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Time for Cheney to go hunting

hypocritexposer

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Naomi Wolf seemed to feel that way.

Here's what she had to say about the tyrannical government of Bush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNRFmRaW2YY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.globallyurban.com%2F2009%2F04%2F15%2Fnaomi-wolf-with-jason-bermas-of-infowar%2F&feature=player_embedded

Maybe you missed it, but she also wrote a great book about it Reader.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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I heard Sarah was going to hire him to Guide BO hunting when she invited him to Alaska.

She was going to get Teddy K to drive him around and get Bill C to entertain
the woman folk. :D
 

hypocritexposer

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BMR, did you mean BO the dog. I guess he could retrieve. Master BO has him all trained up and ready to go.

walking-bo.jpg
 

TexasBred

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Two members of al Qaeda were waterboarded 266 times in a single month in violation of the Geneva Conventions as well as other international agreements we are signatories to. Who authorized those memos to be written, Mr. Vice President?

Explain how this violates the Geneva Convention. What about beheading?
 

Mike

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TexasBred said:
Two members of al Qaeda were waterboarded 266 times in a single month in violation of the Geneva Conventions as well as other international agreements we are signatories to. Who authorized those memos to be written, Mr. Vice President?

Explain how this violates the Geneva Convention. What about beheading?

Despite Reports, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Not Waterboarded 183 Times
The number of times Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded was the focus of major media attention -- and highly misleading.
By Joseph Abrams

FOXNews.com

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The "183 times" was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.

It was shocking. And it was highly misleading. The number is a vast inflation, according to information from a U.S. official and the testimony of the terrorists themselves.

A U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation program told FOX News that the much-cited figure represents the number of times water was poured onto Mohammed's face -- not the number of times the CIA applied the simulated-drowning technique on the terror suspect. According to a 2007 Red Cross report, he was subjected a total of "five sessions of ill-treatment."

"The water was poured 183 times -- there were 183 pours," the official explained, adding that "each pour was a matter of seconds."

The Times and dozens of other outlets wrote that the CIA also waterboarded senior Al Qaeda member Abu Zubaydah 83 times, but Zubayda himself, a close associate of Usama bin Laden, told the Red Cross he was waterboarded no more than 10 times.

The confusion stems from language in the Justice Department legal memos that President Obama released on April 16. They contain the numbers, but they fail to explain exactly what they represent.

The memos, spanning from 2002-2005, were a legal review by the Bush administration that approved the use of waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation techniques." Obama banned the procedure on his second day in office, saying that waterboarding is torture.

Click here to see Memo 1 | Memo 2 | Memo 3 | Memo 4

The memos describe the controversial process: a detainee is strapped to a gurney with his head lowered and a cloth placed on his face. Interrogators pour water onto the cloth, which cuts off air flow to the mouth and nostrils, tripping his gag reflex, causing panic and giving him the sensation that he is drowning.

At that point the cloth would be removed, the gurney rotated upright and the detainee would be allowed to breathe. The technique could be repeated a few times during a waterboarding session; Zubaydah said it was generally used once or twice, but he said he was waterboarded three times during one session.

The Justice Department memos described the maximum allowed use of the waterboard on any detainee, based on tactical training given to U.S. troops to resist interrogations:

-- Five days of use in one month, with no more than two "sessions" in a day;
-- Up to six applications (something like a dunk) lasting more than 10 seconds but less than 40 seconds per session;
-- 12 minutes of total "water application" in a 24-hour period

Bloggers who read the memos last week noted that the CIA's math "doesn't add up" -- meaning that the 12 long pours allowed in a day couldn't add up to the 12 minutes mentioned in the memo, and they could barely even guess how the detainees could have been waterboarded an astounding 286 times in one month.

The memos did not note that the sessions would be made up of a number of short pours -- the ones the U.S. official said lasted "a matter of seconds" -- and that created the huge numbers quoted by the New York Times: 183 on Mohamed, 83 on Zubaydah.

Pours, not waterboards.

A close look at a Red Cross report on the interrogations makes the numbers even clearer.

As the Red Cross noted: "The suffocation procedure was applied [to Abu Zubaydah] during five sessions of ill-treatment ... in 2002. During each session, apart from one, the suffocation technique was applied once or twice; on one occasion it was applied three times."

The total number of applications: between eight and 10 -- not the 83 mentioned in the Times.

Mohammed similarly told the Red Cross that "I was also subjected to 'water-boarding' on five occasions, all of which occurred during the first month." Those were his five "sessions"; the precise number of applications is not known but is a fraction of the 183 figure.

All of those individual pours were scrupulously counted by the CIA, according to the memos, to abide by the procedures set up for the waterboardings.

"t is important that every application of the waterboard be thoroughly documented: how long each application (and the entire procedure) lasted, how much water was used in the process," read a memo from May 10, 2005.

Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the only other detainee known to be waterboarded, was not discussed in the memos.

The Times wrote that until the release of the memos, "the precise number" of 286 total waterboardings was not known.

And the precise number of waterboarding sessions is still not known. What is known is that Mohammed was not waterboarded 183 times.

FOX News correspondent Catherine Herridge contributed to this report.

 

hypocritexposer

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reader (the Second) said:
hypocritexposer said:
BMR, did you mean BO the dog. I guess he could retrieve. Master BO has him all trained up and ready to go.

walking-bo.jpg

You are a piece of fluff good for nothing racist bored little nothing hippocutnpaster.

There's the Liberal mentality we've been missing. I suppose if I refer to a female dog, you'll call me a chauvinist!
 

