants for various offenses related to their undocumented work status. The raid marked one of the largest work-site operation by the Bush administration, which has increased action against companies believed to employ illegal immigrants. Most of the detained workers were sentenced to five months in prison for engaging in identity theft but pleaded guilty to lesser charges and were recently deported after serving their sentences.
 
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Mike said:
OT wrote:

The last sweeping clean up of illegals was Operation Wetback under IKE (which was done to rid the country of all the illegals allowed in to make up Reagans Amnesty included a law making it a crime to hire an illegal- But neither Reagan nor his successors- the Bush's I & II or Clinton ever enforced it ....



Liar.


WSJ Oct 31, 2008
Federal agents Thursday arrested a former senior executive of a large kosher meatpacking plant on charges that he employed illegal immigrants for commercial gain and helped them secure fake documents, a sign of stepped up enforcement against employers who use illegal labor.

Agents for Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Sholom Rubashkin, who headed the Agriprocessors Inc. plant in Postville, Iowa, on various criminal immigration and fraudulent-identity charges outlined in a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Cedar Rapids.

The charges include encouraging an illegal immigrant to reside in the U.S., aiding and abetting the possession and use of fraudulent identification and aiding and abetting the use of another individual's documents, which constitutes "aggravated identity theft," according to the court.

Attempts to reach Mr. Rubashkin for comment weren't successful.

The plant was the site of an enforcement action earlier this year in which ICE arrested nearly 400 illegal immigrants for various offenses related to their undocumented work status. The raid marked one of the largest work-site operation by the Bush administration, which has increased action against companies believed to employ illegal immigrants. Most of the detained workers were sentenced to five months in prison for engaging in identity theft but pleaded guilty to lesser charges and were recently deported after serving their sentences.


A thimblesworth in the Pacific Ocean :roll: .... 400 illegals arrested in a high profile raid--when in 2008 there were an estimated 12 to 20 Million illegals here- most with jobs prior to the Bush Bust...
I don't consider that enforcement- thats just blowing smoke up someones rear....

Even Operation Wetback back in the 50's removed hundreds of thousands of aliens and scared as much as a million into self deporting....
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT wrote:

The last sweeping clean up of illegals was Operation Wetback under IKE (which was done to rid the country of all the illegals allowed in to make up Reagans Amnesty included a law making it a crime to hire an illegal- But neither Reagan nor his successors- the Bush's I & II or Clinton ever enforced it ....



Liar.


WSJ Oct 31, 2008
Federal agents Thursday arrested a former senior executive of a large kosher meatpacking plant on charges that he employed illegal immigrants for commercial gain and helped them secure fake documents, a sign of stepped up enforcement against employers who use illegal labor.

Agents for Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Sholom Rubashkin, who headed the Agriprocessors Inc. plant in Postville, Iowa, on various criminal immigration and fraudulent-identity charges outlined in a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Cedar Rapids.

The charges include encouraging an illegal immigrant to reside in the U.S., aiding and abetting the possession and use of fraudulent identification and aiding and abetting the use of another individual's documents, which constitutes "aggravated identity theft," according to the court.

Attempts to reach Mr. Rubashkin for comment weren't successful.

The plant was the site of an enforcement action earlier this year in which ICE arrested nearly 400 illegal immigrants for various offenses related to their undocumented work status. The raid marked one of the largest work-site operation by the Bush administration, which has increased action against companies believed to employ illegal immigrants. Most of the detained workers were sentenced to five months in prison for engaging in identity theft but pleaded guilty to lesser charges and were recently deported after serving their sentences.


A thimblesworth in the Pacific Ocean :roll: .... 400 illegals arrested in a high profile raid--when in 2008 there were an estimated 12 to 20 Million illegals here- most with jobs prior to the Bush Bust...
I don't consider that enforcement- thats just blowing smoke up someones rear....

Even Operation Wetback back in the 50's removed hundreds of thousands of aliens and scared as much as a million into self deporting....

You're still a liar. :wink:
 
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Larrry said:
But why are democrats against voter ID

Got me-- ask a Dem... Much of the issue I believe centers around what will qualify for identification-- and the fear it will lead to a national ID card...I do know that many conservatives, Liberals and Libertarians have opposed having a national ID card (like REAL ID) on Constitutional and Individual Privacy issues besides others...

