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Top insider OBL died in 2001 of Marfan syndrome

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Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department whom as the man Harrison Fords character Jack Ryan was about in Patriot Games says Bin laden died of Marfan syndrome in 2001. He says the intelligence community knew it. Steve knew bin laden personally.

Here is a supporting article from 2001 from Salon magazine i found that supports his claim.

http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2001/11/09/marfan

11/9/2001

Does bin Laden have Marfan syndrome?

Is Osama suffering from a rare disease that can cause sudden death?

BY MARK FRANCIS COHEN

If what some medical experts say is true, it may not require a military strike to kill Osama bin Laden. For several years now, reports have been circulating that claim the 45-year-old is quite ill, sees doctors regularly and may have a heart problem. The evidence is sketchy, but some see signs that bin Laden could die suddenly.

Marfan syndrome is a potentially fatal disorder of connective tissue, and some believe it's jeopardizing the life of al-Qaida's elusive leader. Bin Laden would be in good company: Some say Marfan would have killed Abraham Lincoln if John Wilkes Booth had missed his mark in 1865. It also appears to have claimed the lives of Jonathan Larson, author of the musical "Rent," who died on the eve of the production's 1996 Broadway debut; Chris Patton, a University of Maryland basketball star who died during a pickup game; and Flo Hyman, an Olympic volleyball player who died at 31 in 1986. The aortas of all three ripped in a manner consistent with the disorder. Charles de Gaulle and composer Sergei Rachmaninoff are also believed to have had Marfan.
 

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If what some medical experts say is true, it may not require a military strike to kill Osama bin Laden. For several years now, reports have been circulating that claim the 45-year-old is quite ill, sees doctors regularly and may have a heart problem. The evidence is sketchy, but some see signs that bin Laden could die suddenly.

That's all the proof this cowboy needs. :lol:
 

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shaumei said:
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department whom as the man Harrison Fords character Jack Ryan was about in Patriot Games says Bin laden died of Marfan syndrome in 2001. He says the intelligence community knew it. Steve knew bin laden personally.

Not that I doubt the accuracy of your facts Shamu, but could you direct me to the quote of Dr. Steve saying Bin Laden died of Marfn Syndrome in 2001. I didn't see his name in the article you linked....what a shock.
 

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How convenient for the Obama administration and the mainstream media that they can say OBL got killed and not offer a shred of evidence that it happened, even see how outlandish they can be and get away with it.
 

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Some claim he died in 2001 or somewhere between then and now. Most agree he is dead and now he is put to bed. Who cares when it happened if all can agree it happened. After a dismal performance in the WH the Pres has 1 thing to hang is hat on. Maybe without his hat on his brain won't overheat so he can start using it.
 

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How convenient that AQ came right out and acknowledged that OBL had, indeed, been killed, and began calling for more jihad against America.

Now, the next logical step would be to assume that the Obama Administration and AQ are in cahoots.

How convenient that last night there was an hour long program on the Discovery Channel about the raid to terminate OBL, and it did a pretty fair job going into as much detail as they could about obtaining intel concerning his whereabouts, through interrogation, advanced interrogation, boots on the ground, and electronic eavesdropping.
 

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per said:
Who cares when it happened if all can agree it happened.
If you can't see the difference it makes as to when it happened, you can't see the difference between a lie and the truth.
 

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loomixguy said:
How convenient that last night there was an hour long program on the Discovery Channel about the raid to terminate OBL, and it did a pretty fair job going into as much detail as they could about obtaining intel concerning his whereabouts, through interrogation, advanced interrogation, boots on the ground, and electronic eavesdropping.
A so-called documentary could be staged fiction.

It would HAVE to be staged fiction if OBL really died in 2001.
 

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If it was staged fiction that OBL was said to have died in 2001, it was the mainstream media and mainstream politicians who said it.

So, either way, they aren't trustworthy.
 

