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This story was in the Rapid City Journal yesterday. Harold Thune's son John, our senator from SD, is one of my heroes and from this article it's easy to see where he came by his patriotism:

Vet shys from 'hero' label
5-29-06


Harold Thune asked me not to use the "H" word in this column.

It was one of the last things he said during a 45-minute telephone interview Friday afternoon about his battle-zone experiences in World War II.

"If you're writing anything down about a hero status, you scratch it," he said.

This came from a former Navy pilot who shot down four Japanese Zeros and damaged two more during a furious dogfight in the skies over Formosa in 1944. He's the same guy who landed his Grumman F6F Hellcat on temporary landing mats laid on beaches in the Philippines and walked away from a fiery crash after his plane blew a tire on take-off, clipped a coral boulder along a make-shift runaway and exploded.

Then, left for dead by a squadron on the move, he dragged himself from the wreckage, found his way to medical care, had his burns bandaged, bummed a ride back to his unit on an admiral's plane, shocked his squadron commander by appearing at his tent alive and simply resumed his service to country.

Sorry, Harold, but "hero" is a hard word to avoid.

Like so many of his generation, Harold Thune doesn't hide from the word. But he doesn't embrace it, either. It makes him more than a bit uncomfortable, as if the mere mention of heroics might turn him into some Audie Murphy wannabe.

Harold believes he served his country, as did so many others, and was lucky enough to come home alive. In Murdo and towns like it, that's just doing your job.

"I didn't go through near what lots of people did," he said. "And of course, there were those who lost their lives. Somebody said 'war is hell,' and it is."

Today, the 86-year-old father of U.S. Sen. John Thune will represent the generation that knew the hell of World War II during Memorial Day services at the Murdo cemetery south of town. There will be an avenue of flags, an honor guard and a rifle salute "with the rifles that still work. Some of them do and some of them don't," Harold said, chuckling.

But there won't be any misfires in his memory. Harold Thune remembers the war, its horrors and its triumphs in remarkable detail. And today, when he thinks of his own heroes, they will be the men he knew who fought and died for their country.

"I had a couple of very close buddies who were lost," he said. "We had 54 pilots in my fighter squadron, operating in the Philippines area. We lost 12 of the 54, and some of them were very good friends."

It happens quickly in war, as it did that day in October of 1944, over the Island of Formosa, which later became Taiwan. Thune was in his Hellcat as part of an advance fighter sweep hunting enemy military installations on the ground and strafing them with their wing-mounted, 50-caliber machine guns.

"We saw an airstrip below and planes down there, so we started in on that. We didn't know they had fighters sitting up in the clouds above us," Thune said. "As soon as they came out, we got into quite a dogfight. Somebody sees them and hollers 'here come bogeys' on the radio, and away you go."

Most of the action was over in 10 or 15 minutes, Thune said. Although initially surprised by the diving Zeros, the fast-and-maneuverable Hellcats from several aircraft carriers soon took the offensive and shot down 22 Zeros.

"There's a lot of action real quick. And the tide turns pretty quickly in those situations," he said. "We lost four pilots. I'm not sure about the other carriers."

The battle was the most deadly skirmish of the war for Thune. It's one of the stories his son, the senator, likes to tell with both pride and amazement - and more often, perhaps, than his dad would prefer.

"John shouldn't talk so much," Harold said.

It took years and some serious prodding from his five children to persuade Harold to reveal some of the more dramatic details of his military experience.

"He never volunteers that kind of stuff. My brothers and I sort of decided to get that stuff out of him," John Thune said. "They're real reticent, that generation. It was like, 'We did our duty,' and that's that."

When Harold's tour of duty ended, he returned to Murdo with his wife, Pat. They intended to help with the family hardware store "for a while" and then maybe move to Pat's hometown of Minneapolis and see how they liked it there.

"But we never got out of town," Harold said

It wasn't for lack of options. His war experience left open possibilities in the military. And his years of playing basketball for the University of Minnesota gave him useful connections in the Twin Cities.

But Harold doesn't regret the decision to stay in Murdo, where he worked in the hardware store, taught school and helped Pat raise five children and only occasionally talked about the war.

"A small town like this it's a good place to live," he said. "It's a good place to raise kids."

It's a good place to raise heroes, too, even when they won't admit that's what they are.

Contact Kevin Woster at 394-8413 or [email protected].

http://rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2006/05/30/news/columns/918higbee.txt
 
I must have missed the part in this article about Harold Thune being a Republican? Please take time and point it out for me. And what branch of service did your hero, John, serve in? I can't seem to find that information either.
 
