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Time for a little Vodka

rkaiser

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Was Vodka invented before the communist's ruled Russia?

Just checking - I've been labeled an Rcalfer and a socialist and I wouldn't want my choice of drink tonight to stereotype me before I even get started.

Let's just say for a moment that Scotty boy is right and the packers actually do not make a whole lot of money killing cattle. We got a packer lover up here on our Canadian chat site saying 21 bucks a head. Not big bucks OKAY Scott, or Agman, or the Big Muddy Duo.

So what should the average cow guy do. Should we just sit back and watch and not say a thing? Should we cheer when Cargill shows a profit and shudder when they show a loss? Despite your beliefs that the packers are our partners, they simply see ranchers as a source for the cheapest commodity they can access. If they can, they do, and will, even bypass this pain in their system by owning cattle themselves.

Should we simply drop to our knees boys - should we let the rules be written by those who believe the packers are the producers white knights?

Funny how a dipshit like myself should need to celebrate a rain with a vodka. My cheque depends on it. Mind you Scott's might too if those gophers don't have any grass to eat.

Any other drinkers out there? Oldtimer - Haymaker? How you boys doing tonight. Do you have those glasses with the American Flag painted on the bottom filled up yet. Every time you tip one up you see that flag and feel a need to blast a Canadian or an Iraqi and overlook the American Nazi that runs your country, bows to the American multinational corporation, and screws the rest of the world.
 
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Anonymous

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No vodka or whishkahey tonite- babysitting two 7 year olds and a 5 year old while their mothers take in the festivities at the Bucking Horse Sale :roll: ...But I am enjoying a beautiful little thunder shower that is rolling thru- must have a quarter inch by now and its still raining a little...Had one that came thru about midnite last night that gave us about a tenth....

Every little bit helps :)
 

HAY MAKER

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Kaiser,if there were just more canadians like you,we could partner and get something done,yes a lil crown going down around here tonite,thats one thing I hafta give to you canuckle heads,you got that whiskey makin down pat :wink: ..................good luck
 

rkaiser

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I knew I could count on you two old coots.

Glad you got a shower Oldtimer - anything growing down there in Texas Haymaker?

Last load of silage going out tommorrow morning. Damn good thing us Canadians get all these government subsidies to get us through those long non growing seasons. :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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I'll drink with you boys, but I'm hitting the iced tea - branded most of the day today and it was hot and dusty. I'm dry, dry, dry.
 

rkaiser

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Branding without Beer Sandhusker - who the hell was the cheeapo that owned the cattle?

R2 you old smoothy - you just gotta be special don't you. Scotch - yukkkk.
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Branding without Beer Sandhusker - who the hell was the cheeapo that owned the cattle?

R2 you old smoothy - you just gotta be special don't you. Scotch - yukkkk.

Oh, no - had a few bud lights after we got done, but that just dehydrates a guy more. This tea with lemon is hitting the spot right now.
 

HAY MAKER

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rkaiser said:
I knew I could count on you two old coots.

Glad you got a shower Oldtimer - anything growing down there in Texas Haymaker?

Last load of silage going out tommorrow morning. Damn good thing us Canadians get all these government subsidies to get us through those long non growing seasons. :lol:

No drier than a jug here in the great state of TX,we had a few showers mid April & first part of May,then it quit,did'nt take long for this TX heat to burn everything up,I might hafta try some of those "guvment "subsidies myself,if I could just find out where the line is.
Had a neighbor that just got back from west TX and he said all that area is void of grass and cattle...........good luck
 

Sandhusker

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HAY MAKER said:
rkaiser said:
I knew I could count on you two old coots.

Glad you got a shower Oldtimer - anything growing down there in Texas Haymaker?

Last load of silage going out tommorrow morning. Damn good thing us Canadians get all these government subsidies to get us through those long non growing seasons. :lol:

No drier than a jug here in the great state of TX,we had a few showers mid April & first part of May,then it quit,did'nt take long for this TX heat to burn everything up,I might hafta try some of those "guvment "subsidies myself,if I could just find out where the line is.
Had a neighbor that just got back from west TX and he said all that area is void of grass and cattle...........good luck

There's truckers here hauling hay from the NE/SD line area to Texas. With $3 fuel, you guys must be needing it pretty bad 'cause that's a looooong way to move hay.
 

HAY MAKER

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Yes sandhusker this damn drought just is never ending,seems like every year we sell down more and more already feel like a damn hobby farmer,but just to dry,every time we get a rain there is talk about rebuilding,been wishful thinking so far..............good luck
 

rkaiser

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Maybe if George builds that wall high enough it will cause some climate change. A little shade on the north side might bring up the humidex.
 

HAY MAKER

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rkaiser said:
Maybe if George builds that wall high enough it will cause some climate change. A little shade on the north side might bring up the humidex.

I got mixed feelings about the fence deal,those mexicans provide alot of cheap labor here in TX,the kind you cant get most folks to do,like build fence in that good ole TX heat.
But I understand the other side of the issue also,plenty of folks complaining about the welfare costs crime etc,maybe with the guard down there it will slow em down a little,I dont believe we will ever stop them,if you ever been over there and saw how they lived you understand what IM talkin about............good luck
 

rkaiser

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Is a Bloody Mary anything like a Caesar R2? I've got a cow called Bloody Marie and had a bull called Caesar ------ In fact the old farmer is actually a Caesar himself ---- Kaiser - Caesar - King --- all the same in my mind.
 
