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Anonymous

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I don't agree with my honorable Senator too often (he's a globalist freetrader)- but he did bring up something that after sitting on numerous wage boards, school boards, and years of negotiations with unions, I have to agree with him on...
He said "that the world perception is that the US cannot compete in manufacturing or in any production of profits--and that when he talked to management in other countries of what the US could do to fix this- their answer was fix your health care system that is such a high cost to the business's and fund/provide more higher education for your youth"...

He also needs an ATTA-BOY for fighting to close all the tax loopholes that many of the wealthy and corporate entities are using to avoid US taxes... :D
But naturally GW opposes that as it effects his elitist buddies.... :wink: :(


He said he feared that the United States is beginning to lose its clout in the world, in part because of growing health care costs, which encumber the U.S. government and corporations, and the country's underfunded educational system.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/03/19/news/state/28-baucus.txt
 

Mike

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and the country's underfunded educational system.

I could not disagree more with him on this notion. Here in my part of the planet, the public schools spend around $7,500.00 per year on each pupil with less than tantalizing results.

The local private schools that get no public money actually do a better job on less than half of that. The graduation rate is double that of public schools and the college enrollment figures are nearly triple.

I do not know what the immediate answer is for the public school situation, but I do know that throwing more money at them won't help.

I think maybe the attitude at home could be a huge factor?

When I see that my taxes are spent responsibly, I will agree to higher taxes.
 
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Mike said:
and the country's underfunded educational system.

I could not disagree more with him on this notion. Here in my part of the planet, the public schools spend around $7,500.00 per year on each pupil with less than tantalizing results.

The local private schools that get no public money actually do a better job on less than half of that. The graduation rate is double that of public schools and the college enrollment figures are nearly triple.

I do not know what the immediate answer is for the public school situation, but I do know that throwing more money at them won't help.

I think maybe the attitude at home could be a huge factor?

When I see that my taxes are spent responsibly, I will agree to higher taxes.

Your getting ripped off there Mike-- I just called the Supe (since its been awhile since I was on the school board and costs then were around $3500-4000 student) and he says it is now just under $6000- which with summer school for those behind, and the gifted and talented classes breaks down to $16 day per student....

And Montana is consistenly above average on test scores and is the 10th ranking state for % graduating- and would be much higher if half the State wasn't part of one of our 7 Indian Reservations..

Montana ranks No. 10 in the nation in graduation success, with 79 percent of students graduating, well above the national average of 69 percent. Montana's neighbors are also above average, with North Dakota ranking first in the nation. Graduation rates are much lower for Native Americans, and Montana is below average among the 42 states that report separate rates for this group. Thus, while Montana's overall performance is strong, Native Americans in Montana and surrounding states fare much worse.

But what I think Max was talking about- and I was, was the lack of post high school education- and the huge costs associated with that...And the amount of money a student has to go in debt to these questionable lending institutions to get access to further education...Many parts of the world are making secondary education (college or technical) available to all who wish to partake of it- and that is the reason these countries are surpassing us...In the long run I think it would benefit the country as a whole greatly...

Problem is- now we are going backwards- with even the military now lowering their recruiting requirements- and 25% of their new recruits not even having a High School Diploma.... :(

Must be the new GW image for education- you don't have to be able to talk, read, or spell "recession" and you can even be President :shock: - just be a dummy- ignore all laws you don't like- and lie with a straight face :roll: :wink: :lol:
 

Mike

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2004-2005
Montana ranks 28th nationally in spending per student K-12 -$8025.00
Montana ranks 45th nationally in teacher pay -$38,485.00

and he says it is now just under $6000

Making up $hit again? :lol: :lol: Or have the costs gone down?

http://www.nea.org/edstats/RankFull06b.htm
 
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Mike said:
2004-2005
Montana ranks 28th nationally in spending per student K-12 -$8025.00
Montana ranks 45th nationally in teacher pay -$38,485.00

and he says it is now just under $6000

Making up $hit again? :lol: :lol: Or have the costs gone down?

http://www.nea.org/edstats/RankFull06b.htm

Thats exactly what he said the local district costs....You can call him- his name is Superintendent Hagener- and his phone # is 406-228-2406...
 

Red Robin

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The supers can't even do math. No wonder you don't get anything in montana for a 15% increase. :lol: Or maybe he doesn't know his costs.
 

Mike

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Red Robin said:
The supers can't even do math. No wonder you don't get anything in montana for a 15% increase. :lol: Or maybe he doesn't know his costs.