I'm not entirely sure what difference it makes which branch he was in, whether it was Navy or Army. He served his country when called.

But I also don't see where political party has any relevance whatsoever.
People from all walks of life, every race, creed and even political affiliation have served their country.

It'd be like calling him a white hero...
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My profound apologies, I am sooooo sorry I didn't make myself clear - I am the Republican and the Thune's, both father and son, are heroes as far as I'm concerned, but the hero I was talking about in the title was Harold and he's a hero no matter what political party he belongs to. What does that asinine question have to do with anything?

I'll type this really slowly so it will settle into your thick skull. Here we go again - I, (that means me, the writer of this post) I am the Republican and Harold Thune, Senator John Thune's father, is the hero I referred to.

Clear enough? Did you get it yet?
 
What does that asinine question have to do with anything?

Easy there, LB. :roll:

Your title creates the question:
Thune - Republican Hero

And call me thick skulled (or whatever other juvenile names you can think of), but this:
I am the Republican and Harold Thune, Senator John Thune's father, is the hero I referred to.
doesn't really make any sense, either.
BTW, if you're actually running for election, you might want to learn how to disagree with people and express a difference of opinion without getting quite so nasty...



But of course that's just a suggestion.
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I realize my title caused confusion and I apologized for that. I guess I'm not too good at making myself plain in other ways either because it was ol' dis' thick skull I was referring to, but if the shoe fits...

Now what part of "I am the Republican and Harold Thune, Senator John Thune's father, is the hero I referred to." don't you understand? I can't type any slower, but maybe I can use shorter words?

I actually am running for election, but that hasn't turned me into a politician yet, so I haven't learned to mince words. I'll continue to say what I think and I guess folks will either like it or they won't.

And I've been meaning to ask - where did you find that stupid, juvenile little shrugging emoticon? It evokes this image of a spoiled, petulant adolescent, devoid of both logic and common sense, and I get this almost overwhelming urge to slap it silly - or at least sillier!! :twisted:
 
Actually Liberty Bellle, I understand that the STORY was about Harold Thune, the WWII hero. But your FIRST sentence in your post was VERY misleading. May I quote

Harold Thune's son John, our senator from SD, is one of my heroes

In this case, you state that Harold Thune's son is one of your heroes. So in reality, you praise John Thune and NOT Harold. The story praises Harold. So that is how we were mislead.

I'm sure it was inadvertent, but it did happen. So don't be so defensive when we READ what you WROTE.
 
the chief said:
Actually Liberty Bellle, I understand that the STORY was about Harold Thune, the WWII hero. But your FIRST sentence in your post was VERY misleading. May I quote

Harold Thune's son John, our senator from SD, is one of my heroes

In this case, you state that Harold Thune's son is one of your heroes. So in reality, you praise John Thune and NOT Harold. The story praises Harold. So that is how we were mislead.

I'm sure it was inadvertent, but it did happen. So don't be so defensive when we READ what you WROTE.

But chief, you took Liberty Belle's statement out of context. She actually said, "Harold Thune's son John, our senator from SD, is one of my heroes and from this article it's easy to see where he came by his patriotism." With the rest of her statement left intact, it makes perfect sense. She admires both John Thune, and his father, Harold. With John Thune being a good Republican, I'd be willing to bet my best hat that his dad, Harold, is also a Republican. The apple doesn't usually fall far from the tree. John Thune is a good guy, as is his father.
 
Well then, Soapweed, she should either put commas in the right position or use "spellcheck" before writing so she doesn't write an incorrect sentence. :wink:
 
Well then, Soapweed, she should either put commas in the right position or use "spellcheck" before writing so she doesn't write an incorrect sentence.
Hey, editor-in-chief, explain to me how spellcheck puts commas where they belong? Would you also tell me what you consider the "right position" for commas in my sentence that would preserve the meaning of my sentence?

I meant to say, and thought I had, that our senator from South Dakota, John Thune, is one of my heroes. I also meant to say that it was easy to see that John's patriotism and love of country was passed on to him from his father, Harold Thune, the military hero in this article. With that information, please feel free to reword my sentence to convey what I was so clumsily trying to relate.

Now, how about we discuss the contents of the article and forget that I even wrote anything to preface it? Do you consider Harold Thune a hero? I'm sure the fact that Harold isn't a registered Democrat upsets dis and HMW no end and they would rather focus our attention elswhere. And isn't that what you're trying to do here?
 
