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Time To Bring Them Home

Ben H

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Time To Bring Them Home
Friday , June 06, 2008

By Col. David Hunt
That’s right, bring the troops home now. Its over, the bad guys won, terrorism is victorious, we have been defeated!

I never thought I would write such words, ever. But then again, I never thought I would ever hear the president of the United States apologize for the actions of one soldier. I never imagined, even as bad as the military leadership has been in this war (and it has been awful), that a two-star general in the United States Army would utter the words, “I come before you seeking your forgiveness … I look in your eyes today and say please forgive me and my solders.”

The presidential and general officer apologies, and the pictures of a U.S. Army Officer kissing the Koran and handing it to an Iraqi, should tell us that this war is over. These defeatist words were a completely wrong headed reaction to the criminal activities of an ignorant, ill disciplined soldier who shot at a Koran and wrote graffiti on its pages.

For a general officer in today’s military to make such a statement, as Major General Hammond did last week, he would first have to clear it with his three-star boss, who would have to clear it with his four-star boss who would have to clear it with his secretary of defense boss. And, after hearing the president utter the words of apology, it is clear that this one general’s remarks were cleared all the way to the White House.

All this checking with bosses does not occur in a vacuum; the generals and their boss’ staffs talk before, during and after such an event. All actions of our military, especially anything that even hints at a political action, are approved on a computer, on the phone or with a fax. The point here is that what happened with the Koran and how our government dealt with it was cleared all the way back to the president of the United States. Things that are cleared by the White House become policy, so I am saying our “policy” is one of apology not victory.

Hell, when the president speaks, his words can become policy. So we can all now more see clearly that this administration is so strangled by politics and political correctness that it cannot see beyond the actions of one soldier or get that when a nation has to apologize for stupidity it is seen as less than by our enemies, not serious, not worthy. The nation that apologies in this manner is not interested in winning.

If we are not in this for victory then stop throwing our soldiers lives away, bring them home now.

Our military leaders have zero independent thought and even less action, this incident with the Koran apology is emblematic of why we have as a nation have been losing this war, despite the bravery of our soldiers. Did I mention that the president apologized? We have had over 4,000 soldiers die and more than 35,000 soldiers wounded defending Iraq and one of our soldiers makes a mistake and we kiss the Koran and beg for forgiveness? You have got to be kidding me. We have this recent success in Iraq with Basra and Al Anbar Province and we celebrate these successes with an APOLOGY? Don’t blame the press or another political party, neither of them had a damn thing to do with this incident or the insipid policies that led to it.

We have lost the high ground, we have lost our clarity, and we have become weak and unworthy of the sacrifice of our soldiers. You cannot have soldiers dying on the battlefield on one hand and generals and presidents apologizing for those same brave soldier’s mistakes on the other. Does anyone see a problem here? My fear is that this incident has gone completely unnoticed and that the rest of us are paying more attention to “American Idol” than to this war. I pray I am wrong. I pray we are worthy of our soldiers. I pray that we are the people we imagine ourselves to be.

Get this, war is an ugly thing but there are some things uglier, one of them happened on 9/11, we seemed to have forgotten that.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,364162,00.html

This BS is one of the reasons I didn't reenlist. I'm ready to fight political correctness. Here is a link to a good lecture on that topic.

http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html
 
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Anonymous

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Yep- Turned into a 2nd Vietnam--which GW/Cheney/Rummy/Wolfowitz/etal said they would never do- but then turned around and micromanaged/misplanned it right back into one.... :(
 

jigs

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if this war is lost, then it will be lost the same way Vietnam was lost. not on the battle field, but by a-holes in DC who think they know everything. just announce to the world that the US govt. is turning loose our military to fight how it wants. hold the locks on the nukes, but give them everything else.

war over in 6 weeks.
 

kolanuraven

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Why all this " war talk"???

Remember MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, the banner, the band playing, the flight suit with the stuffed crotch :roll: :roll: and all that razza-ma-tazz????????

Even your leader A Minus declared the war won....
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
Why all this " war talk"???

Remember MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, the banner, the band playing, the flight suit with the stuffed crotch :roll: :roll: and all that razza-ma-tazz????????

Even your leader A Minus declared the war won....

