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Throw out names- Bring on the chips!!!!!!

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Anonymous

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Why not tattoos- or hot iron brands :???: If the corporate world wants to control the world like the Nazis, we might as well go all the way...... :wink:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 18, 2006

VERICHIP INJECTS ITSELF INTO IMMIGRATION DEBATE
Company Pushes RFID Implants for Immigrants, Guest Workers

Scott Silverman, Chairman of the Board of VeriChip Corporation, has
alarmed civil libertarians by promoting the company's subcutaneous human
tracking device as a way to identify immigrants and guest workers.
He
appeared on the Fox News Channel earlier this week, the morning after
President Bush called for high-tech measures to clamp down on Mexican
immigrants.

Privacy advocates Katherine Albrecht and Liz McIntyre are warning that a
government-sanctioned chipping program such as that suggested by
Silverman could quickly be expanded to include U.S. citizens, as well.

The VeriChip is a glass encapsulated Radio Frequency Identification tag
that is injected into the flesh to uniquely number and identify people.
The tag can be read silently and invisibly by radio waves from up to a
foot or more away, right through clothing. The highly controversial
device is also being marketed as a way to access secure areas, link to
medical records, and serve as a payment device when associated with a
credit card.

"Makers of VeriChip have been planning for this day. They've lost
millions of dollars trying to sell their invasive product to North
America, and now they see an opportunity in the desperation of the
people of Latin America," Albrecht observes.


VeriChip's Silverman bandied about the idea of chipping foreigners on
national television Tuesday, emboldened by the Bush Administration call
to know "who is in our country and why they are here." He told Fox &
Friends that the VeriChip could be used to register guest workers,
verify their identities as they cross the border, and "be used for
enforcement purposes at the employer level." He added, "We have talked
to many people in Washington about using it...."

Silverman is reportedly also planning to share his vision on CNBC's
Squawk Box if a slot opens up tomorrow (Friday) morning sometime between
6 and 9 AM Eastern Time. He was originally scheduled to appear on the
show this morning, but technical problems at the Florida studio
prevented his appearance.

The numbering and chipping of people seems like a plot from a dystopian
novel, but the company has gotten the buy-in from highly placed current
and former government officials, including Columbian President Alvaro
Uribe. He reportedly told Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) that he would
consider having microchips implanted into Colombian workers before they
are permitted to enter the United States to work on a seasonal basis.

"The mantra 'chip the foreigners' has little appeal once people realize
the company wants to stamp its 'electronic tattoo' into every one of
us,"
cautions McIntyre. "Electronically branding and tracking visitors
like cattle is VeriChip's excuse to get the government on board. But if
that happens, we'll all be in their sights."

Tommy Thompson, former Secretary of Health and Human Services joined the
board of VeriChip Corporation after leaving his Bush administration
cabinet post. Shortly thereafter, he went on national television
recommending that all Americans get chipped as a way to link to their
medical records. He also suggested the VeriChip could replace military
dog tags, and a spokesman boasted that the company had been in talks
with the Pentagon.


Privacy advocates warn that once people are numbered with a remotely
readable RFID tag like the VeriChip, they can be tracked. Once they can
be tracked, they can be monitored and controlled.

Albrecht and McIntyre, the authors of "Spychips: How Major Corporations
and Government Plan to Track Your Every Move with RFID"
believe the
world's people will stand firm against chipping. "Our country was
founded on principles of freedom and liberty. We're betting that the
American people will see the end game and buck VeriChip's attempts,"
said Albrecht. "We also believe the people of Latin America will rise up
in opposition once they read our book."

The Spanish language version of "Spychips" will be hitting shelves
across Latin America next month.
 

Econ101

Well-known member
I was listening on the radio about how Germany's government had hired reporters to "spy" on other reporters for the German govt. The spying was an attempt for the govt. to stop leaks that were reported in the media.

One of the German lawmakers who was outraged said he had not heard of this type of thing since during the World War II era.

When we have "democratic" governments that are doing such odious things in secret because they know the people are so against them, we are turning more towards the totalitarian regimes of the past.

It is too bad we have so many politicians who know what is happening that are allowing them to get away with it. It doesn't say much for them.
 
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Anonymous

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In the last 5 years we have given up more individual and states rights than we have with any administration since FDR....I'm not convinced it was all for National Security- but think a good part was for Corporate World globalization being sold by the best government money can buy....
 

mrj

Well-known member
What would be wrong with requiring a fingerprin, rather than an invasive chip as ID on drivers licenses/non-driver ID cards?

I do not want people voting multiple times.

I do not want people so easily able to steal ID for criminal activity.

