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Broke Cowboy

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Steve said:
Were you pulled out of one hot spot and sent to probably the most dangerous area in the world for an American solider.

no I wasn't a soldier, I was on a mine hunter and transfered to a mine sweep, ..

a hunter finds the mine area.......a sweep eliminates the mine threat....
I earned my VA benifits the hard way.....

As a fancy dancy pilot who was forced into a ground job for one three year tour as part of my "professional development" - in a warm area I have to say -

I frigging LOVED that answer! Bang on buddy. :D

B.C.
 

memanpa

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And exactly what war zone were you in? Who was shooting at you every day, blowing up roadside bombs and ambushing your convey? Were you pulled out of one hot spot and sent to probably the most dangerous area in the world for an American solider. Oops, sorry, I forgot you weren't a solider! You were probably setting safe and comfortable on a ship somewhere. There is a difference.

HEY DIS wake up and smell the napalm!

there is a tough group of navy guys around that are know to be KIND OF tough! commonly call SEALS!

so DIS informed go back tour safe little cube in L.I.F.D headquarters and ask yourself a question, just do not expect to get an intelligent answer :D
here puppy
 

Happy go lucky

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Dis you have went to a new low!!! Havinf a confrentation with one that has fought for our country and saying he didn't see the "REAL" war like we have in Iraq? How dare you tell anyone what they have seen or not seen in a combative situation? You are a true liberial and just hate war, fine but don't knock anyone who has seerved this country in any capacity!!!!

I thought you supported the troops but not the war? You don't show support for a board member that served having a hard time believing you suppport anything to do with the military. Also don't forget these people who have an extended duty joined with free will to protect and serve. Things change and all employers make changes as needed. This striker brigade is being called into more duty to save lives, as they are battle tested and beats bringing in "fresh" new troops who don't have the combat action seen as the ones that are staying. I'm sure some are pissed, but that is part of being in the military and protecting and serving. There is no 9-5 in WAR!

You can bash the Bush admin as you like free country, but don't take out your hostilitys of this war on the very people who serve, that is as low as one can get, a line no one should cross. I'm betting if your old enough you probably where a vietnam protester? The very people who took out there anger on that war on the people that served in my book should leave the US and never return, NO different today Dis. So calm down and pick your battles wisely.
 

Steve

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Dis seems to only support troops that support her agenda,....

she insults sailors,....yet, ignores the fact that many have a important part of every victory.....

a very close friend, a sailor, father, Christian and stout republican, was in falluga with the Marines, and saved many of thier lives.....

I like to see her critize him the way she did to me "face to face"....

MEM:.....my take on Dis.... a sad divorced Ex wife of a true soldier......one who didn't want to sacrifice while he deployed for training,

by her writing is is clear she never served.......
 

Disagreeable

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Happy go lucky said:
Dis you have went to a new low!!! Havinf a confrentation with one that has fought for our country and saying he didn't see the "REAL" war like we have in Iraq? How dare you tell anyone what they have seen or not seen in a combative situation? You are a true liberial and just hate war, fine but don't knock anyone who has seerved this country in any capacity!!!!

Listen, anyone who compares the life of a modern US sailor to the life of a grunt (infantryman) knows there's no similarity.

I thought you supported the troops but not the war? You don't show support for a board member that served having a hard time believing you suppport anything to do with the military. Also don't forget these people who have an extended duty joined with free will to protect and serve. Things change and all employers make changes as needed. This striker brigade is being called into more duty to save lives, as they are battle tested and beats bringing in "fresh" new troops who don't have the combat action seen as the ones that are staying. I'm sure some are p****d, but that is part of being in the military and protecting and serving. There is no 9-5 in WAR!

I have nothing but disgust for this comment. "empoyers make changes as needed." If that's all the US soldier is to you, an employee, we have nothing else to discuss.

You can bash the Bush admin as you like free country, but don't take out your hostilitys of this war on the very people who serve, that is as low as one can get, a line no one should cross. I'm betting if your old enough you probably where a vietnam protester? The very people who took out there anger on that war on the people that served in my book should leave the US and never return, NO different today Dis. So calm down and pick your battles wisely.