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lightninboy said:
per said:
Who cares when it happened if all can agree it happened.
If you can't see the difference it makes as to when it happened, you can't see the difference between a lie and the truth.
Who's truth? My point was all agree he is dead. I don't believe anyone on here knows the truth. I also never said the official story wasn't a lie, just to let BO have one and move on.
 

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all I see in you linked article Sham is alot of GUESSING (hence the if's, maybe's and should he have's) by people including doctors that have never actually seen Osama without his robes on to see enough of him to make a informed diagnosis.

Then you also have this little comment.

Currently, Marfan syndrome is incurable, but if diagnosed early enough and monitored, patients can have a normal life span

Do you know for sure that Osama wasn't diagnosed early (if he had it at all0 and wasn't being monitored by all those doctors that supposedly have been smuggled into his compounds? Do you know for sure he could not have lived a NORMAL LIFE SPAN? Go ahead Sham give us your BEST GUESS seems that is all your so called expert doctors can do!!!!

After you provide more unproven guess work to Osama's health problems, could you please explain the countless video and audio tapes that have proved to most that he was still alive after your claimed iffy death date of 2001?
 

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per said:
Who's truth? My point was all agree he is dead. I don't believe anyone on here knows the truth. I also never said the official story wasn't a lie, just to let BO have one and move on.
If the Obama administration doesn't give us real proof UBL is dead, how do you really know he is dead?
 

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Tam said:
After you provide more unproven guess work to Osama's health problems, could you please explain the countless video and audio tapes that have proved to most that he was still alive after your claimed iffy death date of 2001?
UBL was on two kidney dialysis machines and he could barely walk.

The mainstream media and mainstream politicians vouched UBL died in 2001.

Video and audio tapes of UBL after 2001? Ha ha! They're fakes!
 

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lightninboy said:
Tam said:
After you provide more unproven guess work to Osama's health problems, could you please explain the countless video and audio tapes that have proved to most that he was still alive after your claimed iffy death date of 2001?
UBL was on two kidney dialysis machines and he could barely walk.

The mainstream media and mainstream politicians vouched UBL died in 2001.

Video and audio tapes of UBL after 2001? Ha ha! They're fakes!

LB, please provide links to these assertions. Should be a piece of cake. Or are these just your opinions?
 

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I think Sham called up another loon to back his outragous claims. And I doubt he will be any better at providing any kind of solid evidence. :roll:
 

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Tam said:
I think Sham called up another loon to back his outragous claims. And I doubt he will be any better at providing any kind of solid evidence. :roll:

Shamoo showed up after ligthninboy
 

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lightninboy said:
Tam said:
After you provide more unproven guess work to Osama's health problems, could you please explain the countless video and audio tapes that have proved to most that he was still alive after your claimed iffy death date of 2001?
UBL was on two kidney dialysis machines and he could barely walk.

The mainstream media and mainstream politicians vouched UBL died in 2001.
Video and audio tapes of UBL after 2001? Ha ha! They're fakes!

Do you have any evidence to the kidney problems, as according to a Nov 2001 interview with a Pakistani newspaper OSAMA said his kidneys were just fine. And please don't bother trying to use claimes from an UNNAMES CIA Agent as if they are not willing to stand by the stories they are passing around chances are it is because they were SPECULATING. :wink: BTW since you, Shamie and Alex Jones claimed he died in Sept 2001, would you care to explain who the Pakistanis interviewed in November? AND Would you like to explain why the hospital he reportedly visited denied ever treating the terrorist for any problem let alone a kidney problem.

OH and Are these (Main stream media) not the same people Sham has been telling us for months we are morons if we believe what they are reporting? Does that make you a moron for believeing them when they reported Osama died in 2001? If we are to believe yours and the MSM's account of what they reported about Osama, why are we not to believe all of these accounts of what they reported about the same man?

