Toyota says Rednecks are too stupid to build cars

[SASH]

Toyota to build 100,000 vehicles per year in Woodstock, Ont., starting 2008
02:58 PM EDT Jul 05

New President of Toyota Motor Corp. Katsuaki Watanabe said that the automaker plans to build a new plant in Canada. (AP/Shizuo Kambayashi)
STEVE ERWIN



WOODSTOCK, Ont. (CP) - Ontario workers are well-trained.

That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant.

Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train - helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled workforce in Cambridge.

"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, whose members will see increased business with the new plant.

Acknowledging it was the "worst-kept secret" throughout Ontario's automotive industry, Toyota confirmed months of speculation Thursday by announcing plans to build a 1,300-worker factory in the southwestern Ontario city.

"Welcome to Woodstock - that's something I've been waiting a long time to say," Ray Tanguay, president of Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada, told hundreds gathered at a high school gymnasium.

The plant will produce the RAV-4, dubbed by some as a "mini sport-utility vehicle" that Toyota currently makes only in Japan. It plans to build 100,000 vehicles annually.

The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover research, training and infrastructure costs.

Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project.

He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.

"Most people don't think of our health-care system as being a competitive advantage," he said.

Tanguay said Toyota's decision on where to build its seventh North American plant was "not only about money."

"It's about being in the right place," he said, noting the company can rely on the expertise of experienced Cambridge workers to help get Woodstock up and running.

Premier Dalton McGuinty said the money the province and Ottawa are pledging for the project is well-spent. His government has committed $400 million, including the latest Toyota package, to the province's auto sector, which helped finance $5-billion worth of industry projects.

"I think that's a great investment that will more than pay for itself in terms of new jobs and new economic returns," McGuinty said.

The provincial funds for the auto sector were drawn from a fund set up to attract investments specifically in that industry. McGuinty said no similar industry funds are being planned for other sectors, but added the province wants to attract biotechnology companies - those working on multibillion-dollar advanced medical research.

"What we have done for auto we would like to be able to do for biotech," he said. "That's where we're lending some real focus to at the present time."

Similarly, Emmerson said Ottawa is looking to help out industries that create "clusters" of jobs around them - such as in aerospace, shipbuilding, telecommunications and forestry - where supply bases build around a large manufacturer.

 

[Brad S]

Ok Sash, you're ok with the biggoted perjortive "redneck" How about lieing canadian pu$$y. First, the article doesn't say what you said it does, and if you are intelligent enough to say something besides eh all the time you'd realize that the Canada's third world health care delivery system was the DEALMAKER.

Now that really isn't news; another Canadian making up $hit to anklebite Americans.

 

[Mike]

Toyota Expanding Alabama Engine Plant

Like Honda, Nissan and other Japanese automotive deals done in the South over the years, Toyota has announced it is expanding its Huntsville, Ala. engine plant just after the paint has dried on its new facility. The expansion will add over 400,000 square feet to the existing plant, which just recently opened. Toyota will invest $20 million in the deal and add 150 workers. In the spring quarter the massive Japanese automaker announced another engine plant in Jackson, Tenn. If history repeats itself, expect that facility to expand right after it opens two years from now.

Supplier Opening Plant

A Canadian automotive supplier announced in early August it is opening a $25 million, 150-employee operation in Huntsville, Ala. Toronto-based Matsu, Inc., is adding 40,000 square feet to an existing 80,000-square-foot building located in the Lowe Industrial Park. The company manufactures metal stamping and welded assemblies and will serve several OEMs in the Southeast. Matsu officials said they looked at other sites in Georgia, Tennessee and Mississippi before picking Huntsville. Production at the new plant will begin in the summer of 2004.

Mercedes Supplier Lands in Tuscaloosa

Another Mercedes-Benz supplier is coming to Alabama. Eberspaecher NA, a builder of exhaust systems, announced it is building a new facility in Tuscaloosa County. The new plant will employ 60 workers.

 

[Silver]

Ok Sash, you're ok with the biggoted perjortive "redneck" How about lieing canadian p***y. First, the article doesn't say what you said it does, and if you are intelligent enough to say something besides eh all the time you'd realize that the Canada's third world health care delivery system was the DEALMAKER.

Now that really isn't news; another Canadian making up s*** to anklebite Americans.

hey little fella, yer bein' a weiner.

 

[Cowpuncher]

We Americans may be stupid, but...

