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Ann Coulter Lashes Out At Republicans And Latinos Over Immigration Reform

Updated: 02/21/2013 11:57 pm EST


Ann Coulter has given up on the Latino vote.


In an opinion piece riddled with errors and unattributed statistics, the conservative columnist lashed out at Republicans working to pass comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship, saying that Latinos will never vote for the GOP because they are too poor and government-dependent.

Coulter begins her article by grossly overestimating the undocumented population, asking “why do Republicans want to create up to 20 million more Democratic voters, especially if it involves flouting the law?”

In fact, the total undocumented population stands at about 11.1 million, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

There's also no reason to assume that undocumented Latinos would automatically vote Democrat if they gained citizenship. Not all U.S. Hispanic citizens vote and some 27 percent of them voted for Mitt Romney in last year’s presidential election.

Repeating a line routinely offered by the Mitt Romney presidential campaign last year, Coulter notes that polls indicate that immigration is not the number one concern for most Hispanics.

But that doesn’t mean it’s a non-issue for Latino voters, as Coulter claims when she says “Trying to appeal to Hispanics with amnesty would be like trying to win over baseball fans by shouting ‘Go Yankees!’ at a Mets game.”

In fact, the overwhelming majority of Latino voters favor both a pathway to citizenship (85 percent) and the DREAM Act (90 percent), according to a Fox News Latino poll released last year.

While the issue doesn’t trump the economy and jobs, the biggest concerns for most Hispanic voters, immigration remains an important and often personal issue for most Latinos. More than eight in 10 undocumented immigrants are Hispanic, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. Supporting a path to citizenship may not guarantee that Latinos will flock to the GOP, but taking hardline on immigration tends to alienate Hispanic voters.

Perhaps an even greater turn off for Latinos is being portrayed by conservative commentators like Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly as lazy and government-dependent -- a characterization based on stereotype rather than evidence.

Coulter takes this approach in Wednesday’s column:

So why do Hispanics vote Democratic? Like most legal immigrants since Teddy Kennedy's 1965 Immigration Act, Hispanic immigrants are poor. The poverty rate of second-generation Hispanics is lower than the first -- but the third generation's poverty rate is higher than the second. Coulter offers no evidence to support the claim. In fact, each generation of Latinos tends to become better off socioeconomically than the one before it, according to a 2011 study by the Migration Policy Institute.

“If Republicans think we can have mass amnesty for millions of government-dependent immigrants and become a more libertarian country, they're crazy,” Coulter continues.

In fact, Latinos use less than their fair share of government benefits. According to a study released this year by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities:

Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 64 percent of the population in 2010 and received 69 percent of the entitlement benefits. In contrast, Hispanics made up 16 percent of the population but received 12 percent of the benefits, less than their proportionate share -- likely because they are a younger population and also because immigrants, including many legal immigrants, are ineligible for various benefits. Coulter correctly notes that Latino voters tend to lean liberal, both on the size of government and on many social issues. But that doesn’t mean Republicans can’t fare better among Latinos.

George W. Bush, himself a champion of comprehensive immigration reform, won 40 percent of the Latino vote in 2004. Ronald Reagan won 37 percent two decades earlier.

Observers generally agree that Mitt Romney’s dismal 27 percent of the Hispanic vote was owed to the hardline immigration positions he staked out during the hard-fought GOP primary. Doubling down on those positions, as Coulter advocates, isn’t likely to boost Latino support for the Republican Party.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that 27 percent of undocumented immigrants, rather than U.S. Hispanic citizens, voted for Mitt Romney last year's presidential election. The story was corrected at 4:10 p.m. on Thursday, Feb. 21, 2013.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/ann-coulter-lashes-out-republicans-latinos-immigration-reform_n_2733266.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics



Rush Limbaugh: 'For The First Time In My Life, I Am Ashamed Of My Country' (AUDIO) Posted: 02/22/2013 8:31 am EST | Updated: 02/22/2013 8:38 am EST

Rush Limbaugh is officially ashamed of America for "the first time," he announced Thursday.

The reason? The so-called budget sequestration, which President Obama and Democrats say could do serious danger to the economy if Congress can't do a deal before March 1st. Limbaugh wasn't buying it.

The radio host said that "to have our common sense and intelligence insulted the way it's being, it just makes me ashamed."

