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Time For A Revolution?

Mike

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There were many factors that hurt Mitt Romney and favored Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election. The Democrats portrayed Romney in the worst light possible; as a wealthy, out of touch millionaire who wanted to return women to the 1800's. The left wing media predictably did everything it could to perpetuate that false caricature. Obama's race was an advantage; voters of all persuasions, particularly minorities, still cannot get over the allure of the first black president. The 47% of Americans on welfare were predisposed to vote for the food stamp president over Romney, wanting the free goodies to keep on giving, despite the long-term unsustainability.

In spite of those odds, polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election. The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office. Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party. Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns? The most realistic explanation is voter fraud in a few swing states. According to the Columbus Dispatch, one out of every five registered voters in Ohio is ineligible to vote. In at least two counties in Ohio, the number of registered voters exceeded the number of eligible adults who are of voting age. In northwestern Ohio's Wood County, there are 109 registered voters for every 100 people eligible to vote. An additional 31 of Ohio's 88 counties have voter registration rates over 90%, which most voting experts regard as suspicious. Obama miraculously won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland, and received over 99% of the vote where GOP inspectors were illegally removed.

The inflated numbers can't just reflect voters who have moved, because the average voting registration level nationwide is only 70%. The vast majority of voters over the 70% level are not voting because they want to, they are voting because someone is getting them to cast a vote, one way or another. Those 31 counties are most likely the largest counties in Ohio, representing a majority of Ohio voters. This means the number of votes cast above the 70% typical voter registration level easily tops 100,000, the margin Obama won Ohio by.

Videographer James O'Keefe, known for his undercover videos exposing left wing fraud, caught a Virginia Democratic Congressman's son on video in October explaining how to commit voter fraud. Patrick Moran, the son of Rep. Jim Moran, told O'Keefe's videographer that in order to make a vote for someone else, you'd need two pieces of identification, such as a utility bill, explaining, "they can fake a utility bill with ease, you know?" He went on to advise the videographer that he should also call the voter and pretend to be a polling company in order to make sure the voter isn't intending to vote. He said that Democrat attorneys would be located in the polling places to assist him if challenged casting one of these illegal votes.

In another video, O'Keefe's videographer tells a DNC staffer from Obama's Organizing for America that she intends to vote in both Texas and Florida. The staffer laughs and says, "It's cool." The staffer then prints out a voter registration form for the undercover videographer and advises her on what to do if she gets caught.

These are just the known instances of attempted voter fraud. How many instances occurred that were not discovered? Obama's Organizing for America looked up voters in swing states – many who would not have bothered voting otherwise – and got them to vote. How did they get them to vote? They may have given them rides to the polls, they may have offered to fill out and return their ballots for them, or they may have voted ballots for the ones who were not going to vote.

Many on the left believe there is nothing wrong with committing fraud in order to ensure Obama's reelection. It is a common tenet on the left that the ends justify the means. Saul Alinsky, the 1960's radical who inspired Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, taught community organizers like Obama that dishonesty is acceptable if it achieves your political goals. And when caught, Alinsky teaches radicals to deny the wrongdoing and change the topic to put their accusers on the defensive. One Obama supporter brazenly posted on Facebook that he was voting four times for Obama, asserting that the ends justify the means.

Aiding Obama's win was a devious suppression of the conservative vote. The conservative-leaning military vote has decreased drastically since 2010 due to the so-called Military Voter Protection Act that was enacted into law the year before. It has made it so difficult for overseas military personnel to obtain absentee ballots that in Virginia and Ohio there has been a 70% decrease in requests for ballots since 2008. In Virginia, almost 30,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots than in 2008. In Ohio, more than 20,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots. This is significant considering Obama won in both states by a little over 100,000 votes.

Voter fraud has been in the works for years. At least 52 employees of the left wing group ACORN have been convicted of voter registration fraud. ACORN itself was convicted of the crime of "compensation," paying its registration canvassers bonuses to exceed their quotas. In 2008, 36% of ACORN's voter registrations were invalidated. Left wing political pundit Chris Matthews admitted last year that pretending to call someone from a polling company, then voting their ballot for them, has been happening in big cities since the 1950's. He admitted he knows that kind of voter fraud takes place in Philadelphia.

Strong-arming people into voting who really have no desire to vote undermines our form of government. People do not choose to vote because they are uninformed about the issues and candidates, are lazy, cynical, or are content with the status quo. Voting someone else's ballot for them is cheating the system and essentially giving yourself two votes.

