P Joe
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SHAWN said:
Why don't you answer this LB.
I've only posted the rules twice now for you. It will work as your retraction :lol:Tony and some legislator.
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Why don't you answer this LB.
I've only posted the rules twice now for you. It will work as your retraction :lol:Happy go lucky
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Shawn what happens is up to each state! In Iowa,SD and others you have the right to go onto private property unarmed and pick it up. The courts have decided this issue.
I guess as your a paid guide you see little problem with pay to hunt, I on the other hand feel it will ruin the fabric of hunting for many children in the US. Hunters do a great service to the public and I will tell you the amount of deer reduction that takes place on a 2500.00-3500.00 deer hunt does little in that reguard as they are not meat hunters but rack hunters by and large. They leave the does to be shot by the common folk.
I guess as your a paid guide you see little problem with pay to hunt, I on the other hand feel it will ruin the fabric of hunting for many children in the US. Hunters do a great service to the public and I will tell you the amount of deer reduction that takes place on a 2500.00-3500.00 deer hunt does little in that reguard as they are not meat hunters but rack hunters by and large. They leave the does to be shot by the common folk.
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Oh I got his point, it was mindless drivel, that skirted the point
That seems to trip you up everytime
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Heck let's let children go to DisneyLand free of charge.
So you want someone else to pay for your kids enjoyment........you had the kid.............you pay. Maybe you want us to pay your kids grocery bill while we are at it.
P Joe
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Anybody else get the feeling that all this guy cares about is what gets put in his pocket???
I'll bet YOU charge an exteminatior to rid your house of bugs! :shock:
I'll bet YOU send the rual water company a bill since they are pumping YOUR water right out of underneath you!
I'll go as fas as to say that YOU probably send the electric company a bill because it's YOUR water shed that turns the turbines for them!
I would imagine you don't like road hunting because its YOUR birds that we are shooting. Just how many pheasants have you raised this year. How much money have you gave to your local pheasants forever or pro pheasant chapter. :???:
Do you really think the population exploded because of your "EXPERTISE" land management. :roll: :roll:
IT's not. IT's because of hunters like SDH, PH and myself and spend the $ to keep up the population of birds. That's why road hunting will always stay legal, to give us a chance to recoup what we as hunters have put in :!:
Most of you "west river" ranchers haven't put a damn dime into the wildlife on your ranch, yet you expect big returns????? Go ahead lease your land to an outfitter. See how the deer\antelope\(god forbid) and prairie dog poplutations explodes then. Outfitters need 3 things to be succesful, big money, big racks, and big heards! And I gurantee you won't see anything, but the big herds!
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Funny you should mention that.................you guys are the ones that want someone to give you something
P Joe
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Do you like me that much that you keep insisting that I want something from you. Since when is wildlife something for you to give?? I don't care if you let anybody hunt. Stay to the topic at hand here old boy, I know it's hard and the short bus is outside waiting for you but try to focus.
ROAD HUNTING is LEAGAL
UNARMED RETRIEVAL is LEAGAL.
NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
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You dillusional moron.....................you are changing the subject.
Look back as I was responding to the quote
If you had been paying attention you would have seen I said I have never charged for hunting and I welcome letting people and especially kids hunt. But if you tell me I should or I have to then I will tell you to P off.
Get a grip, no one owes your or anyones kids anything but the parents, but if I want to give them some hunting it is my choice.
Look back as I was responding to the quote
If you had been paying attention you would have seen I said I have never charged for hunting and I welcome letting people and especially kids hunt. But if you tell me I should or I have to then I will tell you to P off.
Get a grip, no one owes your or anyones kids anything but the parents, but if I want to give them some hunting it is my choice.
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P Joe said:passin thru said:
Do you like me that much that you keep insisting that I want something from you. Since when is wildlife something for you to give?? I don't care if you let anybody hunt. Stay to the topic at hand here old boy, I know it's hard and the short bus is outside waiting for you but try to focus.
