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Tex

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~SH~ said:
Sandhusker: "Who wants to stop trade?"

R-CALF and company want to stop the importation of Canadian cattle.

Who do you think you're deceiving now Sandhusker ??


R-CALF and Co. went as far as to instill unjustified bse fear in consumers to stop importation of Canadian cattle when we had a domestic case of bse in the US. That's why R-CALF got so fumbled up in court over their "zero tolerance" stance. R-CALF's contradicting positions would be humorous if they were not so damaging.

I'm still waiting for proof to substantiate your claims about the safety of Canadian beef. I guess that's like waiting for you to prove any of your baseless allegations isn't it?


~SH~

Forget the Canadian question. Let us face it, the reason bse spread was that packers sold cattle offal to be fed back to cattle. They should have to pay the costs to Canadians and U.S. producers for any drop in demand because of bse, after all, they are the ones who profited from it in more ways than one. I know you always like to put this in nationalistic terms, SH, because the truth hurts just too much for you and your packer buddies, doesn't it?


Tex
 
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Tex: "Let us face it, the reason bse spread was that packers sold cattle offal to be fed back to cattle."

I see, so it's not the person who feeds the ofal to cattle, it's the person who sells the ofal to feed the cattle. Same-O packer blaming mindset.

Interesting that you admit that the problem with BSE is in the ofal when R-CALF's position is that imported live cattle are unsafe even with the ofal removed.

You should know by now that your positions are bound to contradict eachother when you make it up as you go or blindly follow along with someone else that makes it up as they go.


Tex: "They should have to pay the costs to Canadians and U.S. producers for any drop in demand because of bse, after all, they are the ones who profited from it in more ways than one."

That's total bs!

Packers lost money due to bse too because the NE plants, that relied on Canadian cattle, no longer had those cattle available once their supply of Canadian feeders had run through the system. Try running a plant profitably without cattle. You don't have a clue.

I'm sure you have the packer profit/loss statements at your fingertips too don't you??

I thought so.....


Tex: "I know you always like to put this in nationalistic terms, SH, because the truth hurts just too much for you and your packer buddies, doesn't it?"

You know nothing about truth Tex, if you did, you would know that fact is seperated from fiction within our court systems and the need to blame packers hasn't faired so well in court has it?

Packer buddies?? I don't know anyone in the packing industry outside of USPB employees. Just becasuse I don't join you and your packer blaming buddies in their baseless allegations doesn't mean I have packer buddies. Truth means more to me than populist opinions based on a need to blame.


~SH~
 

Tex

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~SH~ said:
Tex: "Let us face it, the reason bse spread was that packers sold cattle offal to be fed back to cattle."

I see, so it's not the person who feeds the ofal to cattle, it's the person who sells the ofal to feed the cattle. Same-O packer blaming mindset.

Interesting that you admit that the problem with BSE is in the ofal when R-CALF's position is that imported live cattle are unsafe even with the ofal removed.

You should know by now that your positions are bound to contradict eachother when you make it up as you go or blindly follow along with someone else that makes it up as they go.


Tex: "They should have to pay the costs to Canadians and U.S. producers for any drop in demand because of bse, after all, they are the ones who profited from it in more ways than one."

That's total bs!

Packers lost money due to bse too because the NE plants, that relied on Canadian cattle, no longer had those cattle available once their supply of Canadian feeders had run through the system. Try running a plant profitably without cattle. You don't have a clue.

I'm sure you have the packer profit/loss statements at your fingertips too don't you??

I thought so.....


Tex: "I know you always like to put this in nationalistic terms, SH, because the truth hurts just too much for you and your packer buddies, doesn't it?"

You know nothing about truth Tex, if you did, you would know that fact is seperated from fiction within our court systems and the need to blame packers hasn't faired so well in court has it?

Packer buddies?? I don't know anyone in the packing industry outside of USPB employees. Just becasuse I don't join you and your packer blaming buddies in their baseless allegations doesn't mean I have packer buddies. Truth means more to me than populist opinions based on a need to blame.