Remember the battle of Midway

Remember the battle for Iwo Jima

Remember the battle of Tarawa

Remember the battle of Okinawa

Remember the battle of Leyte Gulf

and a few.

Of course the Japanese don't remember these battles because we killed the whole damn bunch of them.

And of course, we were too stupid to develop the atom bomb and end the war they started.

Calling Americans stupid isn't going to win you a lot of friends where I am.

 

[Brad S]

Cowpuncher, THere are some Canadians on here that mostly post to insult Americans. One of them uses a biggoted term like redneck and I call him on it so his sophisticated brother in calls me a weiner. YAWN There are Canadians, that post here, that are as ranch savy as anyone anywhere, and we Americans have clowns as clueless as Sash and Silver.

 

[Silver]

Cowpuncher, THere are some Canadians on here that mostly post to insult Americans. One of them uses a biggoted term like redneck and I call him on it so his sophisticated brother in calls me a weiner. YAWN There are Canadians, that post here, that are as ranch savy as anyone anywhere, and we Americans have clowns as clueless as Sash and Silver.

There you go again, little guy, spouting about which you know nothing. I told you a long time ago I like americans just fine, I just don't like you.
My family had lot's of land in the states, pensioned to them in 1865. Can you think of why? Doubt it. My roots run about as deep south of the 49th as above it. Because I am proud of where I am and have no wish to be anywhere else is none of your concern. Its idiots / ankle biters like yourself that make me especially happy to be where I am.

 

[Brad S]

Woa there half wit, this thread is still about Canadian anklebiters using biggoted perjoritives to describe Americans. I couldn't care less anything about you. You lie when you say you like Americans or you wouldn't insult Americans that object to biggoted antiAmerican referances.

By the way Einstein, you misuse the word anklebiter, anklebiter perfectly describes the powerless carpings of a third world country. Now the US can't be anklebiters and the only world super power tyrant so you Canadians need to say eh for awhile and unify your criticism.

 

[Silver]

Well, little fella, aren't you a little ray of sunshine. I'm quite glad you don't like me, you are exactly what I'm raising my children NOT to be.
I feel I have every right to on occasion get up on a soapbox and say how I feel about any political situation in my country or anywhere else in the world. My friends and countrymen have died for that privelege and I'm proud to take advantage of it. It happens I agree with lots of things the US does, and I disagree with some also. Same goes here in my country. That's life, get over it.
The term anklebiter works quite fine for you Brad, because that's what you are. I'm not labeling Americans in general, just you. If you take a look around you will see lots of great people in these forums from both sides of the border. I can guarantee not all of them agree with everything that either one of us has to say. So don't go assuming that because someone from out of country disagrees with you or one of your countries policies that they are antiamerican.
Have a great day little fella....

 

[SASH]

Brad S. wrote: First, the article doesn't say what you said it does,

He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

Really? How do you interpret the above two paragraphs? Or do I need to draw you a picture? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Brad S]

Sash,

How 'bout Texas, Tenn, Ky & NC. While you are picture drawing, you'll see these in the south.

GM's average health care costs per car is about $1600. There's your explaination.

 

[Brad S]

Silver, "Well, little fella, aren't you a little ray of sunshine. I'm quite glad you don't like me, you are exactly what I'm raising my children NOT to be."

Never said anything about my like or dislike for you - I merely see overwhelming evidence that you are stupid. My entry in this thread is to object to biggotry - way to go Skippy, teach your children not to stand against biggotry.


S, "I feel I have every right to on occasion get up on a soapbox and say how I feel about any political situation in my country or anywhere else in the world. My friends and countrymen have died for that privelege and I'm proud to take advantage of it. It happens I agree with lots of things the US does, and I disagree with some also. Same goes here in my country. That's life, get over it."

Nontopical, this thread is about "REDNECKS" but you are on the wrong side of the issaue, hence the diversion.


S, "The term anklebiter works quite fine for you Brad, because that's what you are. I'm not labeling Americans in general, just you. If you take a look around you will see lots of great people in these forums from both sides of the border. I can guarantee not all of them agree with everything that either one of us has to say. So don't go assuming that because someone from out of country disagrees with you or one of your countries policies that they are antiamerican.
Have a great day little fella....
"

Well, since I made an effort, your ignorance is your fault. Trust me, I need not well wishing from someone that supports biggoted antiAmerican perjortives. Furthermore, is calling someone little some supreme insult at the curling megaplex?

