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Typical Tony Dean. He will post something on his website and be damned if anyone should ask a question. After reading Tony's response to the post's on ranchers net "prairie dog politics" post, I thought I would give you a taste of Tony when he is questioned. Tony posted this about Chris Hesla, Wildlife Federation president. I have no reason to believe Chris Hesla isn't an honest person and feel this is probably a whole lot about nothing. It also doesn't matter to me whether he turned himself in or not. I was not weighing in on Hesla, I was weighing in on Tony. I was surprised when he took the bait--- hook line and sinker, no pun intended.

My email to Tony Dean;

From; Susan Clarkson
To; [email protected]

Hesla shoots Hen, Pays Fine. A Class Act.

Some websites and political blogs are making a big deal over Chris Hesla's shooting of a hen pheasant while hunting in Tripp County.

Hesla turned himself in and paid the find.

Big Deal, some think. A Conservationist who breaks the law.

Who among all sportsmen hasn't accidentally gunned down a hen, or a mallard hen too many. Most of those criticizing Hesla are suggesting that he can't properly represent a conservation group if he violates a game law.

BS!

Hesla is a class act and has been a great conservation lobbyist because he tells the truth, and he does represent the average sportsman in South Dakota.

More credit to you Chris, for doing it the right way.

Tony Dean

Tony
Who did he turn himself into? When did it happen and when did he turn himself in? Did he have to pay civil damages or loose his hunting privileges?

I agree that most would have a hard time claiming they hadn't accidentally gunned down a hen or to many mallard hens. Did you turn your self in?

Susan

This is Tony's Website response to my email:

Susan weighs in on Hesla

Our original web story follows, then that is followed by comments from Susan Clarkson, one of the powers behind the Harding Co. "Lockout." She is also the wife of Game, Fish & Parks Commission member, Mert Clarkson.


Some websites and political blogs are making a big deal over Chris Hesla's shooting of a hen pheasant while hunting in Tripp County.

Hesla turned himself in and paid the find.

Big Deal, some think. A Conservationist who breaks the law.

Who among all sportsmen hasn't accidentally gunned down a hen, or a mallard hen too many. Most of those criticizing Hesla are suggesting that he can't properly represent a conservation group if he violates a game law.

BS!

Hesla is a class act and has been a great conservation lobbyist because he tells the truth, and he does represent the average sportsman in South Dakota.

More credit to you Chris, for doing it the right way.

Tony Dean

Tony

Who did he turn himself into? When did it happen and when did he turn himself in? Did he have to pay civil damages or loose his hunting privileges?

I agree that most would have a hard time claiming they hadn't accidentally gunned down a hen or to many mallard hens. Did you turn your self in?

Susan



Susan:

I'm not qualified to answer your questions because I was not there. The fact that Hesla turned himself in is admirable. Why don't you ask your husband, a GFP Commission member about the facts of the case. Aside from that, I'll be darned if I can figure what your beef on this issue is, other than another effort to pile on.

I know Chris Hesla to be an outstanding sportsman and a guy with high ethical standards. He is also an extremely effective lobbyist, and other than those of you who dislike what he does for a living, as well as his effectivness, I'm betting most hunters will agree with me.

Tony





My email response to his website response:

From: Susan Clarkson
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:01 PM

You answered all my questions except for one.

Did you turn yourself in?


This is Tony's email response:
From: [email protected]
To: Susan Clarkson


Did I confess to anything? Susan, I don't have time to get involved in another senseless exhange with someone of your level. Go back to what you normally do...or, maybe, this is it.



My last email to Tony Dean;

From: Susan Clarkson
To: Tony


Tony,
The Chris Hesla Story "Chris shoots hen, pays fine. A class Act" was your post, not mine. I haven't posted anything concerning, condemning or judging Chris Hesla. You did.

Your statement: "I know Chris Hesla to be an outstanding sportsman and a guy with high ethical standards. He is also an extremely effective lobbyist, and other than those of you who dislike what he does for a living, as well as his effectivness, I'm betting most hunters will agree with me." Have I ever said I dislike Chris Hesla or what he does for a living or his effectiveness? I may not agree with what Chris Hesla believes. I am sure Chris doesn't agree with me. I think Chris Hesla is a good lobbyist and effective and to be that he can't take things personal or get personal when some one disagrees with him or questions him.

If a person dislikes or objects to something being done by a person or government, is it your conclusion, that person dislikes and objects to every thing that person or government does.

Frederick Bastiat over a 100 years ago made this conclusion; " Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all."

I am not calling you a socialist nor do I think you are one.

Tony you wrote the story and gave the impression that you knew the facts.

I asked a few simple questions and you stated; "I'm not qualified to answer your questions because I was not there."