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Anonymous

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RK: "So what should the average cow guy do. Should we just sit back and watch and not say a thing?"

Not say a thing about what?

What's your issue of contention here Randy? That packers exist? The size of the existing packers? That you don't control your destiny by owning the product from pasture to plate?

Before your complaining has any legitimacy you should at least know what you are complaining about.

Do you want more packers who will pay less for cattle due to being less efficient than the larger packers?



RK: "Should we cheer when Cargill shows a profit and shudder when they show a loss?"

That's your decision, I simply focus on the fact that live cattle prices are driven by boxed beef prices and packers pay for cattle according to what packers get for boxed beef.


You have a few clear choices here Randy. If you think the packing industry is so lucrative, you can invest in it. If you don't like that idea, you can try to regulate them out of existance. If you don't like that idea, you can accept that things simply are the way they are.

Nobody has ever blamed their way to prosperity but R-CALF is certainly trying to do just that in the US and you are Canada's version of a packer blamer.


RK: "Despite your beliefs that the packers are our partners, they simply see ranchers as a source for the cheapest commodity they can access. If they can, they do, and will, even bypass this pain in their system by owning cattle themselves."

The fact remains, each packer has to compete with the other packers to get those same cattle bought. If they don't pay up, they don't buy them. The only difference between feedlots bidding on cattle and packers bidding on cattle is the number of bidders. The price is still determined by the price of boxed beef and beef by products. Nothing will change that. Packers are not going to go broke so you can make a few more dollars per head. It doesn't matter whether packers are making $15 per head or losing $10 per head, if the consumer doesn't pay up for beef, the packers can't pay up for cattle.

Your problem is that you cannot face reality. Reality is that the consumer drives this industry, NOT THE PACKER.


Randy K: "Should we simply drop to our knees boys - should we let the rules be written by those who believe the packers are the producers white knights?"

WHAT RULES???

Who thinks the packers are the "white knights"???

Just because some of us refuse to join you in your "thumbsucking" doesn't mean we think packers are "white knights". That's just stupid talk.


Just admit it Randy, you are no different than the R-CULTers in the US. You want to bitch about something and you want to blame something and the packer has always been the chronic bitchers favorite "scapegoat".

The packer is in business to make a profit. If that industry was too profitable, you would see competition naturally crop up. That's what a "free market economy" is all about. The problem is that guys like you who are afraid to compete in a "free market economy" would rather have "BIG BWADDAH GOVAHMENT" come and save you from your "ILLUSIONS" of the success of large, evil corporations.

Poor you!


~SH~
 

rkaiser

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Poor me all right Scotty. You know damn well that I am a doer. I only come here to ranchers to dispel your BS and read your asskisser remarks.

You want to keep telling me that I complain or BWAME or want regulations. Regulations are what puts the mutinational packers in the power situation they are in and you damn well know it. If it were not for a few folks complaining from time to time, the rules would even favour the packers more. Should we let you be the asskissing representative for the rancher at the regulation setting meetings Scott? That would be the day. We would have only one packer before long, and not one family farm left in either one of our countries. Every man would work at an off farm job --- just like you ---, or would contract to the packers for a set margin.

When has regulation making not needed opposition Scott? The packers are not out to help the ranchers. This is not an integrated industry as you seem to believe. We need to stand up and speak out WHILE we make changes on our own.

Now go into you childish rant about my agenda again Scotty boy.
 

Sandhusker

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Scotty, "I simply focus on the fact that live cattle prices are driven by boxed beef prices and packers pay for cattle according to what packers get for boxed beef."

Kaiser, what were your live cattle prices compared to boxed beef in the fall of 2003? Did they parallel each other?
 

rkaiser

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I would have to admit that our margin is likely not a lot different now that he border is open once again. The rise of the dollar and the costs involved with exporting have likely evened things out once again to pre BSE margins.

However - that is not the point. Scott tells us that the reality is in the price consumers will pay for beef. He forgets about the captive supply of beef that that very consumer and the packers themselves have been allowed due to this phoney BSEonomy.

The packers fight BSE testing - WHY - To retain this captive supply. Are they so comfortable with their profits that they don't want to go there?

In Scotts mind, the packer will pay the producer based on the price he gets from the consumer. I say he pays the lowest price he is able to pay with as much manipulation as allowed. If he can control that consumer by screwing with potential sales --- I guess he has proven that he will go that low.

Supply and demand would be nice Scotty, but we live in a world where control plays an even bigger factor and you simply won't admit it.

No regulations in the gopher trapping biz I guess. Scotty can take out as much hose and make as many loops as he wants. Free enterprise at it's finest.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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rkaiser said:
We would have only one packer before long, and not one family farm left in either one of our countries. Every man would work at an off farm job --- just like you ---, or would contract to the packers for a set margin.

Thats exactly what he, and others like him want, Randy. They refuse to look at whats happened to the grain industry in the last 70 years, and use history as a guiding force in their decisions for the future. In another 20 years contract cattlemen will be all thats left if we don't make some changes. In my area alone, its estimated that we have 20,000 packer owned animals on feed.

Hell, Saskatchewan is already down to one packer, even though our herd size is ever increasing. The fats market already favors those producers with large numbers of cattle, just through restrictions on shipping.

Rod
 
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