 

[Silver]

Well, little fella, I weary of your nonsensical unintelligent prattlings. If you actually had something to say I might listen, but you need to grow up a bit before there's a chance of that.
Your dismissed. :wink:

 

[Disagreeable]

Just think of what the billions of dollars squandered in Iraq could have bought for the US: better schools, healthcare for the elderly, better roads, the infastructure in major cities is falling apart, research into terminal diseases, shore up Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Even better security: more Border Patrol officers, real inspection of cargo being unloaded in our ports. But, no, the Bush Bunch was arrogrant enough to ignore the warnings of professional soldiers and attack Iraq with too few troops and now we have a quagmire. A costly, expensive quagmire.

 

[SASH]

Just think of what the billions of dollars squandered in Iraq could have bought for the US: better schools, healthcare for the elderly, better roads, the infastructure in major cities is falling apart, research into terminal diseases, shore up Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Even better security: more Border Patrol officers, real inspection of cargo being unloaded in our ports. But, no, the Bush Bunch was arrogrant enough to ignore the warnings of professional soldiers and attack Iraq with too few troops and now we have a quagmire. A costly, expensive quagmire.

I guarantee you that if the US wasn't fighting the war in Iraq that they would be fighting it in America. How many 911's does it take for you socialists to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps you would rather the US live in constant fear like a bunch of rabbits running for cover instead of going out and exterminating the predators that these Muslims have become. What are you, a man or a mouse?

 

[Disagreeable]

Just think of what the billions of dollars squandered in Iraq could have bought for the US: better schools, healthcare for the elderly, better roads, the infastructure in major cities is falling apart, research into terminal diseases, shore up Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Even better security: more Border Patrol officers, real inspection of cargo being unloaded in our ports. But, no, the Bush Bunch was arrogrant enough to ignore the warnings of professional soldiers and attack Iraq with too few troops and now we have a quagmire. A costly, expensive quagmire.

I guarantee you that if the US wasn't fighting the war in Iraq that they would be fighting it in America. How many 911's does it take for you socialists to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps you would rather the US live in constant fear like a bunch of rabbits running for cover instead of going out and exterminating the predators that these Muslims have become. What are you, a man or a mouse?

That's hot air. You can't guarantee any such thing. Terrorism experts say the US is more likely to be hit with another terrorist attack SINCE the invasion of Iraq. There are more terrorist training camps in Iraq SINCE the Bush invasion than before the invasion. If you think this unjustified invasion of a Muslim country will stop terrorist, you're wrong. For years, one of Osama Bin Laden's main recruiting points was that the US would someday invade and conquer a Muslim nation and take their oil. George W. Bush made a prophet out of Osama and now the radical Muslim groups are turning away young men willing to blow themselves up for their cause. You don't win those kinds of wars with bullets and soldiers. Israel is proof of that.

 

[SASH]

Just think of what the billions of dollars squandered in Iraq could have bought for the US: better schools, healthcare for the elderly, better roads, the infastructure in major cities is falling apart, research into terminal diseases, shore up Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Even better security: more Border Patrol officers, real inspection of cargo being unloaded in our ports. But, no, the Bush Bunch was arrogrant enough to ignore the warnings of professional soldiers and attack Iraq with too few troops and now we have a quagmire. A costly, expensive quagmire.

I guarantee you that if the US wasn't fighting the war in Iraq that they would be fighting it in America. How many 911's does it take for you socialists to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps you would rather the US live in constant fear like a bunch of rabbits running for cover instead of going out and exterminating the predators that these Muslims have become. What are you, a man or a mouse?

That's hot air. You can't guarantee any such thing. Terrorism experts say the US is more likely to be hit with another terrorist attack SINCE the invasion of Iraq. There are more terrorist training camps in Iraq SINCE the Bush invasion than before the invasion. If you think this unjustified invasion of a Muslim country will stop terrorist, you're wrong. For years, one of Osama Bin Laden's main recruiting points was that the US would someday invade and conquer a Muslim nation and take their oil. George W. Bush made a prophet out of Osama and now the radical Muslim groups are turning away young men willing to blow themselves up for their cause. You don't win those kinds of wars with bullets and soldiers. Israel is proof of that.