Faster horses

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Gee R2. We must be reading different things. I've never seen anyone DEBATE hypocriteexposer. He's been called NAMES and has been repeatedly attacked for what he posts, but he's not been debated.
That's what he's been asking for...so show me, did I miss something???
 

RobertMac

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reader (the Second) said:
FH - You have missed many attempts at discussion, all of which have ended in personal insults from the right wingnuts. There is no debating people who invent the facts or twist any fact whatsoever.

I pity you if hippo cut n paste is your role model as far as intelligent political thought goes, truly, I feel sorry for you.

The difference is that hypo knows Obama can't walk on water.

Still waiting on the "intelligent political thought"....
 

RobertMac

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reader (the Second) said:
The only people using the phrases "walk on water" and "Messiah" with respect to Obama have been Mikey KKK, Sandhusker, and hippo cut n paster.

The people who voted Democrat who post here have not claimed these things and when they disagreed with Obama or felt that a choice he made while politically expedient was unfortunate, have said so.

You all argue via ASSERTION basically. You assert that liberals believe such and such.

Anyway as fff says, it really doesn't matter. hippo cut n paster is a Canadian and didn't even vote for either McCain or Obama and the rest of you LOST because the policies of your party were voted out by the voters.
Tell me how that piece of crap 'cut and paste' you did is any different from any other that is posted here? If you believe that to be truthful, you're politically vacuous!
 

aplusmnt

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I agree he should go away and take Al Gore and Bill Clinton with him, they been removed for 8 years now and still see their ugly faces on the news constantly.

Only difference is Cheney is talking about protecting this country and Gore is talking about raping it with the hoax of Global warming. :roll:
 

RobertMac

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reader (the Second) said:
hippo cut n paster is one of a kind, Robert Mac. I would never think of rivaling him in either cut n paste ability nor in vacuity.

He gets his stuff directly from the Deity, I heard :wink: :wink: :wink:
If you believe the partisan piece you posted to start this thread, there is no comparison in vacuity!
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
FH - You have missed many attempts at discussion, all of which have ended in personal insults from the right wingnuts. There is no debating people who invent the facts or twist any fact whatsoever.

I pity you if hippo cut n paste is your role model as far as intelligent political thought goes, truly, I feel sorry for you.

its is to nice of day to ague with you, so I'll put it right to the point.. after reading your posts in this thread,.. so take your elitist crap and shove it up your fat butt... :wink:
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
Thank you Steve for confirming that you too are of the personal insults are the right way to argue with a liberal biatch school :D

How sweet of you to run to your boy's aid.


actually I agree hypo posts to much.. and I also believed OT, Disagreeable and several others did as well.. but I am for for free uncensored speech.. so you could hardly say I ran to his aid,.. or to faster horses,..

I was only responding to your insult towards him and your comments... in this post on on a few other threads where you insulted and have tried to paint all conservatives as racists, extremists, religious zealots or unintelligent.. maybe had you actually debated ever instead of posting condescending crap from Huffington, I might have been more polite is my response..

but you didn't so I lowered myself to your level in hopes of breaking though to you in a language you might understand.. a language you use all to often at PB.. but clearly that didn't work either... as you just don't have the faculties to understand your own ignorance..
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
speaking of Body Odor, at the rate that hippo-cut-n-paster posts, he must reek :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: No time for a shower since he is the defender of freedom.


insulting a person for no good reason is incredibly poor taste.
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
You are a piece of fluff good for nothing racist bored little nothing hippocutnpaster.

again... insulting a person for no good reason is incredibly poor taste.
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
No, I expect your boy Mike to make the comments about the liberal Jewish biatch... oh I forgot the FAT liberal biatch :lol: :lol: :lol:

Time to call a spade a spade, you have only two types --

inundate PB with fear mongering cut and pastes

throw personal insults at anyone who you disagree with and use stupid stunts like photos of the President and his dog ...

Bottom line boy is that you are a pathetic bored loser who is ruining all debate here, along with your KKK buddy Mikey.

I can't wait until you start posting threads about The Rapture being the end goal of the swine flu plot

Sandhusker looks like a hero compared to you two stooges. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Your drivel has lowered the tenor of discussion here to The National Enquirer.

again,... and again... insulting a person for no good reason is incredibly poor taste.
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
FH - You have missed many attempts at discussion, all of which have ended in personal insults from the right wingnuts. There is no debating people who invent the facts or twist any fact whatsoever.

I pity you if hippo cut n paste is your role model as far as intelligent political thought goes, truly, I feel sorry for you.

while I doubt Faster Horses needs you pity... nor my defending her..


insulting a person for no good reason is incredibly poor taste.
 

Steve

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RobertMac said:
reader (the Second) said:
hippo cut n paster is one of a kind, Robert Mac. I would never think of rivaling him in either cut n paste ability nor in vacuity.

He gets his stuff directly from the Deity, I heard :wink: :wink: :wink:
If you believe the partisan piece you posted to start this thread, there is no comparison in vacuity!

you hit that one on the head RM..
 

Steve

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Steve said:
reader (the Second) said:
FH - You have missed many attempts at discussion, all of which have ended in personal insults from the right wingnuts. There is no debating people who invent the facts or twist any fact whatsoever.

I pity you if hippo cut n paste is your role model as far as intelligent political thought goes, truly, I feel sorry for you.

its is to nice of day to ague with you, so I'll put it right to the point.. after reading your posts in this thread,.. so take your elitist crap and shove it up your fat butt... :wink:
 
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