I do not want people able to use fake ID so easily to get into this country and/or to change ID to deter punishment for commiting crimes.

Why is it wrong for Pres. Bush to try to stop serious leaks of information valuable to enemies of this nation.

Don't any of you cringe with shame when seeing media people and Senators and Congressmen on TV saying things about our security that certainly have to give aid and comfort to the terrorists who have publicly sworn to convert us or kill us?

How does using computer programs to flag words, terms, or locales of calls indicating possible security problems ELECTRONICALLY fail to meet criteria for national security vested in the presidency? Why is it wrong for Pres. Bush to use such surveillance, but wasn't for Clinton, et. al to do so? Can you cite the laws broken? How many of you believe people are actually listening to the billions of phone conversations?

We are losing more freedoms to citizens who vote in local zoning laws such as one noted in the Parade magazine to day limiting the square feet people are allowed to build in their new homes than to the various security rules and laws, IMO.

MRJ
 
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Anonymous

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Maxine- maybe this is why many are questioning our administration, the federal government, the bureaucracies, and the whole concept of federal government mandated databasing of their personal info-- a lack of trust.....This appears to be a stupid mistake- but access to some of this info by untrustworthy civil servants or contracted company employees could be worth quite a bit to some people.....That is one reason USDA, whose credibility is already greatly in doubt, needs to step back and reexamine how they are going to handle and PROTECT the mandatory NAIS info they are pushing, before they keep blindly stumbling forward....Hopefully they leave it all with the states- where the individual still has some oversight control..

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Social Security Numbers for Millions of Veterans Stolen From V.A. Official's Home
Monday, May 22, 2006


WASHINGTON — Personal data, including Social Security numbers of 26.5 million U.S. veterans, was stolen from a Veterans Affairs employee this month after he took the information home without authorization, the department said Monday.

Veterans Affairs Secretary Jim Nicholson said there was no evidence so far that the burglars who struck the employee's home have used the personal data — or even know they have it. The employee, a data analyst whom Nicholson would not identify, has been placed on leave pending a review.

"We have a full-scale investigation," said Nicholson, who said the FBI, local law enforcement and the VA inspector general were investigating. "I want to emphasize, there was no medical records of any veteran and no financial information of any veteran that's been compromised."

"We have decided that we must exercise an abundance of caution and make sure our veterans are aware of this incident," he said in a conference call with reporters.

The theft of veterans' names, Social Security numbers and dates of birth comes as the department has come under criticism for shoddy accounting practices and for falling short on the needs of veterans.


Last year, more than 260,000 veterans could not sign up for services because of cost-cutting. Audits also have shown the agency used misleading accounting methods and lacked documentation to prove its claimed savings.

Veterans advocates immediately expressed alarm.

"This was a very serious breach of security for American veterans and their families," said Bob Wallace, executive director of Veterans for Foreign Wars. "We want the VA to show leadership, management and accountability for this breach."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who is a Vietnam veteran, decried the breach and said he would introduce legislation to require the VA to provide credit reports to the veterans affected by the theft.

"This is no way to treat those who have worn the uniform of our country," Kerry said in a statement "Someone needs to be fired, the perpetrators need to be caught and the security system at the VA needs to be massively overhauled."

On Monday, the VA said it was notifying members of Congress and the individual veterans about the burglary. It also set up a call center at 1-800-FED-INFO and Web site, http://www.firstgov.gov, if veterans believe their information has been misused.

It also is stepping up its review of procedures for the use of personal data for many of its employees who telecommute as well as others who must sign disclosure forms showing they are aware of federal privacy laws and the consequences if they're violated.

Nicholson declined to comment on the specifics of the incident, which involved a mid-level career employee who had taken the information home to suburban Maryland — on disks, according to congressional sources who were briefed on the incident — to work on a department project.

The residential community had been a target of a series of burglaries and the employee was victimized earlier this month, according to the FBI in Baltimore, which was investigating the incident.

The material represents personal data of all living veterans who served and have been discharged since 1976, according to the department. The information was included in the veterans' discharge summary that goes into a government database.
 

mrj

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
MRJ - we're not discussing any of those things. We're discussing implanting
an electronic ID under the skin of foreigners trying to sneak into the U.S.

1984.

Sorry I didn't make myself clear enough for you. I was attempting to remove the emotionalism of that invasive chip implanted under the skin.....and pointing out some good reasons for secure, untamperable ID for people, foreign and domestic alike.