The US has done a good job of picking a battle ground far away from the homeland. I think they are drawing out the enemy on a battlefield of the US choosing and eventually they will eliminate the threat. Like any disease, it will be wiped out over time. There may be a few left here and there, but I think that eventually the world will be a better place for it. Funny, how you socialists can never see beyond the here and now.

 

[Disagreeable]

The US has done a good job of picking a battle ground far away from the homeland. I think they are drawing out the enemy on a battlefield of the US choosing and eventually they will eliminate the threat. Like any disease, it will be wiped out over time. There may be a few left here and there, but I think that eventually the world will be a better place for it. Funny, how you socialists can never see beyond the here and now.

More hot air. There are people in this country already willing to blow themselves up for their religion, and not just Muslims. And hundreds of people come across our southern borders every day and night. Most of them are Mexicans looking for work, but what's to stop a terrorist from joining the crowd? Bush has done almost nothing about stopping the influx of illegals from Mexico. Just recently the Border Patrol did get more funding, but considering they were severly underfunded for years, I doubt it's enough.

We're not fighting a disease, we're fighting an idea. You don't defeat ideas with guns. You defeat them with better ideas or acknowledgement that everyone has the right to their ideas.

It's wonderful for you that you think the world will be a better place because 1,700 Americans have died fighting an unnecessary war.

Funny that you far right kooks don't bother to read history.

 

[SASH]

The US has done a good job of picking a battle ground far away from the homeland. I think they are drawing out the enemy on a battlefield of the US choosing and eventually they will eliminate the threat. Like any disease, it will be wiped out over time. There may be a few left here and there, but I think that eventually the world will be a better place for it. Funny, how you socialists can never see beyond the here and now.

More hot air. There are people in this country already willing to blow themselves up for their religion, and not just Muslims. And hundreds of people come across our southern borders every day and night. Most of them are Mexicans looking for work, but what's to stop a terrorist from joining the crowd? Bush has done almost nothing about stopping the influx of illegals from Mexico. Just recently the Border Patrol did get more funding, but considering they were severly underfunded for years, I doubt it's enough.

We're not fighting a disease, we're fighting an idea. You don't defeat ideas with guns. You defeat them with better ideas or acknowledgement that everyone has the right to their ideas.

It's wonderful for you that you think the world will be a better place because 1,700 Americans have died fighting an unnecessary war.

Funny that you far right kooks don't bother to read history.

What sort of history are you talking about? How many died trying to bring down Hitler? From what you are saying, you think that you should have just held your neutral stance even after Pearl Harbor was attacked. Then we all could be Spakin de Deutsche instead of English and making sure that we killed all the non-Aryans. Is this what you are advocating?

 

[Disagreeable]

The US has done a good job of picking a battle ground far away from the homeland. I think they are drawing out the enemy on a battlefield of the US choosing and eventually they will eliminate the threat. Like any disease, it will be wiped out over time. There may be a few left here and there, but I think that eventually the world will be a better place for it. Funny, how you socialists can never see beyond the here and now.

More hot air. There are people in this country already willing to blow themselves up for their religion, and not just Muslims. And hundreds of people come across our southern borders every day and night. Most of them are Mexicans looking for work, but what's to stop a terrorist from joining the crowd? Bush has done almost nothing about stopping the influx of illegals from Mexico. Just recently the Border Patrol did get more funding, but considering they were severly underfunded for years, I doubt it's enough.

We're not fighting a disease, we're fighting an idea. You don't defeat ideas with guns. You defeat them with better ideas or acknowledgement that everyone has the right to their ideas.

It's wonderful for you that you think the world will be a better place because 1,700 Americans have died fighting an unnecessary war.

Funny that you far right kooks don't bother to read history.

What sort of history are you talking about? How many died trying to bring down Hitler? From what you are saying, you think that you should have just held your neutral stance even after Pearl Harbor was attacked. Then we all could be Spakin de Deutsche instead of English and making sure that we killed all the non-Aryans. Is this what you are advocating?

You're trying to change the subject again. I'll put this in big, bold letters so you can understand it: IRAQ DID NOT INVADE NOR ATTACK THE US. GEORGE W. BUSH LIED WHEN HE CLAIMED TO HAVE PROOF THAT SADDAM HAD WMDs. Comparing Saddam to Hitler is an attempt to change the subject. Not that it has any bearing on this discussion, but the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. They were axis partners with Germany, thus the US rightly declared war on all members of the axis group.