ROAD HUNTING is LEAGAL
UNARMED RETRIEVAL is LEAGAL.
NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
P. Joe- I've always supported hunting- and hunters...One of the reasons I signed up with Block Management rather than lease my land out to outfitters (at a substatially higher financial gain)- was to allow the locals and folks that couldn't pay a place to hunt....
But I did retain the right to allow or NOT allow whoever I wanted to on my land for hunting.....I've had little problems with any hunters- and have never had to refuse anyone...
But You guys remind of the reason I kept that Right..... :wink: :lol:
Doug Thorson
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My language that it would require to respond to these two comments doesn't belong on this message board. Suffice it to say that I will no longer check on the Sports/Hunting portion of this board because hunters are @#!:$%# idiots and now my place is locked out to hunters.
P Joe
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Passin Thru, Oldtimer please for the love of God, read what I type.
YOU DON"T OWE ME ANYTHING!
ROAD HUNTING IS LEAGAL
UNARMED RETIEVAL IS LEAGAL IN THIS STATE
DEAL WITH IT.
My whole arugument is with LB and her turning us in for tresspassing while road hunting. It's hog wash. YOU PT have gone around in circles and rants trying to paint a picture of bad hunters bad road hunters, whatever. I don't give a sh*t what you think of me and I don't have to. Regardless of your opinion, I can still road hunt and probably always will be able to long after you are dead! If my local neighbors(who by the way road hunt just as much as I do) want to kick me off for road hunting so be it. I just don't see it happening! :wink:
oh and YOU DON'T OWE ME ANYTHING!! :!: :!: :!:
YOU DON"T OWE ME ANYTHING!
ROAD HUNTING IS LEAGAL
UNARMED RETIEVAL IS LEAGAL IN THIS STATE
DEAL WITH IT.
My whole arugument is with LB and her turning us in for tresspassing while road hunting. It's hog wash. YOU PT have gone around in circles and rants trying to paint a picture of bad hunters bad road hunters, whatever. I don't give a sh*t what you think of me and I don't have to. Regardless of your opinion, I can still road hunt and probably always will be able to long after you are dead! If my local neighbors(who by the way road hunt just as much as I do) want to kick me off for road hunting so be it. I just don't see it happening! :wink:
oh and YOU DON'T OWE ME ANYTHING!! :!: :!: :!:
Liberty Belle
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PH, I give up – I don't know the answer to these questions, do you? Or is it that you think I should tax and regulate those businesses all by myself?
News flash – I am only one of many legislators from across South Dakota and I couldn't do any of this by myself even if I wanted to, which I don't.
Have you talked to your own legislators about these issues? If not, why not? Have they written you off as a nutcase too?
Gee, P Joe, I dunno. I suppose the dead rooster just lays there?
And your argument is you have the right to trespass on my land?
Come pick up that dead bird you shot over my land and we'll both get a chance to visit with the sheriff.
Never mind what GF&P says you can do, you are going to have to prove in a court here that you have that "right"! GF&P doesn't own my land and can't give anyone permission to trespass on what they don't own. You said we should test that in court? If you are stupid enough to trespass here and I catch you, we'll will most assuredly be meeting in front of the judge. :twisted:
I hear ya, Doug. After the ranchers on this board read through these threads, you can chalk up several thousand more acres of locked out land, courtesy of Tony Dean and his disciples. They are their own worst enemies, aren't they?
My father-in-law used to say he looked forward to hunting season like he did to a three-day blizzard. Now I understand what he meant!
Southdakotahunter
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Maybe, Doug, you can tell me what meaningfull legislation she introduced last year? I guess she signed on to wish Johnson a speedy recovery.....wow!
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I agree LB- and thats the concept I just cannot accept-- that someone else- even government can give people a broad ability to trespass on someone elses property....
Does the government then accept liability :???: - if the hunter climbing over my fence happens to get a little spooked by my dogs (who don't like tresspassers) and catches his family jewels on my fence- ripping them and then bleeds on and damages my fence- is the state government than liable?-- or is the hunter?-- or is it like most things, they come back and sue the landowner?