"Here they come -- sucking us in, roping us in, panic here, fear there, crisis, destruction, no meat inspection, no cops, no teachers, no firefighters, no air traffic control," he said. "I'm sorry, my days of getting roped into all of this are over. We have the media play along with all of this, the ruling class of both parties play along all of this -- it's insulting. I don't know how else to describe it!"

So, you're on notice, America: Rush Limbaugh is embarrassed to be seen with you.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/22/rush-limbaugh-ashamed-america_n_2740899.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics



Ted Nugent: I Honor Blacks Every Day, Barack Obama Engineers Destruction Of Black America The Huffington Post | By Meredith Bennett-Smith Posted: 02/21/2013 8:03 pm EST



Ted Nugent clearly does not shy away from broaching potentially inflammatory racial topics.

In a Feb. 20 column written for ultra-conservative WorldNetDaily, the controversial conservative activist and proud National Rifle Association board member claims that, while he himself "honors blacks" every day, President Obama and his Democratic party are engineering the destruction of black America:

With February being Black History Month, historians looking back at this timeframe studying black Americans will judge it as a complete and total disaster. And they won’t blame President Bush. Barack Obama, the guy who received roughly 93 percent of black American votes, is the clear and present engineer of the destruction of black America.

Black Americans, Nugent also writes, need to realize that "dirty Democrat politicians are their true enemy, not their salvation."

Nugent backs up his argument with a series of statistics on what he insists are the president's destructive "economic and social policies": The unemployment rate for adult black Americans, he writes, is twice that of white Americans; teenage black unemployment is 40 percent; the high school dropout rate for black Americans in some inner cities is above 50 percent. He also cites the "epidemic" of black-on-black violence and claims that "75 percent of black kids are now raised in a single-parent household."

As Nugent does not provide sources for his facts, its difficult to evaluate some of them. The stats about unemployment are correct, according to 2011 figures from the Labor Department. But sources differ on single-parent numbers, with The Annie E. Casey Foundation citing 69 percent. While Nugent does not state which cities' dropout rates he's referring to, the U.S. Department of Education claimed that 40 percent of black students dropped out nationwide during the 2010-2011 academic year.

MSNBC's Morgan Whitaker points out that, although Nugent may have at least some of his facts straight, "there’s ample evidence" to support the idea that President Obama has helped black America, rather than hurt it.

"The president has recently announced a series of proposals designed to help minority communities, including expanding access to pre-school and making higher education more affordable," writes Whitaker. "He’s also pushing to increase pay for those earning a minimum wage, of which African-Americans are a disproportionately large group. Don’t forget Obama’s support for the Voting Rights Act, which Republicans are actively trying to dismantle."

Nugent has recently been on something of a tear, in terms of offending the African-American community. Last April, he described himself as a "black Jew at a Nazi-Klan rally." A few months later, he mused whether the South should have won the Civil War after all. Then, in January, he compared gun owners to Civil Rights icon Rosa Parks.

Apparently not yet ready or willing to curb his offensive, racially charged statements, the musician ends his Feb. 20 op-ed by promoting his new tour, bewilderingly named "Ted Nugent Black Power 2013." He had also teased this name last week for his more than 162,000 Twitter followers:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/ted-nugent-honor-blacks-barack-obama-black-america_n_2736101.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics



Ted Nugent Remarks On Obama Draw Secret Service Scrutiny Posted: 04/17/2012 2:25 pm Updated: 04/17/2012 2:46 pm

Rocker Ted Nugent has reportedly earned himself the scrutiny of the Secret Service after saying over the weekend that he would be "dead or in jail by this time next year" if President Barack Obama is re-elected.

Nugent made the comments during an interview at the National Rifle Association convention in St. Louis, comparing Obama and his administration to "coyotes" that needed to be shot and encouraging voters to "chop [Democrats'] heads off in November."

(Videos above, via Right Wing Watch)

GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who Nugent has endorsed, also spoke at the NRA convention.

The Secret Service is now aware of Nugents remarks and is taking the appropriate action, Dan Amira of New York Magazine reports. It is customary for the Secret Service to investigate any threatening comments made against the president.

While vitriolic claims about "vile," "evil," "America-hating" Obama aren't new territory for Nugent, they have sparked backlash from various Democrats and Democratically-aligned groups, who are calling on Romney to distance himself from the entertainer.

"We don't expect moderation from Ted Nugent," said Michael Keegan, president of People For the American Way. "But we do expect a major presidential candidate like Mitt Romney to rebuke a prominent supporter for spewing hate-filled and violent rhetoric against the President of the United States."

DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz also weighed in on the controversy.