MRJ
 

mrj

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Maxine- maybe this is why many are questioning our administration, the federal government, the bureaucracies, and the whole concept of federal government mandated databasing of their personal info-- a lack of trust.....This appears to be a stupid mistake- but access to some of this info by untrustworthy civil servants or contracted company employees could be worth quite a bit to some people.....That is one reason USDA, whose credibility is already greatly in doubt, needs to step back and reexamine how they are going to handle and PROTECT the mandatory NAIS info they are pushing, before they keep blindly stumbling forward....Hopefully they leave it all with the states- where the individual still has some oversight control..

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Social Security Numbers for Millions of Veterans Stolen From V.A. Official's Home
Monday, May 22, 2006


WASHINGTON — Personal data, including Social Security numbers of 26.5 million U.S. veterans, was stolen from a Veterans Affairs employee this month after he took the information home without authorization, the department said Monday.

Veterans Affairs Secretary Jim Nicholson said there was no evidence so far that the burglars who struck the employee's home have used the personal data — or even know they have it. The employee, a data analyst whom Nicholson would not identify, has been placed on leave pending a review.

"We have a full-scale investigation," said Nicholson, who said the FBI, local law enforcement and the VA inspector general were investigating. "I want to emphasize, there was no medical records of any veteran and no financial information of any veteran that's been compromised."

"We have decided that we must exercise an abundance of caution and make sure our veterans are aware of this incident," he said in a conference call with reporters.

The theft of veterans' names, Social Security numbers and dates of birth comes as the department has come under criticism for shoddy accounting practices and for falling short on the needs of veterans.


Last year, more than 260,000 veterans could not sign up for services because of cost-cutting. Audits also have shown the agency used misleading accounting methods and lacked documentation to prove its claimed savings.

Veterans advocates immediately expressed alarm.

"This was a very serious breach of security for American veterans and their families," said Bob Wallace, executive director of Veterans for Foreign Wars. "We want the VA to show leadership, management and accountability for this breach."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who is a Vietnam veteran, decried the breach and said he would introduce legislation to require the VA to provide credit reports to the veterans affected by the theft.

"This is no way to treat those who have worn the uniform of our country," Kerry said in a statement "Someone needs to be fired, the perpetrators need to be caught and the security system at the VA needs to be massively overhauled."

On Monday, the VA said it was notifying members of Congress and the individual veterans about the burglary. It also set up a call center at 1-800-FED-INFO and Web site, http://www.firstgov.gov, if veterans believe their information has been misused.

It also is stepping up its review of procedures for the use of personal data for many of its employees who telecommute as well as others who must sign disclosure forms showing they are aware of federal privacy laws and the consequences if they're violated.

Nicholson declined to comment on the specifics of the incident, which involved a mid-level career employee who had taken the information home to suburban Maryland — on disks, according to congressional sources who were briefed on the incident — to work on a department project.

The residential community had been a target of a series of burglaries and the employee was victimized earlier this month, according to the FBI in Baltimore, which was investigating the incident.

The material represents personal data of all living veterans who served and have been discharged since 1976, according to the department. The information was included in the veterans' discharge summary that goes into a government database.

OT, where you see an administration conspiracy, I see government bureaucratic bumbling, with maybe an occasional thief in the mix! Why did the guy take the files home? Sort of reminds one of Sandy Burger taking those files home in his pants. Wasn't he involved in the Clinton admin.?

Yes, there are too many people keeping files on too many people. The fact that there are so many besides government, however, is more worrisome to me that the fact that there is possible electronic surveillance searching for key words related to terrorist activity. I want more security and more effort going into identifying and locating ALL forms of criminal activity. For far too long liberals have taken rights away from citizens and given criminals more rights than their victims have. It is high time those tables were seriously turned about! For both ordinary crime and terrorist activity.

The reason NCBA members wanted to be involved in NAIS was to ensure exactly what you say you want. To keep the mandatory info limited to what is necessary and assure ONLY the government has access to what is necessary for animal and food safety. And to try to make some value added information available for producers to have all control of that information to sell for their own benefit to recover costs, plus some additional profit for themselves if they so choose.

MRJ

MRJ
 
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Anonymous

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MRJ said:
Oldtimer said:
Maxine- maybe this is why many are questioning our administration, the federal government, the bureaucracies, and the whole concept of federal government mandated databasing of their personal info-- a lack of trust.....This appears to be a stupid mistake- but access to some of this info by untrustworthy civil servants or contracted company employees could be worth quite a bit to some people.....That is one reason USDA, whose credibility is already greatly in doubt, needs to step back and reexamine how they are going to handle and PROTECT the mandatory NAIS info they are pushing, before they keep blindly stumbling forward....Hopefully they leave it all with the states- where the individual still has some oversight control..