~SH~

Hey, SH, when you sell a product for a use, it needs to be safe for that use. Obviously you have argued for packers to sell offal to help their profits but then there is no responsibility for selling a contaminated product? C'mon Sh, you are smarter than that. There needs to be accountability here and there isn't.

Tyson more than made up for lost profits by buying some of their cattle from Canada where bse reduced their markets and prices on the hoof and still sold it here in the U.S. unlabeled as if there were no problem. Nice play around the stupid people running government. I guess you are arguing for stupidity once again. Nice play.

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Tex: "Hey, SH, when you sell a product for a use, it needs to be safe for that use. Obviously you have argued for packers to sell offal to help their profits but then there is no responsibility for selling a contaminated product? C'mon Sh, you are smarter than that. There needs to be accountability here and there isn't."

There is accountability. Now that bse has been discovered to be spread by feeding brain and spinal column material from infected bovines in feed, those by-products are no longer fed.

Where have you been?


Tex: "Tyson more than made up for lost profits by buying some of their cattle from Canada where bse reduced their markets and prices on the hoof and still sold it here in the U.S. unlabeled as if there were no problem."

Any profits Tyson made in Canada were more than washed out by their losses in the NE US plants. Make it up as you go.


Tex: "Nice play around the stupid people running government. I guess you are arguing for stupidity once again. Nice play."

If I was arguing for stupidity, I would agree with you.


~SH~
 

Tex

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~SH~ said:
Tex: "Hey, SH, when you sell a product for a use, it needs to be safe for that use. Obviously you have argued for packers to sell offal to help their profits but then there is no responsibility for selling a contaminated product? C'mon Sh, you are smarter than that. There needs to be accountability here and there isn't."

There is accountability. Now that bse has been discovered to be spread by feeding brain and spinal column material from infected bovines in feed, those by-products are no longer fed.

Where have you been?


Tex: "Tyson more than made up for lost profits by buying some of their cattle from Canada where bse reduced their markets and prices on the hoof and still sold it here in the U.S. unlabeled as if there were no problem."

Any profits Tyson made in Canada were more than washed out by their losses in the NE US plants. Make it up as you go.


Tex: "Nice play around the stupid people running government. I guess you are arguing for stupidity once again. Nice play."

If I was arguing for stupidity, I would agree with you.


~SH~

No, Sh, making someone quit an action is not the same as holding them responsible for when they did it previously. That is the problem with someone such as yourself with such a limited vocabulary. You don't know what words actually mean.

Let me ask you, SH, did Tyson make profits when buying cattle on the cheap in Canada from Canadians and then selling the meat as if it were meat from the USA?

This isn't a comparison between any plants profits and losses. It is whether or not Tyson broke the PSA when doing so. In this case, it was not telling U.S. customers that the meat they were selling came from a country that had been snubbed by world markets because packers sold offal previously to feeders that were infected with bse.

Nice try in trying to make the companies who created the problem the heros and not be responsible for their actions. I bet every person who breaks the law could hire such spinmeisters.

You never cease to amaze me at where you get off the stupid wagon to make a case. Arguments of convenience.

Tex
 
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Tex: "No, Sh, making someone quit an action is not the same as holding them responsible for when they did it previously."


Oh, I see, so Tyson should have known that selling spinal column would lead to bse before that fact was discovered???

Ahh......ok?


Tex: "That is the problem with someone such as yourself with such a limited vocabulary. You don't know what words actually mean."

ok.....ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz!


Tex: "Let me ask you, SH, did Tyson make profits when buying cattle on the cheap in Canada from Canadians and then selling the meat as if it were meat from the USA?"

I would assume so. The issue remains, did the profits made in Canada offset the losses to the plants in the NE. The answer is no.

Let me ask you Tex, did Tyson lose money when they couldn't buy cattle to fill their NE plants?? You didn't expect them to truck them from Nebraska and Kansas to Boise, ID did you?


Tex: "This isn't a comparison between any plants profits and losses. It is whether or not Tyson broke the PSA when doing so."

Then why did you bring up the issue of packers profiting from bse?

You can't keep track of your aguments can you?

You better go sip an iced tea, I can see you're not handling this very well.