Your answer has made me wonder if you heard this through the rumor mill. If it was through the rumor mill, so be it, it would have been better to just say that. I believe if you had had a credible source you would have said so. Why put your credibility in question?


To be honest, I wasn't weighing in on Hesla, I was weighing in on your credibility. Not only did you take the bait, out of your own mouth you created doubt of your credibility by stating: "I'm not qualified to answer your questions because I was not there."

Also in your own posting, out of your mouth, you make this statement which questions your own honesty: "Who among all sportsmen hasn't accidentally gunned down a hen or a mallard hen too many?" You posted my question and by not answering my question you again create suspicion about your honesty. You just got angry and don't like to be questioned. "When a person succumbs to anger his brain quits."

Then you email me asking a question and claiming you don't have time to get involved in another senseless exchange with someone of my level. I don't group people or classify them by levels.

Those of the socialist school of thought ---- base their various theories upon one common hypothesis: They divide mankind into two parts, people in general--- with the exception of themselves.

Your question; "Did I confess to anything?" You be the judge.

Answer the questions below

Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God?

State your name?

Are you the host and producer of Tony Dean outdoors?

Did you make this statement; "Who among all sportsmen hasn't accidentally gunned down a hen, or a mallard hen too many."?

Are you a sportsman?

Did you write a guide to SD Pheasant Hunting?

Do you hunt birds?

Have you ever hunted pheasants in South Dakota?

I would be correct then in assuming/ believing you have shot a hen pheasant accidentally?


With this being your question out of your mouth: "Did I confess to anything? You tell me Tony.

Susan Clarkson







From: Tony
To:Susan


Susan:

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
Give me a break...........your gonna nit pick the man? So he didnt say he shot a hen before, big freakin deal. What he is saying is who hasnt made a mistake before? Kind of like saying who has went through a stop sign before by mistake and not gotten caught? Everyone. I really dont understand why you would want to nit pick something like this. I have shot a hen by mistake before, i have also shot a hen mallard to many before by mistake. Did i turn myself in? Nope.........Sh!t happens sometimes. Kind of like speeding. Im sure you never speeded in your life, and im sure you have never J walked before either. Better go turn yourself in now.
 
Southdakotahunter said:
I have shot a hen by mistake before, i have also shot a hen mallard to many before by mistake. Did i turn myself in? Nope.........Sh!t happens sometimes.
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And this is the very reason I don't alllow antelope hunting on my land anymore.

I had one hunter and a cow got shot and killed. The guy who was hunting would not accept responsibility for his actions and tried to pass the blame to someone else.

This is the kind of adittude that makes it real easy to say no, when someone I don't know wants to hunt on my land.

If I know the hunter, then I know where they live and if something "happens", I can go see them and we can come to a suitable arrangement.

And you wonder why some of us don't care for every hunter in the country to tramp or drive all over us. :roll:

And before you ask, no I haven't shot a hen pheasent or duck. I don't hunt them. Or grouse either for that matter. I lke to shoot clay pigeons once in awhile and thats about it for shotgunning.

If I shoot a deer or anything else, I take responsibility.
 
That is why a lot of farms get closed off around here, at least the livestock ones as well as liability issues. Amazing how someone can mistake a 1400 pound Holstein cow for a 150 pound white tail doe.. Just amazing, especially when they are using a slug gun at under 100 yards.

Hunters will probably never realize that they are often their own worst enemies when it comes to gaining access to land. It is not the good, ethical hunter who makes the right decisions and does things by the books (Mistakes do happen in the case of the duck and pheasant situation IMO but the deer/dog/cow/sheep/llama/57 chevy is not an honest mistakte) it are the guys who are going to get theirs regardless of what it takes and who have crappy attitudes about things. Any wonder why folks get told no when they show up the night before season opens, smelling of liquor asking for permission for them and their 20 buddies to do a deer drive on this ground or anyone elses? Or the situation that JB just described basically makes it to a if we don't know you real darn well we can't trust you to do the right thing when you screw up. Next step in this level of course is someone you do know well doing the same darn thing and not stepping up to the plate and than the place is closed to everyone... sorry, just a bit bitter after having to chase tresspassers, close gates that were left open, and finding a gut pile on ground that is posted and this was only during a 7 day season.. I couldn't imagine what it would be like if I was in a more deseriable place to hunt... At least they aren't cutting fence anymore like they did the first year we moved here.
 
Now JB. You telling me you havnt went through a stop sign by mistake? Tellin me you have never went over the speed limit? They are both breaking the law, whats the diff?