It's just a doggone shame that a story about a great hero has to receive so much flack from the whiners who, I would bet, have never risked their lives for our country. Dis completely missed the comment about Thune being a Navy pilot and chief, LB's grammar is just fine. The comma's are correct. I won't even comment on HMW's arrogance and her irritating little emoticon. Why can't some folks just be thankful and glad that someone else risked their life to protect their freedom to be so obnoxious?

It's a great story LB, and should be applauded, not criticized.
 
This story was in the Rapid City Journal yesterday. Harold Thune's son John, our senator from SD, is one of my heroes and from this article it's easy to see where he came by his patriotism:

Vet shys from 'hero' label
5-29-06

Harold Thune asked me not to use the "H" word in this column.

It was one of the last things he said during a 45-minute telephone interview Friday afternoon about his battle-zone experiences in World War II.

"If you're writing anything down about a hero status, you scratch it," he said.

This came from a former Navy pilot who shot down four Japanese Zeros and damaged two more during a furious dogfight in the skies over Formosa in 1944. He's the same guy who landed his Grumman F6F Hellcat on temporary landing mats laid on beaches in the Philippines and walked away from a fiery crash after his plane blew a tire on take-off, clipped a coral boulder along a make-shift runaway and exploded.

Then, left for dead by a squadron on the move, he dragged himself from the wreckage, found his way to medical care, had his burns bandaged, bummed a ride back to his unit on an admiral's plane, shocked his squadron commander by appearing at his tent alive and simply resumed his service to country.

Sorry, Harold, but "hero" is a hard word to avoid.

Like so many of his generation, Harold Thune doesn't hide from the word. But he doesn't embrace it, either. It makes him more than a bit uncomfortable, as if the mere mention of heroics might turn him into some Audie Murphy wannabe.

Harold believes he served his country, as did so many others, and was lucky enough to come home alive. In Murdo and towns like it, that's just doing your job.

"I didn't go through near what lots of people did," he said. "And of course, there were those who lost their lives. Somebody said 'war is hell,' and it is."

Today, the 86-year-old father of U.S. Sen. John Thune will represent the generation that knew the hell of World War II during Memorial Day services at the Murdo cemetery south of town. There will be an avenue of flags, an honor guard and a rifle salute "with the rifles that still work. Some of them do and some of them don't," Harold said, chuckling.

But there won't be any misfires in his memory. Harold Thune remembers the war, its horrors and its triumphs in remarkable detail. And today, when he thinks of his own heroes, they will be the men he knew who fought and died for their country.

"I had a couple of very close buddies who were lost," he said. "We had 54 pilots in my fighter squadron, operating in the Philippines area. We lost 12 of the 54, and some of them were very good friends."

It happens quickly in war, as it did that day in October of 1944, over the Island of Formosa, which later became Taiwan. Thune was in his Hellcat as part of an advance fighter sweep hunting enemy military installations on the ground and strafing them with their wing-mounted, 50-caliber machine guns.

"We saw an airstrip below and planes down there, so we started in on that. We didn't know they had fighters sitting up in the clouds above us," Thune said. "As soon as they came out, we got into quite a dogfight. Somebody sees them and hollers 'here come bogeys' on the radio, and away you go."

Most of the action was over in 10 or 15 minutes, Thune said. Although initially surprised by the diving Zeros, the fast-and-maneuverable Hellcats from several aircraft carriers soon took the offensive and shot down 22 Zeros.

"There's a lot of action real quick. And the tide turns pretty quickly in those situations," he said. "We lost four pilots. I'm not sure about the other carriers."

The battle was the most deadly skirmish of the war for Thune. It's one of the stories his son, the senator, likes to tell with both pride and amazement - and more often, perhaps, than his dad would prefer.

"John shouldn't talk so much," Harold said.

It took years and some serious prodding from his five children to persuade Harold to reveal some of the more dramatic details of his military experience.

"He never volunteers that kind of stuff. My brothers and I sort of decided to get that stuff out of him," John Thune said. "They're real reticent, that generation. It was like, 'We did our duty,' and that's that."

When Harold's tour of duty ended, he returned to Murdo with his wife, Pat. They intended to help with the family hardware store "for a while" and then maybe move to Pat's hometown of Minneapolis and see how they liked it there.

"But we never got out of town," Harold said

It wasn't for lack of options. His war experience left open possibilities in the military. And his years of playing basketball for the University of Minnesota gave him useful connections in the Twin Cities.

But Harold doesn't regret the decision to stay in Murdo, where he worked in the hardware store, taught school and helped Pat raise five children and only occasionally talked about the war.

"A small town like this it's a good place to live," he said. "It's a good place to raise kids."

It's a good place to raise heroes, too, even when they won't admit that's what they are.