Tex: "In this case, it was not telling U.S. customers that the meat they were selling came from a country that had been snubbed by world markets because packers sold offal previously to feeders that were infected with bse."

They didn't know the ofal was infected with bse because the source of bse had not yet been discovered. Is there anything you don't blame packers for?


Tex: "Nice try in trying to make the companies who created the problem the heros and not be responsible for their actions. I bet every person who breaks the law could hire such spinmeisters."

How did packers create the problem?? Did they inject bse into the spinal columns to infect cattle? Did they continue to sell ofal containing spinal column and brain material once the source had been discovered.

"BWAME DA PACKAH"


Tex: "you never cease to amaze me at where you get off the stupid wagon to make a case. Arguments of convenience.'

Uh huh.....that would explain your inability to contradict anything I have stated yet with facts to the contrary wouldn't it? Perhaps now is the time to gather a packer blaming support group. Don't worry, they'll be coming to rescue you.


~SH~
 

Tex

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Tex: "No, Sh, making someone quit an action is not the same as holding them responsible for when they did it previously."


Oh, I see, so Tyson should have known that selling spinal column would lead to bse before that fact was discovered???

Ahh......ok?


Tex: "That is the problem with someone such as yourself with such a limited vocabulary. You don't know what words actually mean."

ok.....ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz!


Tex: "Let me ask you, SH, did Tyson make profits when buying cattle on the cheap in Canada from Canadians and then selling the meat as if it were meat from the USA?"

I would assume so. The issue remains, did the profits made in Canada offset the losses to the plants in the NE. The answer is no.

Let me ask you Tex, did Tyson lose money when they couldn't buy cattle to fill their NE plants?? You didn't expect them to truck them from Nebraska and Kansas to Boise, ID did you?


Tex: "This isn't a comparison between any plants profits and losses. It is whether or not Tyson broke the PSA when doing so."

Then why did you bring up the issue of packers profiting from bse?

You can't keep track of your aguments can you?

You better go sip an iced tea, I can see you're not handling this very well.


Tex: "In this case, it was not telling U.S. customers that the meat they were selling came from a country that had been snubbed by world markets because packers sold offal previously to feeders that were infected with bse."

They didn't know the ofal was infected with bse because the source of bse had not yet been discovered. Is there anything you don't blame packers for?


Tex: "Nice try in trying to make the companies who created the problem the heros and not be responsible for their actions. I bet every person who breaks the law could hire such spinmeisters."

How did packers create the problem?? Did they inject bse into the spinal columns to infect cattle? Did they continue to sell ofal containing spinal column and brain material once the source had been discovered.

"BWAME DA PACKAH"


Tex: "you never cease to amaze me at where you get off the stupid wagon to make a case. Arguments of convenience.'

Uh huh.....that would explain your inability to contradict anything I have stated yet with facts to the contrary wouldn't it? Perhaps now is the time to gather a packer blaming support group. Don't worry, they'll be coming to rescue you.


~SH~

SH, how often had offal been fed back to cattle? Do the packers not know the difference between herbivores and carnivores? When they push the natural law to its limits and then it shows up, why is it not their fault if they were the ones doing it? Was it the local pastor's fault? Did someone make them do it? They gained a competitive advantage over others by selling that offal the way they did so they did get an advantage in dollar terms. Did you not push for this policy in your arguments? Did it work out? The secretary of agriculture in the U.S. had to play the puppet role for them. It was a huge embarrassment.

When someone breaks into a bank and holds it up, SH, it really doesn't matter if they didn't get to spend the money they made in the hold up. They are still guilty of hold up. Same for economic hold up.

Have you read the law or do you just make up stuff? Forget it, everyone knows the answer to that question.
 

flounder

Well-known member
Tex said:
~SH~ said:
Sandhusker: "Who wants to stop trade?"

R-CALF and company want to stop the importation of Canadian cattle.

Who do you think you're deceiving now Sandhusker ??


R-CALF and Co. went as far as to instill unjustified bse fear in consumers to stop importation of Canadian cattle when we had a domestic case of bse in the US. That's why R-CALF got so fumbled up in court over their "zero tolerance" stance. R-CALF's contradicting positions would be humorous if they were not so damaging.