Timeline – Osama Bin Laden’s mocking messages since 2001
Posted By Ghazal On May 19th 2011. Under International News, Sizzled News Tags: 9/11, al Qaeda, al-Jazeera, audiotape, bin, fight, George, Laden, messages, mocking, Muhammad, Osama, president, Prophet, States, United, W. Bush . Al Qaeda released a posthumous audio recording by Osama bin Laden on Thursday.

Bin Laden had taunted the world in a series of audio and occasional video messages for nearly a decade after the attacks in the United States on September 11, 2001.

Following are highlights from some of the dozens of statements issued by the al Qaeda leader.

October 7, 2001 – Bin Laden taunts “infidel” U.S. President George W. Bush over September 11 attacks, saying in a videotape shown by Al Jazeera television that United States will not live in peace until Palestinians can do the same.

December 13 – Bin Laden says he was optimistic about September 11 attacks but dared not hope they would bring down World Trade Centre towers, according to a video that the United States says confirms his guilt.

September 10, 2002 – Al Jazeera runs audiotape it says is bin Laden praising September 11 attackers as men who changed history.

February 11, 2003 – Message believed to be from bin Laden urges Muslims to fight United States and repel any war against Iraq.

September 10 – Al Jazeera airs video of bin Laden and al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri descending a mountainside calling for jihad and praising the 9/11 hijackers.

April 15, 2004 – Arab television airs bin Laden audiotape offering truce to Europeans if they withdraw troops from Muslim countries.

May 6 – Recording purportedly from bin Laden calls for jihad, or holy war, against the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq.

October 30 – Days before the U.S. presidential election, bin Laden in a video tells Americans Bush has deceived them and the United States could face more strikes like September 11.

December 27 – Bin Laden in an audiotape urges Iraqis to boycott January parliamentary elections and says anyone who takes part would be an “infidel.”

July 6, 2006 – A year after bombings in London which killed 52 people, al Qaeda issues a video with comments from Zawahri, bin Laden and one bomber.

September 7, 2007 – Bin Laden appears in his first videotape in nearly three years to mark the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks. In a message to the American people, he says the U.S. is vulnerable despite its economic and military power.

March 19, 2008 – In an audio recording, bin Laden threatens the European Union with grave punishment over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

May 16, 2008 – Bin Laden, in an audiotape addressed to “Western peoples,” calls for the fight against Israel to continue and says the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is at the heart of the Muslim battle with the West.

January 14, 2009 – Bin Laden, in an audiotape, calls for a new jihad over Gaza and says the global financial crisis has exposed the decline of U.S. influence in world affairs.

June 3, 2009 – Bin Laden says in an audio message U.S. President Barack Obama has planted the seeds of “revenge and hatred towards America” in the Muslim world.

January 24, 2010 – A bin Laden audiotape aired on Al Jazeera claims responsibility for the attempted bombing of a U.S.-bound airliner on December 25, 2009.

March 25, 2010 – In an audiotape aired on Al Jazeera, bin Laden threatens to kill any Americans taken prisoner by al Qaeda if accused September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is executed by U.S. authorities.

January 21, 2011 – In an audio recording, bin Laden says the release of French hostages in Niger depends on France’s soldiers leaving Muslim lands, Al Jazeera reports.

May 2, 2011 – Bin Laden is killed in Pakistan by U.S. forces.

May 19, 2011 – The SITE monitoring service reports that an audio tape by bin Laden is included in an Internet video lasting 12 minutes. The tape was recorded a week before his death.

In the audio, a voice which appears to be bin Laden’s, refers to the uprisings which began in Tunisia and he backed efforts to topple more leaders in the Muslim world, calling on supporters to “set up an operations room that follows up events and works in parallel … to save the people that are struggling to bring down their tyrants.”

Since you said they are fakes Do you have any evidence that proves these videos and audio tapes were not Osama or are you stating your OPINION as some kind of fact like all the rest of the conspiracy theroists do?

Opinions are great everyone has them but facts are backed up by EVIDENCE. Provided some please before you look as unreliable as your little friend Shamie. :wink:
 

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