Looks to me like its an awful shakey road....
P Joe
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Liberty Belle said:
Merely an open threat :wink: :!: :!: :!:
It's not trespassing. Ruled twice by our supreme court and refused to be heard by the feds :!: Keep sending people like this to pierre guys, I'm sure you'll keep getting the same results
:shock: You want to complain about "slob" hunters that don't follow the rules??? :roll: Seems you've elected a "slob" yourself that doesn't believe the rules and laws of this state apply to them as well
:shock: :!:I'm not "picking" on you or starting a fight here, but I have clearly posted the laws to follow and you have clearly said they would be ignored on your part. YOU call hunters "slobs" for doing excatly that!
P Joe
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Oldtimer said:
Here I'll answer that, If your dogs, house, cattle, occupied buildings are close, he is in violation of the 660 feet rule. His gun would be taken away and he would loose his license for a year and you'd be owed any damages stemming from the shot(s) he took.
How shakey is that??? Pretty clear, cut and dry to me! :wink:
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P Joe said:
Me and my dogs roam all over the place...Dogs know the border fences as well as I do....
It seems to me that saying someone can claim they are retrieving game birds is the same as saying they (and their dogs?) can wander all over your property--as I have pheasant hunted some- and I know that sometimes an old cork bird that folds up pretty good will still get up and run 1/2 a mile or more down a ditch or a draw before he holds up or dies...
And what if Joe Blow "slob hunter" slips and falls into a washout or ditch and breaks his leg on my property while retrieving- will he then sue me? Just the type that would- use every loophole and legal angle to hunt, then come back and blame the landowner if he's injured.... :roll:
The main thing is that this goes against all concepts of private ownership- and knowing who is on your private property...Which seems to me that in the long run can/will be more detrimental to true sportsmen and hunters in promoting landowner/sportsmen relations than it does good....
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the law says if the bird falls on your land, i can legaly retrieve it. As a matter of fact, if i dont, i can be ticketed for NOT retrieving it. As long as i leave the gun behind, i legaly can chase it down. I have shot birds before that have flown 200 yards or more, then just folded deader than half the Beatles..........i am required to retrieve that bird, or make every effort to do so.
I am guessing here, but i would believe since i am legaly bound to retrieve it, it would be looked at like public land. (please dont take it that im saying your land is public, because i am NOT) and therefore, you could not be held liable.
You also say you own the land the road is on, which may be true. Does that mean if i slip on the road and hurt myself, i should be talking to my lawyer??? No. What if i hit a deer on YOUR road, go thru your fence? hurt myself? Should you be held liable? No.
I am guessing here, but i would believe since i am legaly bound to retrieve it, it would be looked at like public land. (please dont take it that im saying your land is public, because i am NOT) and therefore, you could not be held liable.
You also say you own the land the road is on, which may be true. Does that mean if i slip on the road and hurt myself, i should be talking to my lawyer??? No. What if i hit a deer on YOUR road, go thru your fence? hurt myself? Should you be held liable? No.
P Joe
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Oldtimer said:Me and my dogs roam all over the place...Dogs know the border fences as well as I do....
It seems to me that saying someone can claim they are retrieving game birds is the same as saying they (and their dogs?) can wander all over your property--as I have pheasant hunted some- and I know that sometimes an old cork bird that folds up pretty good will still get up and run 1/2 a mile or more down a ditch or a draw before he holds up or dies...
And what if Joe Blow "slob hunter" slips and falls into a washout or ditch and breaks his leg on my property while retrieving- will he then sue me? Just the type that would- use every loophole and legal angle to hunt, then come back and blame the landowner if he's injured.... :roll:
If he shoots 660 feet near you or even near just your dog, even if you are in the middle of nowhere. IT IS ILLEGAL
Even if he shoots a bird over your neighbors land, and your cattle, on your land, are within 660 feet of where he shot, IT IS ILLEGAL
It is VERY CLEAR, CUT AND DRY. 660 FEET MEANS 660 FEET
Yes I have had an old rooster run away like that and I'll let them go. If my dog can't find it in a minute or 2, I move on. Most people do.