To many it envisions the Gestapo Agent standing at the train depot telling Humphrey Bogart " Your Papers ,please"...

Controversy and opposition to The Real ID Act has faced criticism from across the political spectrum and remains the subject of several ongoing controversies. Opponents of the Real ID Act include libertarian groups, in particular the Cato Institute; immigrant advocacy groups; human and civil rights organizations, including ACLU; Christian advocacy groups such as the ACLJ; privacy advocacy groups, including 511 campaign; state-level citizen's groups such as North Carolinians Against Real ID and Floridians Against REAL ID; good government and government accountability groups; labor groups such as AFL-CIO; People for the American Way; consumer and patient protection groups; some gun rights groups; many state lawmakers, state legislatures and governors; The Constitution Party and others. Real ID is opposed by such groups as Gun Owners of America, by the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal as well as the Obama administration. Along with the Bush administration, the Real ID Act is strongly supported by the conservative Heritage Foundation and by many anti-illegal immigration advocates. Founded by evangelical Christian Pat Robertson, the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) participated in a joint press conference with the ACLU in 2008, highlighting the broad diversity of the coalition opposing Title II of the REAL ID Act. The National Coalition Against Domestic Violence has also voiced concern about REAL ID.

Several legal challenges to REAL ID are underway by individuals in state courts, including Adrian Wyllie in Florida and Kaye Beach in Oklahoma.

Among the 2008 presidential candidates, according to a February 2008 CNet report at news.com, John McCain strongly supported the Real ID Act, Barack Obama and Ron Paul flatly opposed it, while Hillary Clinton called for the law to be reviewed. In a September 2007 interview Mike Huckabee expressed opposition to the Real ID Act, calling the Real ID Act "a huge mistake".

Constitutionality

Some critics claim that the Real ID Act violates the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution as a federal legislation in an area that, under the terms of the Tenth Amendment, is the province of the states. Thus, Anthony Romero, the executive director of ACLU, stated: "... Real ID is an unfunded mandate that violates the Constitution's 10th Amendment on state powers, destroys states' dual sovereignty and consolidates every American's private information, leaving all of us far more vulnerable to identity thieves.".

Former Republican U.S. Representative Bob Barr wrote in a February 2008 article: "A person not possessing a Real ID Act-compliant identification card could not enter any federal building, or an office of his or her congressman or senator or the U.S. Capitol. This effectively denies that person their fundamental rights to assembly and to petition the government as guaranteed in the First Amendment."
 

Mike

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Real ID has nothing to do with it.

Dems want to cheat in elections and have a hard time cheating when they show ID. It's that simple.
 

Steve

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BREAKING: St. Lucie County, Florida Had 141.1% Turnout; Obama Won County

Out of 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 vote cards were cast in St. Lucie County, Florida on Tuesday. Barack Obama won the county.


Coincidentally (or not), St. Lucie County is also in Allen West's district, where 6,000 votes mysteriously "shifted" from Mr. West to his challenger.

“We are not getting to observe the vote count,” he said. Mr. Shapiro has been overseeing the process at the Riveria Beach vote tabulation center. Temporary workers are helping the local staff oversee the count of absentee ballots, those damaged by voting machines, and ballots in which the three pages have become separated. They are making new ballots to replace the damaged ones, and are required to mark them with the same votes. Florida law allows observers to be present but they are being blocked from making sure the ballots are marked accurately.

A physical barrier had been erected making it impossible for the observers to see what was going on. After repeated objections, the observers were allowed to stand behind the people reproducing the ballots. But then the ballot workers blocked their view. “Half of the people reproducing the ballots are crowding together,” Mr. Shapiro said, “to make it impossible for anyone to see what they are doing.” He added that “there is a sense that since they spend so much time obstructing our view they are not reproducing [the ballots] correctly.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/9/allen-west-asks-recount-amid-growing-vote-count-sc/

typical.. invalidate the military vote, and forge the rest... this is starting to really stink.. and get old..

It wouldn't bother me if the election was fair and free of such rampant fraud...
 

Faster horses

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Just wondering, OT, did you have to show an ID when you voted early?
We didn't vote early but we had to show an ID at the polls.

We have hunting friends here from Washington State (Conservaties)
and they voted early (mail in) and they didn't have to show any ID.
 
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