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Tony and some legislator.

You pay a very, very, very small amount for what you get out of it. The weight gains from your cattle compaired to the deer i take off it is nigh and day difference. I purchase a hunting license,which allows me to use it. Can i bring a horse and allow it to graze?
 
How much is this very small amount? If you call what I pay very small what do you call the amount you pay?
 
I had the opportunity to lease some state grassland. It sounded like a sweet deal. I went and looked at it and looked at what my obligation was.
After I would have put a fence and a well I decided to lease some private pasture. The private land was a heck of a better deal.
 
Open fields is not profiling, it is the ability of law enforcement to enter private property, (not your curtledge, which is your home) and is protected by the Constituition, it allows all law enforcement to see and enter your private property to monitor and see a number of thingsto monitor illegal activity for example if you are growing drugs, making drugs, legally licensed and within your legal game limits, I would assume it also allows the banks to enter your property to make sure you have the assets you have on collateral with the bank a number of things, Why do you think that only GF&P officers should not have the ability to enter private lands? Or do you beleive All enforcement should not be allowed?
When you take a SD driver license it open you up to profiling, SJ do you have a drivers license? How about a professional license that is regulated by the state or Fed Govt? That opens you up for special restrictions or other possible special parameters.
GF&P people can ONLY enter your private lands if they observe hunting activity.
With out the open fields how could enforcement check licenses limits on private property? I know you are going to say on the roads...what happens if the Game never leaves the ranch for a month, GF&P does not have enough money or personnal to check game leaving when ever the outfitter or rancher decide to ship it. It is a check and balance part of the system.
Nesxt you will say well "us good ole Boys" dont break the law.....why do you think we are?
Lets see does Dakota Safaries ring a bell?
 
With out the open fields how could enforcement check licenses limits on private property?
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Ask permission like everyone else including other law enforcment unless they see someone in the commission of a crime or the have reasonable suspicion or probable cause.
 
Gee let me see?????? You are a non-law-abiding rancher or an outfitter renting a good rancher's property. And selling trophy deer hunts for $5000 a piece, you couldnt get a tag but there are two guys coming from Arizona to hunt deer and paying 5k each.
You let them shoot two trophy bucks, keep them on the land for 2 months and decide to ship them out.
Gee mr landowner/outfitter Game warden sees someone hunting on your property and asks "may I come check your hunters for licenses?" No you sure cant we dont have any hunters here.

Thats real good law enforcement isnt it SJ. Now I know you would never do anything like this but there are some out there that would.

Or how about we have a real real bad winter, lots of deer on your feed stacks, cattle are dyeing and the damn deer are eating my stored feed. Mr or Mrs good landowner decides to shoot 25 -30 deer bury them in the hole, geee Mr Warden needs to ask me to come on my land and see if I shot them, I dont think I will grant him permission to come onto my land...." who cares if I shoot some stupid deer?
I do as a hunter and sportsman, that is why we need to have the open fields ability
 
Gee let me see?????? You are a non-law-abiding rancher or an outfitter renting a good rancher's property. And selling trophy deer hunts for $5000 a piece, you couldnt get a tag but there are two guys coming from Arizona to hunt deer and paying 5k each.
You let them shoot two trophy bucks, keep them on the land for 2 months and decide to ship them out.
Gee mr landowner/outfitter Game warden sees someone hunting on your property and asks "may I come check your hunters for licenses?" No you sure cant we dont have any hunters here.

Thats real good law enforcement isnt it SJ. Now I know you would never do anything like this but there are some out there that would.

Or how about we have a real real bad winter, lots of deer on your feed stacks, cattle are dyeing and the damn deer are eating my stored feed. Mr or Mrs good landowner decides to shoot 25 -30 deer bury them in the hole, geee Mr Warden needs to ask me to come on my land and see if I shot them, I dont think I will grant him permission to come onto my land...." who cares if I shoot some stupid deer?
I do as a hunter and sportsman, that is why we need to have the open fields ability
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This would give the GW "Probable cause"...................................
ever heard of it you dillusional moron
 
I respect the landowners decision also. I also respect the courts decision. I never ever cry or whine if im not getting access and i dont see any hunter here doing it either. The only crying and whining i see is from landowners who dont like my road hunting, dont want game wardens checking on the publics herd, and others calling the hunters whiners
 
Like I said before I believe most landowners and hunters are good law abiding people.

How many of these landowners do you believe would say no to entering? Do you think saying no might create some suspicion? Do you suppose if they did say no, Game Fish and Parks may just do a fly over?

The policy you talk about that is so cut and dried-- why do you suppose it says visibly observe or reasonable articulate instead of just saying they can only enter if hunting is occurirng?