Yea. And it's Bush's Fault!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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And as you mentioned in the other thread- I can't quit googling- I'd quit learning-- and then might want to become a Republican :wink: :lol: :lol: :p

Before I called the Supe up- I found these interesting facts about the hometown....

As you can see I live in a diverse and lower income area of the world...

I knew German was the biggest ancestry of the county as they announced that on the radio on St Paddy's day- with Irish being 4th following Native Americans....


Household income:

Less than $10,000: 196
$10,000 to $14,999: 123
$15,000 to $19,999: 169
$20,000 to $24,999: 101
$25,000 to $29,999: 100
$30,000 to $34,999: 116
$35,000 to $39,999: 63
$40,000 to $44,999: 92
$45,000 to $49,999: 70
$50,000 to $59,999: 135
$60,000 to $74,999: 104
$75,000 to $99,999: 94
$100,000 to $124,999: 15
$125,000 to $149,999: 13
$150,000 to $199,999: 9
$200,000 or more: 0





First ancestries reported:

German: 885
Norwegian: 656
United States or Native American: 212
Irish: 202
English: 135
French (except Basque): 109
Swedish: 70
Scottish: 46
Scotch-Irish: 44
Italian: 42
Czech: 35
French Canadian: 31
Danish: 24
Austrian: 18
Polish: 13
Northern European: 11
Greek: 10
British: 9
Russian: 9
Basque: 7
Dutch: 7
Lithuanian: 7
Swiss: 7
 

Faster horses

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Was that just the town, OT? Cuz I can't imagine not having anyone over $200,000 with the large ranches that are up in your country.

Montana spends way too much of its education funds on SPORTS.
I could curl you hair with stuff that goes on in the name of SPORTS.

Education should be #1; not SPORTS.
 
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Faster horses said:
Was that just the town, OT? Cuz I can't imagine not having anyone over $200,000 with the large ranches that are up in your country.

Montana spends way too much of its education funds on SPORTS.
I could curl you hair with stuff that goes on in the name of SPORTS.

Education should be #1; not SPORTS.

2005--and that is the county---And some of those big ranchers aren't- and the ranchs aren't owned by the rancher anymore- just managed by them for corporate absentee owners...Altho it is surprising that a few of those big wheat farmers don't fall in there- but the price of wheat around that time period was no money maker :( ...

Historically wages/salaries are lower in this area- It wasn't long ago I know the median household income was around $30,000 ($34,200 in 2005) - while the national was well over $40,000....And some of the neighboring counties were barely in the $20,000 range...Garfield, Petroleum and about 4 or 5 other counties in this area were listed on the top 20 lowest median income counties in the nation in one report I saw a couple of years ago :shock: ...

And I do agree with you about sports...Way too much payed to them- but the taxpayers keep voting for them and to fund them...Problem is that as more schools lose their sports- they lose their identity- and eventually their schools- and then the towns might as well roll up the sidewalks.... :(
 

mrj

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There is a difference between various school districts in cost of education per child, grades K-12, at least in SD.

The figures on the nea link are for AVERAGEs across each state.

It' averages $7,536.00 per student for SD, but I believe there are schools spending well over that amount............and probably not educating as well as those spending at the bottom.

It would be interesting if there were across the page comparisons of all those figures, plus the division of funds spent for administration, teachers, buildings, materials for teaching, and the test scores for the students to help see what we are getting for all those dollars.

FH, I know there also is a great difference in costs of sports between school districts. When Midland still had a school, parents provided a majority of transportation, coaches were teachers first, and coaching 'wages' were pretty small, PLUS the income from home games was significant for the school. And I believe that is pretty much the case in the smallest, more rural districts in western SD, at least.

And places where there is lack of parental involvement DO have more problems, students with lower grades, and lower graduation rates. I would venture many of the smallest schools in this area have nearly 100% grad. rate.

mrj
 

Steve

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and the country's underfunded educational system.

OldTimer
Your getting ripped off there Mike


I had just posted this a week or so back.. in our district the per child cost is nearly $20,000

so how does over- funded fit into this??

our district is hemorrhaging cash.. and failing students..

So are we getting ripped off or is the education system underfunded?
 
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Steve said:
So are we getting ripped off or is the education system underfunded?

I'd say getting ripped off...Send it this way so we can send some of our high percentage of kids that graduate thru the secondary education they want- but can't afford....
 

Faster horses

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Odd isn't it...when you go to the High School and the students cars are all fancier than the teachers cars.

Maybe it's priorities...cars first over higher education...

Just thought I'd mention it. I don't know of 1 school where this
isn't apparant. And just go downtown when school lets out.
Who has all the money?
 

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