Notce how Kolouraven paid attention to the STUFFFED CROTCH, no wonder she is sooooo screw up, she notices things like that but not things that are important to the world in general!
Was it lust at first sight Kolanraven?? :D :D Were you comparing him with Bill in that department? :D :D :D
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Why all this " war talk"???

Remember MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, the banner, the band playing, the flight suit with the stuffed crotch :roll: :roll: and all that razza-ma-tazz????????

Even your leader A Minus declared the war won....

Depends on which war you are referring to?

War with Saddam and the Iraqi army is over, kicked their butts in record time, and the proof is in our occupying of their country and the hanging of their leader.

Now the war on Terror will probably never be over for years to come, that is why it is important we maintain a strong hold and presence in the breeding grounds for these Terrorist.

But conveniently for you liberals you can package the two wars together as propaganda for your liberal causes.

You do remember an occupying of Japan and Germany after History declared War over do you not? Seems like we may even have a soldier or two over there?
 
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Anonymous

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I watched the hearings the other day- when several Congressmen held hearings with some Iraqi Parliament members- about what should be the long term committment with Iraq...

Both countries were in agreement on one issue-- both of the Presidents (Mylaki and Bush) were going against their Constitutions and their laws by trying to make a secret treaty to require/allow the US to build bases in and committ to staying in Iraq for a long time period WITHOUT including Congressional/Parliamentary oversight/approval....

The two Parliament members carried a letter signed by 138 members of the Iraqi Parliament supporting them....

They also both testified that it was their belief- and the belief of many in Parliament that as soon as foreign occupation troops left- much of the violence would quit- as that most of it is aimed at the foreign occupation- and many of the terrorists/militants are foreigners coming into their country to challenge the foreign military occupation...
Both thought their government/military would be able to stand on its own within a year- and wanted no foreign military left to stir up the militants...
(I'm not so sure I bought all that story- as it seemed each had their own agendas they thought they could fullfill if the US wasn't there protecting Maliki.)

But it was interesting to listen to the A-hole reaming that GW Bush got by all the Congressmen- but most heavily by 3 of the Congressmen- for his Iraqi misinformation, lack of openness and transparency, especially with Congress- and especially his attempts to go behind the backs of Congress and negotiate a foreign treaty which ties us to an unknown committment to Iraq (the Constitution requires all foreign treaties/committments to be agreed upon and ratified by Congress)....

The 3 Congressmen were 3 of the most conservative- and all Republicans- Walker B Jones of N.C., Ron Paul of Texas, and Dana Rohrabacher of California....

I have to give them a big ATTA BOY for some Repubs finally getting some backbone- and actually questioning/challenging the lawbreaking that GW has done his entire term...
:clap:

And it sure didn't sound like them, Congress, or the American people want to be committed or tied down to 100 years in Iraq like some folk speak of- nor does it sound like the Iraqis want us...... :(
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Why all this " war talk"???

Remember MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, the banner, the band playing, the flight suit with the stuffed crotch :roll: :roll: and all that razza-ma-tazz????????

Even your leader A Minus declared the war won....

Depends on which war you are referring to?

War with Saddam and the Iraqi army is over, kicked their butts in record time, and the proof is in our occupying of their country and the hanging of their leader.

Now the war on Terror will probably never be over for years to come, that is why it is important we maintain a strong hold and presence in the breeding grounds for these Terrorist.

But conveniently for you liberals you can package the two wars together as propaganda for your liberal causes.

You do remember an occupying of Japan and Germany after History declared War over do you not? Seems like we may even have a soldier or two over there?




You should ask which war yourself,as there are two wars. It seems that you Rep's seem to FORGET the other war.....the ' real' one in Afghanistan!

That ' war' is never mentioned and due to that fact the Taliban have gained a strong foothold again.

All you want to believe is that Iraq is responsible for 9-11, just cause Dubya said it. Pitiful!!
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
All you want to believe is that Iraq is responsible for 9-11, just cause Dubya said it. Pitiful!!

Why say what I believe when you can ask me, I may have a little bit more accurate understanding on what I think than you do. :roll:

I bet you are one of those people that change your oil when the motor blows on the car? I know Bill Clinton was, no matter how loud the knocking noise got he just turned up the radio and ignored it.

I believe in preventive maintenance, Iraq was preventive maintenance and Iran also will be. These countries with Radical Muslim leaders need to pay attention to Leaders like Bush and McCain who will not wait to see if those making threats are just joking or not.