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Social Security Numbers for Millions of Veterans Stolen From V.A. Official's Home
Monday, May 22, 2006


WASHINGTON — Personal data, including Social Security numbers of 26.5 million U.S. veterans, was stolen from a Veterans Affairs employee this month after he took the information home without authorization, the department said Monday.

Veterans Affairs Secretary Jim Nicholson said there was no evidence so far that the burglars who struck the employee's home have used the personal data — or even know they have it. The employee, a data analyst whom Nicholson would not identify, has been placed on leave pending a review.

"We have a full-scale investigation," said Nicholson, who said the FBI, local law enforcement and the VA inspector general were investigating. "I want to emphasize, there was no medical records of any veteran and no financial information of any veteran that's been compromised."

"We have decided that we must exercise an abundance of caution and make sure our veterans are aware of this incident," he said in a conference call with reporters.

The theft of veterans' names, Social Security numbers and dates of birth comes as the department has come under criticism for shoddy accounting practices and for falling short on the needs of veterans.


Last year, more than 260,000 veterans could not sign up for services because of cost-cutting. Audits also have shown the agency used misleading accounting methods and lacked documentation to prove its claimed savings.

Veterans advocates immediately expressed alarm.

"This was a very serious breach of security for American veterans and their families," said Bob Wallace, executive director of Veterans for Foreign Wars. "We want the VA to show leadership, management and accountability for this breach."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who is a Vietnam veteran, decried the breach and said he would introduce legislation to require the VA to provide credit reports to the veterans affected by the theft.

"This is no way to treat those who have worn the uniform of our country," Kerry said in a statement "Someone needs to be fired, the perpetrators need to be caught and the security system at the VA needs to be massively overhauled."

On Monday, the VA said it was notifying members of Congress and the individual veterans about the burglary. It also set up a call center at 1-800-FED-INFO and Web site, http://www.firstgov.gov, if veterans believe their information has been misused.

It also is stepping up its review of procedures for the use of personal data for many of its employees who telecommute as well as others who must sign disclosure forms showing they are aware of federal privacy laws and the consequences if they're violated.

Nicholson declined to comment on the specifics of the incident, which involved a mid-level career employee who had taken the information home to suburban Maryland — on disks, according to congressional sources who were briefed on the incident — to work on a department project.

The residential community had been a target of a series of burglaries and the employee was victimized earlier this month, according to the FBI in Baltimore, which was investigating the incident.

The material represents personal data of all living veterans who served and have been discharged since 1976, according to the department. The information was included in the veterans' discharge summary that goes into a government database.

OT, where you see an administration conspiracy, I see government bureaucratic bumbling, with maybe an occasional thief in the mix! Why did the guy take the files home? Sort of reminds one of Sandy Burger taking those files home in his pants. Wasn't he involved in the Clinton admin.?

Yes, there are too many people keeping files on too many people. The fact that there are so many besides government, however, is more worrisome to me that the fact that there is possible electronic surveillance searching for key words related to terrorist activity. I want more security and more effort going into identifying and locating ALL forms of criminal activity. For far too long liberals have taken rights away from citizens and given criminals more rights than their victims have. It is high time those tables were seriously turned about! For both ordinary crime and terrorist activity.

The reason NCBA members wanted to be involved in NAIS was to ensure exactly what you say you want. To keep the mandatory info limited to what is necessary and assure ONLY the government has access to what is necessary for animal and food safety. And to try to make some value added information available for producers to have all control of that information to sell for their own benefit to recover costs, plus some additional profit for themselves if they so choose.

MRJ

MRJ

MRJ- Did I say anything about conspiracy? You have too many of those black helicopters flying around- everything everyone has to say is conspiracy :???: :lol: :lol:

What this article again points out is again the inefficiencies in FEDERAL government and where many get the lack of faith they have in that FEDERAL government (I don't care what politician or political group is in charge)...

I have never ever criticized this administration for its security efforts regarding the war on terrorism (which I truly believe is WW III) or for their actions in the war....I have never said anything about the monitoring of suspected terrorist calls either- in fact I know and have said on here before I was aware it has been going on for sometime now ( at least since the early 90's)..

But I also believe we are going way beyond the point in taking away states rights and individual rights on many domestic issues- I think the control should remain with the states where the lawmakers are more answerable to the individuals and not so much to the PACs and lobbyist dollars.....I think this article also shows the danger involved in storing all info in one location or on one database...

The new technology allows too much info to get into the wrong hands with just a wrong pushed key or misplaced disc...This comes just months after FSA's big leak of confidential farmer info to the news agencies....Now because of another Government screwup involving computer material, every person discharged from the military since 1976 faces a higher risk of identity theft :roll: ....
 
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