I believe a game warden would probably write you a ticket if you were more than a few hundred feet away from the road. For sure if you have your gun. You have a right to retrieve that bird within reason. Does reason mean 10 feet, or a 1000?? If it's heavy cover, then I suppose it's 10. If it's an open bean field and I can see the dead bird 500 feet out there, I suppose that would be within reason too??
A hunter tripping and falling and suing you in this state. I suppose it's possible. But so is the fact of having to cover a injury a theif sustain on your place as well or if I came to your house to ask permission and broke my ankle on a rock in your yard. In this state, I dought a jury would ever go for any of it. We can play WHAT IF games all day. The majority of road hunter do follow the law and most time there isn't a problem. You always have a few bad apples in everything.
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LB you talk the talk, but you wouldn't stand up to the legal walk and if it where me and my attorney, I would counter sue for fees due to frivolous law suit seeings how your state has already decided this issue 2 times prior. Oh not to mention you can't go to court if the states attorney doesn't want to prosecute . You could file a civil suit but that is it if your states attorney says No! end of trespass issue.
You and your lock out talk funny
What every time you disagree with a sportsman, considering your views towards hunters and please don't make me copy/paste grandpas words LOL, you threaten more acres in your infamous SD lock out! It's a factual bust and getting weaker with the passing days as some have told me who live in your state. Seems this is all in a small area of the state and has little backing East of your Big river and add the fact that No one has a clear concise message to send from it makes it a factual non issue LB so give it a break. If threats where worth a .01 each you would be a millionaire LOL.
If you learned to work with people and user groups and not against them overwhelmingly you would find more success in your endeavours for sure!
Because hunters have a voice and the law on their sides in some issues you want to berate us why? It is the law that dictates the outcome not you or I. Don't like the laws then work to get them changed, but don't think you are above or can circumvent them because you or I can not.
There is no jury in the land that would hold any landowner liable for the retrieving of game that was because of a state law!!! Some would like to use this as an excuse to make it look like a poorly laid out law, just no the facts!
I would be more worried about the landowner who is pay to hunt and doesn't have a tax ID or let their insurance company know of these practices taking place on their farm/ranch and have a paid customer get hurt then your in deep trouble! You may just loose it all for a few thousand dollars a year!
Oldtimer would you except the law if they where mandated to ask first and then told NO, they still had the legal right to retrieve? Yes or No?
. You could file a civil suit but that is it if your states attorney says No! end of trespass issue.You and your lock out talk funny
What every time you disagree with a sportsman, considering your views towards hunters and please don't make me copy/paste grandpas words LOL, you threaten more acres in your infamous SD lock out! It's a factual bust and getting weaker with the passing days as some have told me who live in your state. Seems this is all in a small area of the state and has little backing East of your Big river and add the fact that No one has a clear concise message to send from it makes it a factual non issue LB so give it a break. If threats where worth a .01 each you would be a millionaire LOL.If you learned to work with people and user groups and not against them overwhelmingly you would find more success in your endeavours for sure!
Because hunters have a voice and the law on their sides in some issues you want to berate us why? It is the law that dictates the outcome not you or I. Don't like the laws then work to get them changed, but don't think you are above or can circumvent them because you or I can not.
There is no jury in the land that would hold any landowner liable for the retrieving of game that was because of a state law!!! Some would like to use this as an excuse to make it look like a poorly laid out law, just no the facts!
I would be more worried about the landowner who is pay to hunt and doesn't have a tax ID or let their insurance company know of these practices taking place on their farm/ranch and have a paid customer get hurt then your in deep trouble! You may just loose it all for a few thousand dollars a year!
Oldtimer would you except the law if they where mandated to ask first and then told NO, they still had the legal right to retrieve? Yes or No?