Along with getting what I think wrong, I believe you got it wrong on Bush also, not sure I ever saw were he claimed Iraq was the cause of 911?
 
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Anonymous

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Oldtimer said:
I watched the hearings the other day- when several Congressmen held hearings with some Iraqi Parliament members- about what should be the long term committment with Iraq...

Both countries were in agreement on one issue-- both of the Presidents (Mylaki and Bush) were going against their Constitutions and their laws by trying to make a secret treaty to require/allow the US to build bases in and committ to staying in Iraq for a long time period WITHOUT including Congressional/Parliamentary oversight/approval....

The two Parliament members carried a letter signed by 138 members of the Iraqi Parliament supporting them....

They also both testified that it was their belief- and the belief of many in Parliament that as soon as foreign occupation troops left- much of the violence would quit- as that most of it is aimed at the foreign occupation- and many of the terrorists/militants are foreigners coming into their country to challenge the foreign military occupation...
Both thought their government/military would be able to stand on its own within a year- and wanted no foreign military left to stir up the militants...
(I'm not so sure I bought all that story- as it seemed each had their own agendas they thought they could fullfill if the US wasn't there protecting Maliki.)

But it was interesting to listen to the A-hole reaming that GW Bush got by all the Congressmen- but most heavily by 3 of the Congressmen- for his Iraqi misinformation, lack of openness and transparency, especially with Congress- and especially his attempts to go behind the backs of Congress and negotiate a foreign treaty which ties us to an unknown committment to Iraq (the Constitution requires all foreign treaties/committments to be agreed upon and ratified by Congress)....

The 3 Congressmen were 3 of the most conservative- and all Republicans- Walker B Jones of N.C., Ron Paul of Texas, and Dana Rohrabacher of California....

I have to give them a big ATTA BOY for some Repubs finally getting some backbone- and actually questioning/challenging the lawbreaking that GW has done his entire term...
:clap:

And it sure didn't sound like them, Congress, or the American people want to be committed or tied down to 100 years in Iraq like some folk speak of- nor does it sound like the Iraqis want us...... :(

From the article Kola posted in another thread....Sounds like besides the 138 Parliament members, some Iraqis don't trust Malaki as much as most Americans and many Congressmen don't trust GW... :wink:


His remarks come as the United States and Iraq are trying to reach a bilateral agreement on how long the U.S. military will remain in Iraq and what role it will play in Iraq's security.

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The proposed U.S.-Iraqi pact has triggered street protests in Iraq, where many suspect the deal could lead to the establishment of permanent American bases, a long-term presence of U.S. troops and a weakening of Iraqi government control over those troops.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.iran/index.html
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Mike said:
OT is quoting himself now?

Boy, he HAS lost all sense of balance, hasn't he? :lol:

I think he has Mad Cow! We should probably start taking it easier on him, its not nice to make fun of people with mental disorders.
 
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aplusmnt said:
Mike said:
OT is quoting himself now?

Boy, he HAS lost all sense of balance, hasn't he? :lol:

I think he has Mad Cow! We should probably start taking it easier on him, its not nice to make fun of people with mental disorders.

I just didn't want you Bush Backside Kissers to miss out on this article- and how King George is again trying to go around the law and subvert the Constitution not only of this country- but of Iraq too in his little secret run oil industry initiated war....

And of how not only have most the Dems, but now some of the conservative Repubs starting to realize how dangerous and crooked this man is to the country......
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
Mike said:
OT is quoting himself now?

Boy, he HAS lost all sense of balance, hasn't he? :lol:

I think he has Mad Cow! We should probably start taking it easier on him, its not nice to make fun of people with mental disorders.

I just didn't want you Bush Backside Kissers to miss out on this article- and how King George is again trying to go around the law and subvert the Constitution not only of this country- but of Iraq too in his little secret run oil industry initiated war....

And of how not only have most the Dems, but now some of the conservative Repubs starting to realize how dangerous and crooked this man is to the country......

Yea not only mad cow , he is so confused he thinks we are still under the throne of England and that george is the king :roll:
He doesn't realize that the Queen rules England now!! :D :D
Wonder if he wore a suit of armor when he was the sheriff of Notingham?
Opps that was Valley Montana, population of about 5000 when he was the protector.
 
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