"Romney surrogate Ted Nugent's comments about Pres. Obama are vile & beyond the pale -- and the Romney campaign should denounce them immediately," the Florida congresswoman tweeted.

UPDATE -- 2:40 p.m.:

The DNC followed up with an online petition encouraging people to tell Romney to denounce "Nugent's hateful speech." They also released a web video hammering Nugent's position as a "surrogate for Mitt Romney."

Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul has also weighed in the matter.

"Divisive language is offensive no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from," she said, according to Talking Points Memo. "Mitt Romney believes everyone needs to be civil."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/17/ted-nugent-obama-secret-service_n_1432009.html



The World According to Ted Nugent the one hit wonder


Quotes and Stories from Ted's Writings and Interviews

ON MILITARY SERVICE

He claims that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody." - Detroit Free Press Magazine , July 15, 1990


http://www.nocompromise.org/news/000731c.html



a true republican, with true republican values and morals the XXX interview, be warned. ...



Courtney Love said on The Howard Stern Show on Monday that one of the first times she had oral sex was with Ted Nugent. She said she was young and she didn’t want to say exactly how old she was, but eventually confessed she was 12-year-old – which would have made Nugent approximately 28 years old at the time.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1503/the-hypocritical-summer-of-ted-nugent/


http://www.artistfacts.com/detail.php?id=44


http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/index.php?topic=91577.0



CELEBRITIES

TED NUGENT

Out of all the people I will list here, I will feel the least sorry about picking on Ted Nugent, since Ted Nugent recent went on a rant about "killing pedophiles." It is ironic coming from a man who admitted on VH1's "Behind the Music" that he was a "serial pedophile" and two of his relationships (one with his wife and one with “muse” Pele Massa, who was 17 when they started dating) were ended due to Ted’s infidelity while on the road, often with underage women. Courtney Love had even stated she gave Nugent oral sex when she was 12 years old. I guess we know what he meant about young Pele being his "muse." When TeD Nugent got "Cat Scratch Fever," we can safely assume the cat wasn't old enough to drive, much less drink.

http://www.oncefallen.com/retroactivity.html




Ted Nugent the racist


1995 interview with Bob Mack for Grand Royal Magazine



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1e4L_ghwjU



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/malia-litman/the-common-bond-between-d_b_564288.html





Ted Nugent commends Dubuque, Iowa for being White

August 20, 2010

It was bad enough that rock musician Ted Nugent made racially insensitive remarks on stage last week in Dubuque. What made it worse was that audience members cheered. [O, the horror! -Ed.]

Anybody who thinks racism is in Dubuque’s past had better think again.

Nugent commented approvingly that he saw so many white people in the audience. He commended Dubuque for being a “white town.” The crowd — not just a few fans here and there — cheered. (That is not to say that everyone in the audience was a Dubuque resident and that everyone cheered. But no expression of disapproval was heard, either; hopefully, some were too shocked to respond.)

People who attend performances, whether they are stand-up comics or musicians or the like, might expect some political comments to be interjected during a show. But Nugent’s remarks crossed the line.

This wasn’t a first for Nugent. For example, there was the Texas governor’s inaugural ball in 2007. A newspaper reported that Nugent, whose conservative politics and pro-gun beliefs are well known, “appeared on stage wearing a cut-off T-shirt emblazoned with a Confederate flag and shouting unflattering remarks about undocumented immigrants, including kicking them out of the country.”

Enter Ted Nugent’s name in Google and you’ll be treated to many racist and sexist gems. Here’s a Nugent rant delivered at a National Rifle Association conference : “Remember the Alamo! Shoot ‘em! To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want ‘em dead. Get a gun, and when they attack you, shoot ‘em.”

Officials at the Diamond Jo Casino, who booked Nugent here, said they won’t censor a performer. Other venues who book talent, also asked about it by the TH, said much the same. We get it: Freedom of speech and all that. But venues also have the freedom to not book acts, especially ones whose on-stage comments are known to include hate speech.

Certainly, there are comedians who play local stages who might offend some audience members with crude humor and explicit language. But Nugent’s comments went beyond a question of taste. It’s fodder for career-crippling YouTube videos and audiotapes.

That type of talk, delivered to audience members who have been drinking, could spark a confrontation between audience members. Does the venue have a plan for how to handle that? What about a venue’s employees — should they be expected to work in that environment?

And then for the local crowd to cheer Nugent’s remarks? It is an outrage and embarrassment.