Would you say you would visibly observe and/or reasonable aticulate the same as I would?

I wouldn't shoot the deer in a bad winter, I would just send a registered letter to Game Fish and Parks and have them do it. If they didn't I have a right to protect my property, don't I?
 
SDH

You would have to ask public hunter. It was his scenario and he knew there was something going on that wasn't.
 
Most of you producers/ranchers and self portraid great Americans and wanna be Americans, if you cant answer something in a rational manor or if you feel threatened you reply by name calling.....too bad most of you that reply arent rational humans.
I never whined in any of my posts, I dont expect to hunt on your property I have never said you owe it to me, I beleive hunting is a privilidge and I do beleive in public ownership of land, and other venues of public hunting. I have never said public hunting is free and I do not consider Govt payments as welfare. I support more diverse payments for Conservation. I support grazing on public lands if done correctly and responsibly, I think prairie dogs need to be managed and are best raised on public lands if the public wants them, I support open fields and I support your right to charge for access onto your private land.
It is a shame when someone does not agree with your views that you call them names....PT as I said before you hqve stood to many years in cow s--- it is fogging your mind.
 
PH, you are funny..................................you are the first to call a name.

Look it up you called me a name early in this thread. Next time don't start calling names and then pout like a baby when it happens to you.
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Wow! What a person can miss in just a couple days!!

Sorry if any of you felt that I was ignoring you. I spent the first part of the week at the capitol for the governor's budget address and getting a jump start on some legislation I'm planning to introduce, then yesterday I had legislative meetings to attend.

Before I left the capitol Wednesday I took the time to visit with the likable new Secretary of GF&P about some of that legislation.

Evidently I've done something to upset my dear friend Tony Dean again, huh? How do you suppose he got the idea that I was advocating killing eagles from my quote he posted in his article? Tony tends to read into things what he wants it to say, not what it actually says.

Oh well, there's not much I can do to improve Tony's reading skills.

I appreciate my friends on here defending me while I was absent but I gotta tell you, I'm really hard to embarrass. In fact, I'm rather flattered that Tony and the hunters that worship at his altar think of me this often! :oops:

I seldom read Tony's website and if the anonymous Southdakotahunter hadn't posted the article about me, I'd have missed it completely. What a loss that would have been. :D :lol: :lol:

publichunter: Open fields is not profiling, it is the ability of law enforcement to enter private property, (not your curtledge, which is your home) and is protected by the Constituition, it allows all law enforcement to see and enter your private property to monitor and see a number of thingsto monitor illegal activity for example if you are growing drugs, making drugs, legally licensed and within your legal game limits, I would assume it also allows the banks to enter your property to make sure you have the assets you have on collateral with the bank a number of things, Why do you think that only GF&P officers should not have the ability to enter private lands? Or do you beleive All enforcement should not be allowed?
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Oh please, publichunter, show us where the Open Fields Doctrine is protected in the Constitution? I'll give you a hint – you won't find it. It is NOT in there. Show us where any of your wild claims are actually written into law. I double dog dare ya! :twisted:

The Open Fields Doctrine is based solely on case law involving a few illegal drug cases that had nothing to do with hunting.

Law enforcement officers are NOT allowed to go nosing around on private property in an attempt to find someone breaking the law. The sheriff and the police chief both need a search warrant to do what GF&P claims it has the "right" do in order for them see if hunters might be breaking the law on private land.

GF&P just assumes hunters are going to be breaking the law and, in order to catch you in the act, they have to violate the trespassing laws to nail you. After reading some of the posts from the hunters on this thread, I guess it's easy to see why they might suspect you guys…

As for the banker trespassing to count the assets we used as collateral – dream on!! No banker I know wants to be arrested for trespass, which is exactly what would happen to him if he tried what you suggested! I don't know what you use for a banker, but the bankers around here aren't stupid.
 
Liberty Belle said:
, but the bankers around here aren't stupid.
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Where didja find them kind of bankers then????
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Besides, I doubt they'd break a sweat WALKING about to ck on things anyway.
 
SJ said:
The answer is nothing. I pay for my right to graze the state land I lease and you pay nothing for your right to hunt.
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How many people get to use the grass after you grazed it??? You pay for the "exclusive" right to graze, no one else can. Therfore you should have to pay something for it. Why do you feel someone should have to pay for a usage fee to hunt\camp\fish whatever for the day??? it's not exclusive usage..
 
A person pays to go to a two hour movie, camp at a state park overnight, etc.
Do you think you are better than these people and shouldn't have to pay for your piece of enjoyment?
 

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