I have said very clearly that I give Memanpa (and I'll add Steve to this) the same respect the Bush Bunch and the Republican Party has given John McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry and John Murtha's service to this country. If those two and you think those heroes (and they are heroes) who proudly served their country were/are given the respect due them for their service, then they (and you) have no basis to complain about my statment. If they think those men were not given the respect due them for their service, I'll be happy to apologize. Memanpa and Steve both come on this board continually and brag about their service. They use it as proof that their opinions should count for more than others who have not served, or at least don't brag about it. I refuse to accept that. If serving your country honorably means you have some sort of edge in decisions about war, then they should give the same respect to Murtha and Kerry. If I'm wrong, take time (without personal insults) to show me why I'm wrong.
 

Disagreeable

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Steve said:
Dis seems to only support troops that support her agenda,....

she insults sailors,....yet, ignores the fact that many have a important part of every victory.....

a very close friend, a sailor, father, Christian and stout republican, was in falluga with the Marines, and saved many of thier lives.....

I like to see her critize him the way she did to me "face to face"....

MEM:.....my take on Dis.... a sad divorced Ex wife of a true soldier......one who didn't want to sacrifice while he deployed for training,

by her writing is is clear she never served.......

Young men and women enlisting in the Navy and Air Force today may be in for a big shock when they wind up in Fallujah.

You're so sensitive, Steve. :roll: Will you, honestly, compare your life on a mine sweeper with an Infantryman's life in Iraq? Or even a wheeled mechanic's life because today those guys are escorting conveys, with or without armored humVs. HumVs, for those that don't know are basically improved Jeeps.
 

Econ101

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The whole torture policy originated in the upper levels of the political government here but were paid for by the lower level servicemen.

This to me was one of the biggest sellouts of our troops by Bush but the military compensation comes in close.

Every serviceman who serves the country is to be commended, regardless of the role. We don't pay our troops enough and our country benefits from the sacrifices our servicemen make in the name of patriotism and idealism.

The big question is: can we keep our country on the right path to make those sacrifices worthwhile?

It is the challenge of every election.
 

Happy go lucky

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Dis you want to compair John Kerrys dutys with the others fine, he was in vietnam I give him that credit, but the way he lied and it has been proven out he did so, remember changing dates and areas he was supposed to have been in? The iffy circumstances as to his purple hearts? I commend him for being in nam, after that he has alot of explaining to do why? He made his service public and used it for personal gain!!!!!! To try and win an election. I don't think any service man or woman should use there service for that reason. Walk quitely and carry a biog stick that is my motto.

As to our service men and woman, yes Dis it is a job!!!! You get paid each month to be in the military, people make careers out of the service, you answer to those of higher power, why is that hard concept to swallow? If anything a military personal should know under a time of conflict things will ebb and flow and not follow some manual or a laid out course of action as the action changes with what the enemy is doing!!!!!

Listen, anyone who compares the life of a modern US sailor to the life of a grunt (infantryman) knows there's no similarity.

Please enlighten us all on your all knowing military prowess? You have rank in the military, which you also have in the private sector Dis!!!! How many suits go out and weld a tractor? How many go on the garbage collection routes in waste mgmt? How many owners go out into 100 degree heat and do 10-12 hrs of hard labor? It is a part of life. The further you advance the more opportunitys you get. So the Navy personnal doesn't know what war is all about? give me a break. Ever hear of Navy Seals?

Dis have you ever served? YES OR NO?


I refuse to accept that. If serving your country honorably means you have some sort of edge in decisions about war, then they should give the same respect to Murtha and Kerry. If I'm wrong, take time (without personal insults) to show me why I'm wrong.

Are you for real????? Kerry came back and stabbed all his brothers in the back making claims the large majority did actions that deemed charges being brought against them!!!! War is that freaking war!!! We have had the best record when it comes to war time policy of any country ever and I mean ever!!!!!!! The charges he brought turned out not to be as wide spread as he wanted us to beleive nor, did he have all factual accounts of all the claims he made, mean while our people where being gunned down and kids hiding gernades and blowing up US soilders from close distance, I sure the hell wouldn't trust them either, if you do your odds of being back in a body bag rise quickly.

Young men and women enlisting in the Navy and Air Force today may be in for a big shock when they wind up in Fallujah.

What is your beef with the navy and air force? They serve our country well who flys f-16's,f-14's and who has the seals????? They have to know durring times of conflict they may be asked to go forward and serve!!! Since when has our military became club Med? Reason being we haven't had a major conflict with ground troops in years.