When people claim that Obama won because the economy was improving, or because Americans generally think he is doing a good job, it is not true. He won through dishonest methods and rhetoric. Many of the votes cast in the swing states were cajoled, some legally and perhaps even more illegally, into supporting him. If voter fraud becomes acceptable, then maybe Donald Trump is right: it's time for a revolution.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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You ever considered that civil war is what their true intent is?

Breaking all these scandals on themselves all at one time- surely they know that it will build anger. And if they get enough people angry enough to do something about it, civil war may become a concern and then either that is the end of itself, or it will create an ability to break out martial law and use of the civil army.

With the rise of islam and the arab spring, the US is one of their biggest threat when a muslim isn't in power. If they can break our ability to respond globally, who will defend Israel?

I think this is all part of a chess game that his been in place for some time.


One thing I know, they are intent on harming the US. To what goal, I don't know and hope we never have to find out.
 

jigs

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if Obama was to somehow instigate a civil war, he could declare martial law, thus he would not have to give up his role as President, citing the stability of the nation is too important....
in a nut shell, he become king / dictator / Messiah... what ever it is he calls himself...

however, I do not see the military sitting by idle for very long....
 

Mike

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A Revolution and a Civil War may be two entirely different things. There was a "Revolt" during the last Illegal Immigrant Amnesty bill, the people stood up in revolt, let their voices be heard, and it was dropped.

A Civil War is what happened when Lincoln invaded Virginia in 1861. Much nastier.

But anyway, this country needs a "Reset" of some sort..................
 

iwannabeacowboy

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jigs said:
if Obama was to somehow instigate a civil war, he could declare martial law, thus he would not have to give up his role as President, citing the stability of the nation is too important....
in a nut shell, he become king / dictator / Messiah... what ever it is he calls himself...

however, I do not see the military sitting by idle for very long....

I know what you are saying, but if he is commander in chief, then it will require people breaking rank to do something about it. That will require some big cajones as the penalty won't be an audit by the IRS.
 

jigs

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from what I have gathered through various unscientific polls, the bulk of the military will NOT go against the public, and will take the risk of doing the right thing
 

Mike

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jigs said:
from what I have gathered through various unscientific polls, the bulk of the military will NOT go against the public, and will take the risk of doing the right thing

The police forces in the big cities will though. They can't wait to shoot someone. Plus a lot of Sheriff Depts.

The SWAT & Tactical teams have itchy fingers............
 

Steve

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but if he is commander in chief, then it will require people breaking rank to do something about it. That will require some big cajones as the penalty won't be an audit by the IRS

many in the forces understand their oath.. and duty..

the oath is to the Constitution.. and in obeying orders "according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice"

havering served.. alot of training is on a "legal order'..

Officers have a shorter oath..

One notable difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers does not include any provision to obey orders; while enlisted personnel are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders, officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States.

they may "hold the order" and enforce a calm until congress acts..

but to shoot on a public... that would not be taken lightly.. and most officers would cite The Posse Comitatus Act,

while it has been weakened over the last few decades.. calling the military to patrol the streets would draw a line and force congress to act...

I believe that is a reason we are seeing many police departments training military style forces.. because deep down the liberals know the military will not follow unlawful orders..
 

Steve

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Time For A Revolution?

if you look at any situation where the military, guard or police over stepped..

often they relied on a crime or perception that a crime had occurred..

my advice.. If you honestly believe that Obama wants to start a civil war.. or incite a revolt.. then let them over react..

but do not respond.. do as many others have done... wait be patient.. and most of all act with calm regard for the law..

that doesn't mean you hand them you guns.. let alone let them know you have a gun.. or ammo.. it means you let them over play their hand.. and calmly with for the overwhelming majority of good citizens to be outraged...

and wait for the backlash.. because if conservatives,.. libertarians and independents see a dictator make his move and the world only sees citizens who respect the law in his path.. his reign will not last but a day..

we are better then he is.. and our Constitution and country are stronger then any one party..
 

Steve

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There was a "Revolt" during the last Illegal Immigrant Amnesty bill, the people stood up in revolt, let their voices be heard, and it was dropped.

sometimes a word can be misconstrued to easily..

I am willing protest any new immigration amnesty bills.. and have no problem going to DC to march in protest.. .and try to get our voices heard..

and do not care if we "need" a permit or not..

but I would not go to a revolt.. not yet... and not as long as I felt our Constitution still stood..
 
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