I'm still waiting for proof to substantiate your claims about the safety of Canadian beef. I guess that's like waiting for you to prove any of your baseless allegations isn't it?


~SH~

Forget the Canadian question. Let us face it, the reason bse spread was that packers sold cattle offal to be fed back to cattle. They should have to pay the costs to Canadians and U.S. producers for any drop in demand because of bse, after all, they are the ones who profited from it in more ways than one. I know you always like to put this in nationalistic terms, SH, because the truth hurts just too much for you and your packer buddies, doesn't it?


Tex




holy mad cow guys and gals ! we all know why the r-calfers did what they did i.e. sell their soul to the devil, it's $$$, they can claim they are for the little man, but the fact of the matter is, bullard et al thinks it is o.k. to feed animal protein to cattle, IF the USA closes the border to Canada, at least that's how i interpret it. in this man's feeble mind, apparently he thinks it's o.k. to feed USA animal protein to USA cattle, and no mad cows will bring forth there of, and i simply beg to differ. FOR this reason, Bullard shows his hand. ...

all R-CALF wants to do is blame it on Canada, close the border, and then continue to feed ruminant feed to USA cattle, and ignore the TSE problem in the USA bovine, read closely what Bullard says from R-CALF ;

"We either implement this feed ban without any further delay or we stop the source of this problem by removing and reversing the Canadian cattle that continues to enter this country" said Bullard


http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=10171123


http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2009/07/02/ag_news/letters_and_editorial/edit5.txt




May 21, 2009 at 10:33:44

USDA's Lax Import Rules Expose US Cattle to Mad Cow Disease


BY R-CALF USA


snip...


comment ;


R-CALF NEED ONLY BLAME THEMSELVES FOR BSE

The Canadian system is much better than the USA. at least they know. the USA just SHOOTS, SHOVELS, AND SHUTS UP I.E. THE SSS POLICY.


see full text ;


http://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?a=90300&show=votes


http://prionunitusaupdate2008.blogspot.com/2009/04/r-calf-and-usa-mad-cow-problem-dont.html


http://prionunitusaupdate2008.blogspot.com/2009/04/cjd-foundation-sides-with-r-calfers-no.html



Friday, September 4, 2009

FOIA REQUEST ON FEED RECALL PRODUCT 429,128 lbs. feed for ruminant animals may have been contaminated with prohibited material Recall # V-258-2009

http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2009/09/foia-request-on-feed-recall-product.html


Saturday, August 29, 2009

FOIA REQUEST FEED RECALL 2009 Product may have contained prohibited materials Bulk Whole Barley, Recall # V-256-2009

http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2009/08/foia-request-feed-recall-2009-product.html


Sunday, September 6, 2009

MAD COW USA 1997 SECRET VIDEO

SEE ANOTHER VIDEO THAT SHOWED IN CANADA, BUT NOT USA, ABOUT ANOTHER USA TSE COVER-UP

MORE BRAINS NOT TESTED PROPERLY, key brain parts missing. ...

http://madcowusda.blogspot.com/2009/09/mad-cow-usa-1997-video.html


SEE THIS DAMNING VIDEO AT BOTTOM OF ;

Monday, July 27, 2009

U.S.A. HIDING MAD COW DISEASE VICTIMS AS SPORADIC CJD ?

http://creutzfeldt-jakob-disease.blogspot.com/2009/07/usa-hiding-mad-cow-disease-victims-as.html




Wednesday, September 9, 2009

multi-state study of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease Loma Linda University July 9, 1991


http://cjdquestionnaire.blogspot.com/2009/09/multi-state-study-of-creutzfeldt-jakob.html



*** Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Co-existence of scrapie prion protein types 1 and 2 in sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease: its effect on the phenotype and prion-type characteristics

sCJDMM1-2 should be considered as a separate entity at this time.

Thank you very much !

SEE FULL TEXT ;

http://cjdusa.blogspot.com/2009/09/co-existence-of-scrapie-prion-protein.html



BUT WHAT AND WHAT IS THE SOURCE ???



TSS
 

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