Liberials are great, they want to blame all of the probolems on the US government and polices, becuase they know they would fold like candy asses in the time we need to be strong and defiant for the betterment of our country. Blame everything on us, and let the terrorist and countrys that try and take over others as ones who shouldn't be held accountable, just the big,bad U.S. Liberials disgust me to know end and have zero backbone and would be the end to our freedoms and why of life if given major rule.
 

Steve

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You're so sensitive, Steve. Rolling Eyes Will you, honestly, compare your life on a mine sweeper with an Infantryman's life in Iraq?

No.



but in answering your question, I was forced to "brag". as you put it..I brag about my child, my wife and my life now......but as for my time in the worst place on earth.....in the worst situation it could have been....I thank GOD that even the cook, and postal clerk were diligant, and that no one lost thier life on our mission......


...your lack of service is evident by your inability to see that "all" deserve to be respected with out question......and even those I disagree with.....such as those you named......

as for Kerry, I respect his service, and looked at it critically, but could "never get past" his anti military activities after he cut his tour short.....

you often question others service.....with out regard to the fact that each persons' service is to thier country, and selfless..sacrifice. .........
 

Steve

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because today those guys are escorting conveys, with or without armored humVs. HumVs, for those that don't know are basically improved Jeeps.

the USS Adroit was built in 1954, it was like taking a Jeep with rusted floor boards, through gates of Bagdad on the opening day of the war, if your looking for a comparison...


she has no weapons,she was made of wood, and a damn fine little boat, I would sail her through the gates of hell, and did....

but enough of questioning my integrity, how about yours?
 

memanpa

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well put steve
DIS seems to think because she once spoke to an armed forces person she knows them all and what they think.
DIS seems to think that because she saw KERRY on tv once she is an expert on his war time endevors!
YES KERRY LIED to get his medals made me ashamed to accept mine maybe that is why they are in the bay in san francisco.
DIS seems to feel since she once saw a war movie she is an expert in warfare.
Dis has never felt the cold sweat that trickles down ones back as you look down the scope of a rifle as a spotter gives you range and elevation while you try to draw a bead on an enemy that is doing the same thing at you!
DIS has never prayed that your aim was true and quicker than his so one of your buddies does not die !

DIS has never puked her guts up looking at someone she killed.

DIS has not even lived a GOOD life because she is so full of hatred

may my GOD have mercy on the DIS'S of the world.
I wonder what ALLAH promises the women for sacrificing their lives, seeing as how he promises men virgins wonder what he promises women?
DIS???????? you should be able to answer that.
 

Steve

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Dis wrote:
Listen, anyone who compares the life of a modern US sailor to the life of a grunt (infantryman) knows there's no similarity.

it appears you are the one trying to compare, .......but just to show you again don't know what you are talking about......


The Combat Action Ribbon is a personal military decoration of the United States Navy and United States Marine Corps, and which is awarded to those who, in any grade including and below that of a Captain in the Navy (or Colonel in the Marine Corps), have actively participated in ground or surface combat.
The Secretary Of The Navy approved the CAR (Combat Action Ribbon) as an exception to policy for several ships that operated north Of 28.30N and west Of 49.30E from 1991-01-17 to 1991-02-28:

* USS Adroit (MSO-509),


Seems President Clinton Believed there was is a Similarity, as He signed my citation,


Wooden Ships, Iron Men
Where the Fleet Goes, a Mine Sweep has already been....
Every Ship Has A Chance To Be A Minesweeper -- Once
 

Econ101

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Wooden Ships, Iron Men
Where the Fleet Goes, a Mine Sweep has already been....
Every Ship Has A Chance To Be A Minesweeper -- Once
 

Steve

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maybe before Dis's normal spam the rancher's net forum with her biased agenda....she could now explain her service, or lack of it and why she hates the Military so much?

And I'm not laughing, she insulted me....and by implication every Sailor who ever served, then for bitterness even the Airforce......the only ones she didn't denigrate was the Coasties......

so the least she can do is answer one simple question, ....and apologise....

hiding behind and implied disrespect of other service members is cowardice...

disrespecting because others questioned those in public office is not the same......nor is an excuse...what you do to our military is a dissservice and not an any way could it be construed as "supporting our troops"...your hatred has gone to far to often......


Dis's disrespect arguement "cause others did it"......a simple answer:
two wrongs don't make a right
as a mother often said if they jumped off a bridge would you?
 

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