Thats too bad some slob wouldnt take responsibility for a cow that got shot. There is a big diff between a cow and a goat, we both know that. Keep in mind shotguns have a larger pattern, also shoot alot less distance than a high power does. i have shot a hen by mistake by having one cross behind a rooster i was aiming at before. Its a shame. But what do ya do? I probably shouldnt have pulld the trigger but i did. I have also shot at a flock of ducks flyin past, aiming at the front one and hit the 2nd one. What do ya do? Its a mistake. I have also pulld the trigger 1x and dropped 2 before, but what do ya do?
 
My farm was never OPEN to begin with.....BUT the day I got a rifle shot thru my kitchen I got REALLY serious about shutting the place down to ANYONE and ANYBODY!!

I knew a few folks probably slipped in thru the back line that borders with the Nat'l Forest...had seen evidence of them. But HOLY SMOKES when a bullet whistles past your ear in your own kitchen....yep you'll shut'er down BIG TIME!
 
Il Rancher, your right. 100% right. The only thing you are a little misled on is you are calling them hunters. Its "hunters" like that that ruin it for the good guys. there is always a bad egg out there. Its like they say, if you have a bad experience with company you may be doing business with, you will tell maybe 10 or more people about it. how many do you tell about your good experiences? Very few. The bad ones are etched into your minds and thats understandable. Its just like our liberal media. All you hear about (mostly) is the bad news.
 
Faster horses said:
Too bad, SJ. The ones who needed to get your point, missed it.
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I think every one gets the point, but why pick on something of so little value. There are bigger things to worry about. Accidents do happen and the guy did the right thing. I for one can see the good in that. Now weather some one threaten him first or not is what I am curious about.

SD HUNTER. I for one have never shot a hen pheasant or 1 to many hen mallards. Shooting once and bringing down 2 birds is probably a once in a lifetime thing. I have passed up many roosters because I didn't know for sure if they were. I have passed up many mallards because I had shot my one hen and was waiting for teal to come by. The same reason those accidents happen is why houses and cows get shot. You shoot at the deer before looking behind the deer. So you don't notice ole Betsy or the neighbors house behind the deer.
 
Southdakotahunter said:
Now JB. You telling me you havnt went through a stop sign by mistake? Tellin me you have never went over the speed limit? They are both breaking the law, whats the diff?

Thats too bad some slob wouldnt take responsibility for a cow that got shot. There is a big diff between a cow and a goat, we both know that. Keep in mind shotguns have a larger pattern, also shoot alot less distance than a high power does. i have shot a hen by mistake by having one cross behind a rooster i was aiming at before. Its a shame. But what do ya do? I probably shouldnt have pulld the trigger but i did. I have also shot at a flock of ducks flyin past, aiming at the front one and hit the 2nd one. What do ya do? Its a mistake. I have also pulld the trigger 1x and dropped 2 before, but what do ya do?
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Aim at what you want to hit. If you can't make a good shot, don't take the shot.

I have never shot anything unintentionally. If I didn't have a good shot, I didn't take it. Sometimes you come up empty handed, but it's better than shooting what isn't supposed to be shot.

As far as speed limits and stop signs, no, I've never driven thru' a stop sign, unintentionally. Or speeded either, for that matter.

Sounds like it would be a little dangerous to hunt with you. I might be in the way when you are pulling down on a rooster, but hey, things happen, right? :roll:
 
well, i hate to say this JB, but i have to call you a liar. There is no one who drives who has not sped, no one who drives who has not gone thru a stop sign or one or the other. I would bet that you run the stop sign on the gravel nearest your place almost daily. I know most farmers around my place dont bother with the stop signs on the gravels unless they cant see what is coming from all directions. Most say they will stop 2x at the next one.
 
Southdakotahunter said:
well, i hate to say this JB, but i have to call you a liar. There is no one who drives who has not sped, no one who drives who has not gone thru a stop sign or one or the other. I would bet that you run the stop sign on the gravel nearest your place almost daily. I know most farmers around my place dont bother with the stop signs on the gravels unless they cant see what is coming from all directions. Most say they will stop 2x at the next one.
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There, that just goes to prove how little you know about anything.

I don't lie. I will BS with the best of them, but i don't lie. Come on out and we will discuss it. :twisted:

And I never said I never drove thru' a stop sign. Go back and read what I wrote and if you don't understand the use of English come on back and bring the quote and I'll explain it to you. Then you can apoligies. :twisted:

Twit. :lol:
 
You can go to hell for lyin just as fast as for stealin JB. Call me Twit if you want. No prob . I could think of a few for you. Probably a male private part, but i wont say it!

You have never intentionly sped. RIGHT. You have never kicked it up to make it to a sale? You have never kicked it up to make it to the kids game on time? Or church or anything. I dont beleave it JB. Not for a minute.
 

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