Editorials reflect the consensus of the Telegraph Herald Editorial Board.

Source: Telegraph Herald.



http://reasonradionetwork.com/20100820/ted-nugent-commends-dubuque-iowa-for-being-white
 

Whitewing

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A political columnist, a talk show host, and a singer are three leaders of the republican party?

Your comprehension skills rank with OT's.
 

Mike

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Whitewing said:
A political columnist, a talk show host, and a singer are three leaders of the republican party?

Your comprehension skills rank with OT's.

He said "No" to the drugs. But they didn't listen. :lol:
 

Whitewing

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Mike said:
Whitewing said:
A political columnist, a talk show host, and a singer are three leaders of the republican party?

Your comprehension skills rank with OT's.

He said "No" to the drugs. But they didn't listen. :lol:

Isn't flounder a woman? I seem to recall lots of emotion and hysteria in the posts. :D
 

flounder

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Mike said:
A "Woman" high school dropout Doctor?

Surely you're mistaken?




say there mikey, another full dress day in your whites i see :lol: :lol:


your master has spoken, and claims ;





"We've just been outnumbered," he said.






Rush Limbaugh Says The Left Has Won, Explains Why He's 'Ashamed' Of His Country (AUDIO)




A day after Rush Limbaugh stirred up a roiling pot of controversy by saying on his show that he's "ashamed" of America, the conservative radio talk show host clarified his statements on Friday by asserting that he had only been referring to his disappointment with the liberal direction that the country is taking.

“I realize that many of you tuned in today wanting to hear more of this," Limbaugh said. "You wanted to hear what this is all about. You wanted to hear more about it, and I haven't really discussed it yet and you're probably angry, and I want to tell you why."

On Thursday, Limbaugh had drawn criticism from conservatives and liberals alike when he said that he was "ashamed of [his] country" for the "first time" in his life.

“To be watching all of this, to be treated like this, to have our common sense and intelligence insulted the way it's being insulted? It just makes me ashamed," he said at the time.

People on both sides of the aisle demanded that Limbaugh clarify his comments and on Friday, the radio host complied -- explaining that his frustration had been directed at the country's liberal leanings.

"[T]he left has beaten us," Limbaugh said during his Friday show. "They have created far more low-information, unaware, uneducated people than we’ve been able to keep up with."

He added that liberals now have control of "pop culture, movies, TVs, books [and] music."




"We've just been outnumbered," he said.





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/24/rush-limbaugh-left-has-won-ashamed_n_2754946.html
 

Mike

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"[T]he left has beaten us," Limbaugh said during his Friday show. "They have created far more low-information, unaware, uneducated people than we’ve been able to keep up with."

Something the 'Left' is proud of? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hopalong

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Mike said:
A "Woman" high school dropout Doctor?

Surely you're mistaken?

you forgot self proclaimed expert that no one listens to anymore...
:D :D :D because he makes no sense and has no idenity within the REAL world
 

Larrry

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flounder is just like ot. They both are such hardcore obama azs kissers that they were teabagged senseless on the way in and they are so far up that they can't see where they are going, then when obama opens his mouth and puts something in they have to swallow. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hypocritexposer

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20 Of The Most Embarrassing Moments In The History Of The Democrat Party
Feb 23, 2013

For example, one will virtually never hear that the Palmer Raids, Prohibition, or American eugenics were thoroughly progressive phenomena. These are sins America itself must atone for. Meanwhile, real or alleged “conservative” misdeeds — say McCarthyism — are always the exclusive fault of conservatives and a sign of the policies they would repeat if given power. The only culpable mistake that liberals make is failing to fight “hard enough” for their principles. Liberals are never responsible for historic misdeeds because they feel no compulsion to defend the inherent goodness of America. Conservatives, meanwhile, not only take the blame for events not of their own making that they often worked the most assiduously against, but find themselves defending liberal misdeeds in order to defend America herself. -- Jonah Goldberg



1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President, Andrew Jackson and his successor Martin Van Buren, herded Indians into camps, tormented them, burned and pillaged their homes and forced them to relocate with minimal supplies. Thousands died along the way.

2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by seceding, which led to the Civil War.

3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK.

4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor."

5) The American Protective League and The Palmer Raids (1919-1921):
Under the leadership of Woodrow Wilson, criticizing the government became a crime and a fascist organization, the American Protective League was formed to spy on and even arrest fellow Americans for being insufficiently loyal to the government. More than 100,000 Americans were arrested, with less than 1% of them ever being found guilty of any kind of crime.

6) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching A Federal Crime (1922):
"The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer’s (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure."

7) The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (1932-1972): Contrary to what you may have heard, Democrats in Alabama did not give black Americans syphilis. However, the experimenters did know that subjects of the experiment unknowingly had syphilis and even after it was proven that penicillin could be used to effectively treat the disease in 1947, the experiments continued. As a result, a number of the subjects needlessly infected their loved ones and died, when they could have been cured.

8) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order that led to more than 100,000 Japanese Americans being put into "bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards."

9) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (1950):
Hiss, who helped advise FDR at Yalta and was strongly defended by the Left, turned out to be a Soviet spy. He was convicted of perjury in 1950 (Sadly, the statute of limitations on espionage had run out), but was defended by liberals for decades until the Verona papers proved so conclusively that he was guilty that even most his fellow liberals couldn't continue to deny it.

10) The West Virgina Democrat primary is rigged by John F. Kennedy (1960): From an interview with the late, great Robert Novak.

John Hawkins: You also said that without question, John F. Kennedy rigged the West Virginia Democratic primary in (1960), but that the Wall Street Journal killed the story. Do you think that sort of thing is still occurring with great regularity and do you wish the Journal had reported the story when it happened?

Robert Novak: In my opinion, they should have. They sent two reporters down to West Virginia for six weeks and they came back with a carefully documented story on voter fraud in West Virginia, buying votes, and how he beat Humphrey in the primary and therefore got the nomination. But, Ed Kilgore, the President of Dow Jones and publisher of the Wall Street Journal, a very conservative man, said it wasn’t the business of the Wall Street Journal to decide the nominee of the Democratic Party and he killed the story. That story didn’t come out for many, many years — 30-40 years. It was kept secret all that time.

11) The Bay of Pigs (1961):
After training a Cuban militia to overthrow Castro, Kennedy got cold feet and didn't give the men all the air support they were promised. As a result, they were easily defeated by Castro's men and today, Cuba is still ruled by a hostile, anti-American dictatorship.

12) Fire Hoses And Attack Dogs Used On Children (1963): Birmingham, Alabama's notorious Commissioner of Public Safety, Democrat Bull Connor, used attack dogs and fire hoses on children and teenagers marching for civil rights. Ultimately, thousands of them would also be arrested.

13) Stand In The Schoolhouse Door (1963): Democrat George Wallace gave his notorious speech against integrating schools at the University of Alabama in which he said, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."

14) Escalation In Vietnam (1964): Lyndon Johnson dramatically escalated our troops’ presence in Vietnam while he simultaneously put political restrictions in place that made the war unwinnable. As a result, 58,000 Americans died in a war that ultimately achieved none of its aims.

15) Chappaquiddick (1969): The Democrats’ beloved "Liberal Lion" of the Senate, Ted Kennedy ran off the road into a tidal pool with passenger Mary Jo Kopechne in the car. Kennedy swam free and then spent 9 hours plotting how he would reveal the news to the press while she slowly suffocated to death.

16) Democrats Deliver South Vietnam To The North (1975): "In 1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam, the left wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South Vietnam, cut off all of its funding, cut off all of its ammunition, and sent a signal to the world that the United States had abandoned its allies." -- Newt Gingrich

17) The Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979-1981):
52 Americans were held hostage by the government of Iran for 444 days. After Jimmy Carter’s disastrous, failed rescue attempt, the hostages were finally released after Ronald Reagan's inaugural address.

18) Bill Clinton turns down Osama Bin Laden (1996): In Bill Clinton's own words, "'Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we’d been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.' — Bill Clinton explains to a Long Island, N.Y., business group why he turned down Sudan’s offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in 1996." Had Bill Clinton accepted Sudan's offer, 9/11 would have likely never happened.

19) Bill Clinton was impeached (1998): Clinton became only the 2nd President in American history to be impeached after he lied under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011):
The United States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn’t survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011, America lost its AAA credit rating.
 

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:40 am Post subject: Three Leaders of the Republican party (Larry, Curly, and Moe.

Are you SERIOUS ????? Liar liar pants on fire OBLAMEA, crazy uncle Joe Biden, Nutcase Nancy Pelosi, Harry Numbnuts Reid ???? There is NO comparison.

I truly believe That Flounder, is Oldtimers even more left leaning alter EGO.
 

Traveler

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And don't forget the CBC socialists that had so much to do with the whole subprime meltdown, and came out mostly unscathed.
 
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