Contact Kevin Woster at 394-8413 or [email protected].

http://rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2006/05/30/news/columns/918higbee.txt
 
Truly LB, look at how you're saying things. You can make the exact same point without name-calling. It's completely unneccessary.
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A shrug is no more spoiled, petulent, etc, etc than any of the standard emoticons that came with the board. It conveys my point of "eh, whatever..." or puzzlement and none of the standard ones do that.

and you're still not making it clear what political party has to do with the price of tea in China.
He couldn't be a hero to Democrats or Nebraska party members or even those with no political affiliations? Democrat war heros can't be heros?

Frankly, I think you made the "Republican Hero" comment as a deliberate dig at people who aren't in your club and later realized that it wasn't a fair comment. It wasn't a big deal, I just didn't think it made sense and said as much.

Red Barn,
I realize it's cool to be snide to me and you must just be trying to fit in, but please try to actually read my comments.

I'm not entirely sure what difference it makes which branch he was in, whether it was Navy or Army. He served his country when called.
Obviously I admired his service, too. But i realize that's not what I was supposed to have said... :roll:

I'm done. This thread was apparently just an excuse to attack people again.
 
Let's stop another derail attempt
This story was in the Rapid City Journal yesterday. Harold Thune's son John, our senator from SD, is one of my heroes and from this article it's easy to see where he came by his patriotism:

Vet shys from 'hero' label
5-29-06

Harold Thune asked me not to use the "H" word in this column.

It was one of the last things he said during a 45-minute telephone interview Friday afternoon about his battle-zone experiences in World War II.

"If you're writing anything down about a hero status, you scratch it," he said.

This came from a former Navy pilot who shot down four Japanese Zeros and damaged two more during a furious dogfight in the skies over Formosa in 1944. He's the same guy who landed his Grumman F6F Hellcat on temporary landing mats laid on beaches in the Philippines and walked away from a fiery crash after his plane blew a tire on take-off, clipped a coral boulder along a make-shift runaway and exploded.

Then, left for dead by a squadron on the move, he dragged himself from the wreckage, found his way to medical care, had his burns bandaged, bummed a ride back to his unit on an admiral's plane, shocked his squadron commander by appearing at his tent alive and simply resumed his service to country.

Sorry, Harold, but "hero" is a hard word to avoid.

Like so many of his generation, Harold Thune doesn't hide from the word. But he doesn't embrace it, either. It makes him more than a bit uncomfortable, as if the mere mention of heroics might turn him into some Audie Murphy wannabe.

Harold believes he served his country, as did so many others, and was lucky enough to come home alive. In Murdo and towns like it, that's just doing your job.

"I didn't go through near what lots of people did," he said. "And of course, there were those who lost their lives. Somebody said 'war is hell,' and it is."

Today, the 86-year-old father of U.S. Sen. John Thune will represent the generation that knew the hell of World War II during Memorial Day services at the Murdo cemetery south of town. There will be an avenue of flags, an honor guard and a rifle salute "with the rifles that still work. Some of them do and some of them don't," Harold said, chuckling.

But there won't be any misfires in his memory. Harold Thune remembers the war, its horrors and its triumphs in remarkable detail. And today, when he thinks of his own heroes, they will be the men he knew who fought and died for their country.

"I had a couple of very close buddies who were lost," he said. "We had 54 pilots in my fighter squadron, operating in the Philippines area. We lost 12 of the 54, and some of them were very good friends."

It happens quickly in war, as it did that day in October of 1944, over the Island of Formosa, which later became Taiwan. Thune was in his Hellcat as part of an advance fighter sweep hunting enemy military installations on the ground and strafing them with their wing-mounted, 50-caliber machine guns.

"We saw an airstrip below and planes down there, so we started in on that. We didn't know they had fighters sitting up in the clouds above us," Thune said. "As soon as they came out, we got into quite a dogfight. Somebody sees them and hollers 'here come bogeys' on the radio, and away you go."

Most of the action was over in 10 or 15 minutes, Thune said. Although initially surprised by the diving Zeros, the fast-and-maneuverable Hellcats from several aircraft carriers soon took the offensive and shot down 22 Zeros.

"There's a lot of action real quick. And the tide turns pretty quickly in those situations," he said. "We lost four pilots. I'm not sure about the other carriers."

The battle was the most deadly skirmish of the war for Thune. It's one of the stories his son, the senator, likes to tell with both pride and amazement - and more often, perhaps, than his dad would prefer.

"John shouldn't talk so much," Harold said.

It took years and some serious prodding from his five children to persuade Harold to reveal some of the more dramatic details of his military experience.

"He never volunteers that kind of stuff. My brothers and I sort of decided to get that stuff out of him," John Thune said. "They're real reticent, that generation. It was like, 'We did our duty,' and that's that."

When Harold's tour of duty ended, he returned to Murdo with his wife, Pat. They intended to help with the family hardware store "for a while" and then maybe move to Pat's hometown of Minneapolis and see how they liked it there.

"But we never got out of town," Harold said

It wasn't for lack of options. His war experience left open possibilities in the military. And his years of playing basketball for the University of Minnesota gave him useful connections in the Twin Cities.

But Harold doesn't regret the decision to stay in Murdo, where he worked in the hardware store, taught school and helped Pat raise five children and only occasionally talked about the war.

"A small town like this it's a good place to live," he said. "It's a good place to raise kids."

It's a good place to raise heroes, too, even when they won't admit that's what they are.

Contact Kevin Woster at 394-8413 or [email protected].

http://rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2006/05/30/news/columns/918higbee.txt
 
Frankly, I think you made the "Republican Hero" comment as a deliberate dig at people who aren't in your club and later realized that it wasn't a fair comment.
Listen honey, if I intend to slam someone, as I have and will again in the future, you and everyone else will be able to tell exactly what I'm doing without having to read things into my statements that weren't there.

I have no tolerance for folks like you and disagreeable in your "club" who post nothing but negative comments against anything pro American or pro conservative. Since I have no more use for liberal Republicans than I do for liberal Democrats, I'm wondering what you consider my "club" to be?

I'm done. This thread was apparently just an excuse to attack people again.
Let me refresh your memory – it was you and dis that used my post to attack me. If it bothers you when someone hits back, don't throw the first punch.

Now go to your room...
 
LIBERTY BELLE: I'll type this really slowly so it will settle into your thick skull. Here we go again - I, (that means me, the writer of this post) I am the Republican and Harold Thune, Senator John Thune's father, is the hero I referred to.

Evidently, I wasn't the only one who misunderstood. I wasn't disagreeing with the article, I just had a problem understanding WHICH of the Thune's was her hero. Here, LB states that Harold Thune is her hero.

LB: Now what part of "I am the Republican and Harold Thune, Senator John Thune's father, is the hero I referred to." don't you understand? I can't type any slower, but maybe I can use shorter words?

Again, Harold Thune is the hero she referred to.

Soapweed wrote
But chief, you took Liberty Belle's statement out of context. She actually said, "Harold Thune's son John, our senator from SD, is one of my heroes and from this article it's easy to see where he came by his patriotism."

Yes, Soapweed, that is what she said, but NOT what she stated above. Yes, his patriotism is justly passed on from his father. And yes, I'm sure both are wonderful, heroic men. But I found her opening statement that you quote here to be contrary to what she stated above. Don't you see it?

I meant to say, and thought I had, that our senator from South Dakota, John Thune, is one of my heroes. I also meant to say that it was easy to see that John's patriotism and love of country was passed on to him from his father, Harold Thune, the military hero in this article. With that information, please feel free to reword my sentence to convey what I was so clumsily trying to relate.

Yes, LB, that is what you said. But above you stated that HAROLD was the hero you referred to. That is where MOST people misunderstood you. It seems that both are heroes to you. So why not say that in the first place.
And yes, I was an EDITOR for five years, so I do know what I am talking about. Sorry to nitpick, but sometimes I find it difficult to follow someone's writing to try and get their point.

LB, I'm glad both are heroes to you. That is wonderful. The fact that both are Republican is irrelevant to me. War heroes are war heroes. God bless them and what they did for America.
 
Liberty Belle said:
Frankly, I think you made the "Republican Hero" comment as a deliberate dig at people who aren't in your club and later realized that it wasn't a fair comment.
Listen honey, if I intend to slam someone, as I have and will again in the future, you and everyone else will be able to tell exactly what I'm doing without having to read things into my statements that weren't there.

I have no tolerance for folks like you and disagreeable in your "club" who post nothing but negative comments against anything pro American or pro conservative. Since I have no more use for liberal Republicans than I do for liberal Democrats, I'm wondering what you consider my "club" to be?

I'm done. This thread was apparently just an excuse to attack people again.
Let me refresh your memory – it was you and dis that used my post to attack me. If it bothers you when someone hits back, don't throw the first punch.

Now go to your room...
Too funny! Gettim LB!
 
Way to go LB

Seems they didn't like the message, so they attacked the messenger. Just shows how shallow their argument is.

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